Rumor: ALL PURPOSE JT MILLER THREAD PT2 - It's Been 84 Years....

[elitepete]

The dude that said Miller is worth a mid to late first and a b prospect gave me a chuckle.

Funniest part is he said “based on precedent”.

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

Why are you evaluating the team as if it's next year's trade deadline already?

Our roster composition, which is indeed winger heavy, is utterly meaningless in July.

Let them build the team they're building before throwing out a global opinion on the job they are doing.

Last years trade deadline, The Draft, Free agency are the three major deadlines I was referring to in the last 7 months.

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

Christ dude. It's going to take years to undo the shit show Benning left, not months.

You would fire a GM after 6 months on the job. You know how ridiculous that sounds don't you?

I said when their contracts are up. To me, their “patience” has led them to over the cap spending by $2.7 and losing all leverage on the players they are wanting to move. Instead of value given up they will want additional assets or just offer lower proposals for our players. I was optimistic towards losing a Myers or Pearson to create cap space, no chance of that now that we’ve put ourselves over the cap. I think for me, it started by resigning Boeser, he should have been the first one gone to create cap space and assets in order to add flexibility. I was very excited when the team said they wanted to go for speed and skill (emphasized speed a ton) while getting younger.

 

[I Hart Conor Garland]

I said when their contracts are up. To me, their “patience” has led them to over the cap spending by $2.7 and losing all leverage on the players they are wanting to move. Instead of value given up they will want additional assets or just offer lower proposals for our players. I was optimistic towards losing a Myers or Pearson to create cap space, no chance of that now that we’ve put ourselves over the cap. I think for me, it started by resigning Boeser, he should have been the first one gone to create cap space and assets in order to add flexibility. I was very excited when the team said they wanted to go for speed and skill (emphasized speed a ton) while getting younger.

I am with you in wanting Boeser to be traded at that cap hit

 

[buffalowing88]

I am with you in wanting Boeser to be traded at that cap hit

I really like Boeser but if you guys can unload him then it's a good move by the FO, no matter what knocks they take. He's demonstrated exactly what he will be, and that is a stong second line player for a team who will give you guys a first round pick.

He's gross at any cap hit that exceeds $5.5 per as he doesn't have some majestic intangible.

 

[I Hart Conor Garland]

I really like Boeser but if you guys can unload him then it's a good move by the FO, no matter what knocks they take. He's demonstrated exactly what he will be, and that is a stong second line player for a team who will give you guys a first round pick.

He's gross at any cap hit that exceeds $5.5 per as he doesn't have some majestic intangible.

I feel the same way about raising Horvat above his current 5.5.

 

[Bobby9]

You’ll find out what Miller is worth when:

A) He is traded
B) He is signed

Until then the endless arguments predicting his value are a complete waste of everybody’s time.

 

[CpatainCanuck]

You’ll find out what Miller is worth when:

A) He is traded
B) He is signed

Until then the endless arguments predicting his value are a complete waste of everybody’s time.

By your logic everything discussed on HFboards is a complete waste of everybody's time: we should just watch the games and observe who wins the Stanley Cup every year.

What are you doing on here?

 

[Gstank]

2k posts later and nothing has been solved lol.

Im curious to see what Miller gets via a trade or a contract renewel

 

[wintersej]

I don't think most Canucks fans are claiming he is a 100 point player. He's pretty safely an 85 point player though and not a lot of those available.
We will see if it is poor decision making rejecting underwhelming offers when the trade is made or he re-signs.

Do you think the Canucks would trade him at the TDL? They seem to be a playoff cusp kind of team.

You’ll find out what Miller is worth when:

A) He is traded
B) He is signed

Until then the endless arguments predicting his value are a complete waste of everybody’s time.

If he isn’t dealt soon, there is an option C that bears mentioning.

Going into the season with him. Being at or near a playoff position. And him walking for nothing

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Do you think the Canucks would trade him at the TDL? They seem to be a playoff cusp kind of team.

I’d be really worried about that tbh if he’s still not signed/traded by the time the season started. I don’t think it will take much to be in the playoff hunt in the West and there’s a risk they lose him for nothing.

 

[rypper]

I fully expect him to be moved before the season. A couple more dominos will fall and it'll happen.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Do you think the Canucks would trade him at the TDL? They seem to be a playoff cusp kind of team.



If he isn’t dealt soon, there is an option C that bears mentioning.

Going into the season with him. Being at or near a playoff position. And him walking for nothing

I think(hope) the talk of keeping him until the deadline is just that, talk. We’ll see what happens when Kadri makes his decision, could have a lot of bearing on what happens with Miller.

 

[I Hart Conor Garland]

Do you think the Canucks would trade him at the TDL? They seem to be a playoff cusp kind of team.



If he isn’t dealt soon, there is an option C that bears mentioning.

Going into the season with him. Being at or near a playoff position. And him walking for nothing

I would take this over getting a bad return and over signing him long term to a bad deal.

 

[Canuck86]

If JT walks next July and the Canucks get nothing for him they should fire the management regime they put in place. Rutherford has said if a player is unsigned at the trade deadline then they will move the player. They did it with Motte, which is not anything close to JT Miller but they weren't willing to meet TM salary ask so they dealt him for a pick that will likely never make the NHL.

 

[Alluckks]

I see it is now New Jersey's turn to play this fun game

 

[StickShift]

If JT walks next July and the Canucks get nothing for him they should fire the management regime they put in place. Rutherford has said if a player is unsigned at the trade deadline then they will move the player. They did it with Motte, which is not anything close to JT Miller but they weren't willing to meet TM salary ask so they dealt him for a pick that will likely never make the NHL.

Letting JT Miller walk is almost certainly the better outcome for the Canucks than signing him to a long term contract.

 

[604]

If JT walks next July and the Canucks get nothing for him they should fire the management regime they put in place. Rutherford has said if a player is unsigned at the trade deadline then they will move the player. They did it with Motte, which is not anything close to JT Miller but they weren't willing to meet TM salary ask so they dealt him for a pick that will likely never make the NHL.

What if they win the Cup in that time? Still fire him?

 

[Canuck86]

Letting JT Miller walk is almost certainly the better outcome for the Canucks than signing him to a long term contract.

No, they trade him if he is unsigned. If he walks after a 1st or 2nd round playoff exit because we kept him many canuck fans will think this is the owner wanting playoff revenue. But that was when we had the yes man Jim Benning in charge.

Rutherford has state JT would be dealt at the deadline if no extension was in place. Now, Rutherford is NOT the GM but I am sure he has lots of input on the decisions GM Allvin will be making. JR has years of experience, let's hope he can help the team out. Otherwise, we are just spinning our wheels like a NON playoff team like Buffalo or Arizona. Always getting high picks and seem to never get it right

 

[me2]

What if they win the Cup in that time? Still fire him?

Absolutely. That goes against everything Canucks.

 

[Canadian Canuck]

Letting JT Miller walk is almost certainly the better outcome for the Canucks than signing him to a long term contract.

This 110%. Amazing player, just doesn’t fit with our core.

 

[ColbyChaos]

By your logic everything discussed on HFboards is a complete waste of everybody's time: we should just watch the games and observe who wins the Stanley Cup every year.

What are you doing on here?

I mean it is…

What do people get out of making mock trade proposals? Is the owner secretly sending users money for making a great fake proposal instead of upgrading the servers??

 

[Peter Griffin]

I mean it is…

What do people get out of making mock trade proposals? Is the owner secretly sending users money for making a great fake proposal instead of upgrading the servers??

I remember back in the day Sens fans and Canucks fans pretty much all collectively called the Sami Salo for Peter Schaefer trade well before it actually took place. The owners took us all out for ice cream.

 

[Cogburn]

I would be cool with this trade, but the pick would have to be top 10 protected. Obviously, Jarmo would need to have some sort of agreement with JT on extension. Columbus doesn’t need a one year rental

I like the sound of Peeke, but a protected first can't be the sole add on. Is there a different addition, or combination of additions, that could be added with that top ten protected pick? The value drops off if there is no chance of it being top ten.

 

[AHLdepth]

I would be cool with this trade, but the pick would have to be top 10 protected. Obviously, Jarmo would need to have some sort of agreement with JT on extension. Columbus doesn’t need a one year rental

I like the sound of Peeke, but a protected first can't be the sole add on. Is there a different addition, or combination of additions, that could be added with that top ten protected pick? The value drops off if there is no chance of it being top ten.

Any chance Kirill Marchenko could be a piece? Played with Podkolzin (same line even)