Rumor: ALL PURPOSE JT MILLER THREAD PT2 - It's Been 84 Years....

[Canuck86]

I’m ready for the next management team in Vancouver already

Right because a manager who makes quick decisions and tries to improve the team worked out so well with the last regime.

Man, learn some patients...there is NO easy way to fix the Canucks when the new regime took over. Them taking their time is better than making a trade they will regret just for the sake of making a trade to appease IMPATIENT fans...

Extended Miller is worth more as well. At the moment, he's a rental. Miller as a rental > Severson as a rental.

JT at the moment is not a rental, the season is 3 months away and the TDL is like what 8 months. Is Horvat a rental, is MacKinnon a rental...the list goes on. Sometimes we just have to have some patients and see how things unfold

 

[Canuck86]

I could see Columbus being a better fit for Miller. They've got Johnson and Sillinger that may fill out the middle in a few years, but you've got to imagine they'd want a bonafide 1st line center to play with Gaudreau for a few years. I could see the Canucks retaining on the remainder of Miller's contract for the right price as well.

Columbus has to decide what they are going to do with Laine first I think. But if they did get JT a first line of Gaudreau JT Miller Laine should put up a lot of points you would think!

 

[Bettman Returnz]

Vancouver treating severson like he'd just be a throw in to the deal lol

We are not…. I am a Canucks fan and wouldn’t object to severson. So please don’t categorize us all in that statement. I am also not one who thinks we will get Mercer either.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Isn’t Severson 27? That’s not close to being old, especially for a D. That’s in his prime, no? Likely he’s got 5-7 years of similar play to how he is now.

He’s 28 in three weeks.
I’d prefer to target someone in the 22-25 year range that can grow with the young core.

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

Right because a manager who makes quick decisions and tries to improve the team worked out so well with the last regime.

Man, learn some patients...there is NO easy way to fix the Canucks when the new regime took over. Them taking their time is better than making a trade they will regret just for the sake of making a trade to appease IMPATIENT fans...

What are you even talking about? They have now had last trade deadline, the draft and free agency to improve the roster (defence in particular) That is 3 major deadlines and they have decided to add more wingers and waste cap space to a team that was already pretty set on the wings. They added $7-$8 million in forwards this off season and $0 to the defence, all while saying they are strapped for cap space and fixing the defence was their biggest priority . If you don’t see any issues with that then I don’t know what to say. 7 months has been patient so far!

 

[Cupless44]

You saying JT would not be worth a 1st round pick at the TDL, the same JT Miller that has been a PPG player since joining the Canucks and finished last season with 99pts...Come on man! Ben Chiarot got a 1st plus this past tdl as did Giroux and Lindholm...

If JT Miller is offered at the trade deadline, he will be the best rental available at the deadline in quite a few years.

A top 10 scorer this year, 220 lbs plays with an edge perfect for playoffs, can play center or wing, plays PP and PK.

What more does a contender want as the final piece?

A first and prospect is a given.

I'm not trading Holtz for one year of Miller. Lucky for me no GM would either.

Holtz wouldnt be the ask from Vancouver anyways. Canucks just drafted a very similar player in the first round.

 

[Cquant]

I think there are two scenarios for Miller:
- Either he is traded to a team who wants to go for it, since his cap hit for next year is basically that of a 3rd liner. Getting top line value in a world where the cap has been stagnant is an opportunity you don't get every year. We're looking at 3 good pieces. But no one wants to overpay. It is what it is though.
- He is traded to an up and coming team and extended in which case he is your standard 1st line piece trade. I see 2 good pieces coming back.

That or Vancouver pays the price of not trading Miller to go on a cup run next year.

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

I’m betting Vancouver screws this up and loses him for nothing. If he starts the season on the team they just lost him as a UFA for nothing. The shitty part is at this point, all the other teams know this and the offers are not there. Last trade deadline they clearly had a plan and Miller’s age did not fit in with what they were saying! That was the time to go! Now they have missed 3 major deadlines and teams have used their cap space to fill out their rosters. They basically went from a possible 10 teams to maybe 1 or 2. They went all in on a pair of deuces and got called on their bluff. Unacceptable!

 

[Canuck86]

If JT Miller is offered at the trade deadline, he will be the best rental available at the deadline in quite a few years.

He will be up there for sure, but teams will also want to get P.Kane a 3 time cup winner. Yes Kane has twice the cap hit but Chicago will retain to get max value

I’m betting Vancouver screws this up and loses him for nothing. If he starts the season on the team they just lost him as a UFA for nothing. The shitty part is at this point, all the other teams know this and the offers are not there. Last trade deadline they clearly had a plan and Miller’s age did not fit in with what they were saying! That was the time to go! Now they have missed 3 major deadlines and teams have used their cap space to fill out their rosters. They basically went from a possible 10 teams to maybe 1 or 2. They went all in on a pair of deuces and got called on their bluff. Unacceptable!

I think you should become a Seattle fan or something. Sure have nothing but bad things to say about the Canucks it seems...

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Lol Holtz isn't being traded unless it's a sign and trade for Miller. Even then, I wouldn't do it. That's an absolutely brutal idea without an extension. I rather see what Calgary says with that package for Tkachuk instead even though the money is probably tough with the Palat signing + Marino trade + still having sign the RFA's we have.

 

[Bondra slapshot]

The scary dilemma here is that if Miller underperforms, then that most likely means the Canucks aren't in any playoff race and will try to unload him but, since he underperformed in this scenario, he's going to return even less than what was already overestimated.

If Miller continues to be the "100 point player" that people are claiming he is, then that most likely means the Canucks are in the playoff race and most likely, will not trade him (very rare in professional sports for franchises to do this).

On top of that, he's a pure rental now and those comments from Canucks' GM yesterday basically said that if he hasn't traded him come TDL, he's just going to take whatever the best deal is. Already surrendering to the reality of how selling teams are ultimately at the mercy of the market and buyers. Canucks will need to trade Miller more than any team needs to trade for him. That's the natural dynamic of this scenario.

Really bad position for the Canucks' GM regarding Miller and returning value at this point. Poor decision making since the start.

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

He will be up there for sure, but teams will also want to get P.Kane a 3 time cup winner. Yes Kane has twice the cap hit but Chicago will retain to get max value


I think you should become a Seattle fan or something. Sure have nothing but bad things to say about the Canucks it seems...

Look at my avatar and username, I’m sick of having a middling team since 1970 except
for maybe a 3 year window leading up to the 2011 Stanly Cup finals. I’m tired of seeing expansion teams pass us and win Cups while we can’t even make the playoffs. This is looking like a 9 year window now where we will be lucky to be a 8 seed or wildcard.

 

[Canuck86]

Really bad position for the Canucks' GM regarding Miller and returning value at this point. Poor decision making since the start.

How so, by NOT just trading JT for the sake of making a trade? Come on now, JT has been over a PPG since joining the Canucks. If the Canucks were already a playoff team and were in a solid playoff spot come deadline they "might" risk keeping JT as a self rental.

But in reality, the Canucks are NOT a playoff team recently and even if they were come TDL... if JT has NOT signed an extension to remain a Canuck management MUST trade JT regardless of what fans think of the Canucks owner meddling with decisions.

Canucks can NOT let JT walk for free next July, do they risk it by not moving him during the off season or over the next 3 months before the season starts...YES they do. JT has been relatively healthy but all it takes is for an injury to happen in or around the TDL that would ruin the chance to trade him.

If GM Allvin lets JT walk for free and did NOT trade JT at the tdl and JT WAS healthy...then I would agree that is a "Poor Decision" Cause we all know the Canucks aren't going on some fairy tale run to win the Stanley Cup in 2023...only happen in NHL 23 in video game land!

 

[EverTheCynic]

The scary dilemma here is that if Miller underperforms, then that most likely means the Canucks aren't in any playoff race and will try to unload him but, since he underperformed in this scenario, he's going to return even less than what was already overestimated.

If Miller continues to be the "100 point player" that people are claiming he is, then that most likely means the Canucks are in the playoff race and most likely, will not trade him (very rare in professional sports for franchises to do this).

On top of that, he's a pure rental now and those comments from Canucks' GM yesterday basically said that if he hasn't traded him come TDL, he's just going to take whatever the best deal is. Already surrendering to the reality of how selling teams are ultimately at the mercy of the market and buyers. Canucks will need to trade Miller more than any team needs to trade for him. That's the natural dynamic of this scenario.

Really bad position for the Canucks' GM regarding Miller and returning value at this point. Poor decision making since the start.

Miller underperforming is not a concern. Miller getting injured is a huge concern though.

 

[Canuck86]

Look at my avatar and username, I’m sick of having a middling team since 1970 except
for maybe a 3 year window leading up to the 2011 Stanly Cup finals. I’m tired of seeing expansion teams pass us and win Cups while we can’t even make the playoffs. This is looking like a 9 year window now where we will be lucky to be a 8 seed or wildcard.

Oh I know, Bure was my favourite have his jersey signed and frame at home. Canucks had Sedin softness when a young small rookie could do whatever he wanted and no Canuck did squat about it.

The last regime made so many mistakes its not even funny, but it is hard to be that judgmental on the NEW regime after less than a year on the job...don't you think?

Benning is to blame AND so is the Canucks owner...now he opens his wallet to bring in an experienced President who masively increases the management team among other areas.

We also had back to back rookie NHL coaches, both of which have NOT been back behind an NHL bench since being fired. If that doesn't show people how bad of a coach they must be than I don't know what else does.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

The scary dilemma here is that if Miller underperforms, then that most likely means the Canucks aren't in any playoff race and will try to unload him but, since he underperformed in this scenario, he's going to return even less than what was already overestimated.

If Miller continues to be the "100 point player" that people are claiming he is, then that most likely means the Canucks are in the playoff race and most likely, will not trade him (very rare in professional sports for franchises to do this).

On top of that, he's a pure rental now and those comments from Canucks' GM yesterday basically said that if he hasn't traded him come TDL, he's just going to take whatever the best deal is. Already surrendering to the reality of how selling teams are ultimately at the mercy of the market and buyers. Canucks will need to trade Miller more than any team needs to trade for him. That's the natural dynamic of this scenario.

Really bad position for the Canucks' GM regarding Miller and returning value at this point. Poor decision making since the start.

I don't think most Canucks fans are claiming he is a 100 point player. He's pretty safely an 85 point player though and not a lot of those available.
We will see if it is poor decision making rejecting underwhelming offers when the trade is made or he re-signs.

 

[Canuck86]

Miller underperforming is not a concern. Miller getting injured is a huge concern though.

Agreed, it would be less an ideal to have JT on the opening day roster if he is NOT extended for the fact that he could get injured at any point leading up to the TDL. I don't think that would be the smartest decision but at the same time you can't just settle for a lesser return either.

Also, the Kadri domino hasn't fallen yet. Once Kadri signs maybe things might pick up trade wise regarding JT Miller

 

[EP to EP back to EP]

He will be up there for sure, but teams will also want to get P.Kane a 3 time cup winner. Yes Kane has twice the cap hit but Chicago will retain to get max value


I think you should become a Seattle fan or something. Sure have nothing but bad things to say about the Canucks it seems...

P.Kane has a full NMC and I would wager gives 1-3 teams he would waive to in order to get another cup.
There will be 16 playoff teams that can acquire Miller and a few other bubble teams that would look at him to get them into the playoffs. 1 round is often enough to get a GM to keep his job. Which is the #1 important thing to them.

The scary dilemma here is that if Miller underperforms, then that most likely means the Canucks aren't in any playoff race and will try to unload him but, since he underperformed in this scenario, he's going to return even less than what was already overestimated.

If Miller continues to be the "100 point player" that people are claiming he is, then that most likely means the Canucks are in the playoff race and most likely, will not trade him (very rare in professional sports for franchises to do this).

On top of that, he's a pure rental now and those comments from Canucks' GM yesterday basically said that if he hasn't traded him come TDL, he's just going to take whatever the best deal is. Already surrendering to the reality of how selling teams are ultimately at the mercy of the market and buyers. Canucks will need to trade Miller more than any team needs to trade for him. That's the natural dynamic of this scenario.

Really bad position for the Canucks' GM regarding Miller and returning value at this point. Poor decision making since the start.

JR has basically stated that if he is not resigned, they will trade him by the TDL regardless if standings. He doesn't see us as a cup team yet and won't lose him for nothing

 

[Canuck86]

P.Kane has a full NMC and I would wager gives 1-3 teams he would waive to in order to get another cup.
There will be 16 playoff teams that can acquire Miller and a few other bubble teams that would look at him to get them into the playoffs. 1 round is often enough to get a GM to keep his job. Which is the #1 important thing to them.


JR has basically stated that if he is not resigned, they will trade him by the TDL regardless if standings. He doesn't see us as a cup team yet and won't lose him for nothing

I know, also everyone needs to remember the canucks GM name is Allvin...does he talk with JR of course but Allvin is doing all the dirty work along with his management staff when it comes to players/prospects/draft picks they might be able to get as a return for JT Miller.

Meanwhile, Rutherford is kickin back with his feet up waiting for a phone call to hear what the managerial team has come up with. Then, as many allude to he will go back to having a nap

 

[Bankerguy]

People who say "well he only did it once" need to lay off the crack pipe.
Its not like he scored 99 points in 2016. he did it LAST YEAR.

Even if you take his 3 year trailing average, essentially his entire tenure as a Canuck, he's at 1.07 ppg which is a 88 point pace.

so, i'd be comfortable saying he's CONSERVATIVELY an 88 point player...

BUT... non-canuck fans see him as a 50 point tweener on HF and thus peg his value at 2nd nd pick + 3liner
this is so typical HF and this is why Reddit/Hockey is killing this forumn

 

[severian]

I like the NJD fans offer of Severson, Holtz, Boqvist for Miller.

Puff puff give

 

[tyhee]

Miller underperforming is not a concern. Miller getting injured is a huge concern though.

I guess it depends on what you mean by underperforming.

I'm a Canuck fan, but think it is quite realistic to be concerned that a 29 year old won't continue to produce at his career-best from the season before when that was so much better than his career norms. Production at his career average, or even the average from his last six seasons, may not be considered underperforming but would be enough to decrease his value.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

I’m ready for the next management team in Vancouver already. Good thing JR only has this year coming up and the year after under contract. Allvin will get the boot as well because I don’t see our ownership with as much patience as in the past. These guys have literally missed the boat on everything since last trade deadline and signed a bunch of wingers to a team stacked with wingers.

Pittsburgh was on to something giving them the boot and you can see they know how to talk the talk but not walk the walk. Very underwhelming and disappointing.

Why are you evaluating the team as if it's next year's trade deadline already?

Our roster composition, which is indeed winger heavy, is utterly meaningless in July.

Let them build the team they're building before throwing out a global opinion on the job they are doing.

 

[rypper]

I’m ready for the next management team in Vancouver already. Good thing JR only has this year coming up and the year after under contract. Allvin will get the boot as well because I don’t see our ownership with as much patience as in the past. These guys have literally missed the boat on everything since last trade deadline and signed a bunch of wingers to a team stacked with wingers.

Pittsburgh was on to something giving them the boot and you can see they know how to talk the talk but not walk the walk. Very underwhelming and disappointing.

Christ dude. It's going to take years to undo the shit show Benning left, not months.

You would fire a GM after 6 months on the job. You know how ridiculous that sounds don't you?

 

[I Hart Conor Garland]

We also had back to back rookie NHL coaches, both of which have NOT been back behind an NHL bench since being fired. If that doesn't show people how bad of a coach they must be than I don't know what else does.

not quite true here

willie was the kings’ interim head coach from november 2018-april 2019, coaching them for a total of 69 games(nice)