Rumor: ALL PURPOSE JT MILLER THREAD PT2 - It's Been 84 Years....

[Bettman Returnz]

I usually cringe when reading this thread, so many definitive hot takes. So many people quoting sources that have been proven to be wrong at every single turn.

Why on earth do the Canucks need to trade JT Miller this offseason? Because his value is the highest? If his value was that high right now, he likely would have been dealt by now. Just because fans want to see moves, and get impatient, does not mean that is the way that professional organizations work.

If we roll into the season with this forward group in tact, it has a very good blend of skill and depth. We have one of the best goalies in the league with Demko. Our D, for all the criticism had the 9th lowest goals against last year, with the worst PK in the league. I'd say that one area that should be much better with our additions is the PK. It certainly isn't a case of the only way we can improve our D is trading our best forward.

Ultimately this is a team that should be in the playoffs, given their improvements and play under BB.

I would 100% welcome scenario where we continue to work through a deal with JT Miller, and roll into next year with a solid team. If a deal doesn't get done, deal him at the deadline for solid package, and hopefully are in a solid enough spot to continue on to the playoffs.

… as long as come next deadline we don’t just keep him as our own rental and watch him walk for nothing. That would be terrible asset management.

I will also say it’s a very risky game to play. So much can happen over the next several months to decrease his value. My personal opinion is this should get taken care of this offseason (either trade or resign) so it’s not an ongoing distraction (and worry).

 

[TGWL]

… as long as come next deadline we don’t just keep him as our own rental and watch him walk for nothing. That would be terrible asset management.

I will also say it’s a very risky game to play. So much can happen over the next several months to decrease his value. My personal opinion is this should get taken care of this offseason (either trade or resign) so it’s not an ongoing distraction (and worry).

A lot can happen. I think the bigger issue is where do you see Vancouver at the deadline. If it's in a good playoff spot, or seems like they should at least be in reach for the playoffs, it's tough to look down your roster and say "Hey, you... I know you're winning games for us but we're going to trade you". It's hard to sell that to the organization and your fanbase as well. It'll be a lot easier of Vancouver is on the outside come trade deadline - although the season won't be more enjoyable.

 

[Bettman Returnz]

A lot can happen. I think the bigger issue is where do you see Vancouver at the deadline. If it's in a good playoff spot, or seems like they should at least be in reach for the playoffs, it's tough to look down your roster and say "Hey, you... I know you're winning games for us but we're going to trade you". It's hard to sell that to the organization and your fanbase as well. It'll be a lot easier of Vancouver is on the outside come trade deadline - although the season won't be more enjoyable.

Likely similar spot as last season… fighting for a wild card spot. As a fanbase we already know our window is in about 2-3yrs… or that’s the goal to make us a contender. So doesn’t make sense to hang on to a player with this great of value to maybe make the playoffs, then walk. We’ve been down this road too often. Would rather recoup the future assets we can use when we are actually ready to turn the page and seriously compete.

 

[BCNate]

… as long as come next deadline we don’t just keep him as our own rental and watch him walk for nothing. That would be terrible asset management.

I will also say it’s a very risky game to play. So much can happen over the next several months to decrease his value. My personal opinion is this should get taken care of this offseason (either trade or resign) so it’s not an ongoing distraction (and worry).

I agree with everything you wrote.

The thing with JT Miller is that if he has a down year, last season doesn't matter, he simply won't get the contract that he wants. He is going to come into camp ready to go and earn as big a deal as he can. If the Canucks can leverage that for 60 some odd games, set themselves up as a playoff team, then still get a good deadline deal, I'm down with that, and would far rather go that route than take a bad deal now.

I do believe that he will re sign here though, I think that is what the front office is really looking to do as well.

 

[PROUD PAPA]

My take on this thread (and this entire board lately)....there are way more young people finding this site with absurd ideas of player worth through Homer glasses.

Canucks certainly have their lunatic fringe posters like every team.
They'll disappear when they see the return.

 

[canuckfaithful]

I don't think Mikheyev is the player you think he is, but Kuz is a wildcard.

20+ goals last year 30 odd points in 50 odd games. In a more limited role and ice time, behind the depth of Toronto. I’d be surprised if he’s not the player we think he is?

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Likely similar spot as last season… fighting for a wild card spot. As a fanbase we already know our window is in about 2-3yrs… or that’s the goal to make us a contender. So doesn’t make sense to hang on to a player with this great of value to maybe make the playoffs, then walk. We’ve been down this road too often. Would rather recoup the future assets we can use when we are actually ready to turn the page and seriously compete.

That's easy to say now but if the Canucks are in a playoffs spot and playing well it will be very hard to just sell off one of their best assets. Ryan Strome was our 2C and if we were out of the playoffs we would have looked to unload him for something but we definitely weren't getting rid of him going into the playoffs and then ultimately let him walk. JT Miller is a much better player and I just don't think ownership and fans will want to trade him if you are good enough to get in. I think the most likely scenario is he gets traded this off season. It's still early.

 

[Bettman Returnz]

That's easy to say now but if the Canucks are in a playoffs spot and playing well it will be very hard to just sell off one of their best assets. Ryan Strome was our 2C and if we were out of the playoffs we would have looked to unload him for something but we definitely weren't getting rid of him going into the playoffs and then ultimately let him walk. JT Miller is a much better player and I just don't think ownership and fans will want to trade him if you are good enough to get in. I think the most likely scenario is he gets traded this off season. It's still early.

Which is why moving miller sooner rather than later is a better scenario… to avoid an awkward situation closer to deadline. Management (and fans) have been very open and honest about not letting assets walk away for nothing. Our previous regime was famous for this, now look at where we are at!

 

[Russian_fanatic]

Count me in as a Canucks fan who would rather keep Miller.

I think all these talks of PPG vs 99 points is pure garbage driven to bring his value down/diminish the player. It's fine if you don't want him but Miller is a damn fine player.

Miller has matured since coming to Vancouver, and he's been playing at a PPG level even before his season this previous year. With the ability to play all 3 forward positions, great on the draw, great on the forecheck and along the boards, while playing at a PPG pace (at a minimum). He was the main reason for the turnaround, he completely put the team on his back.

Simply put he's been amazing since he has arrived in Vancouver, and many fans have been saying he should be wearing the 'C'. The only player on the roster who can lead with his play on and off the ice. I'd rather hold onto him than take a lowball offer, which is what it seems like Canucks management's is doing.

 

[Taluss]

Very interesting situation now that he’s not delt. Kinda feels like a TDL deal now which could be a huge sway in price

Will he continue on this really respectable and good pace or will he fall off and the Nucks regret not trading him for what they could’ve got?

Looking forward to the outcome. Personally I’m hoping he continues being a solid player and Nucks sign him

 

[Anthony5967]

Lafreniere+Schneider+Othmann+2023 1st. Am I missing anything?

 

[wetcoast]

That's easy to say now but if the Canucks are in a playoffs spot and playing well it will be very hard to just sell off one of their best assets. Ryan Strome was our 2C and if we were out of the playoffs we would have looked to unload him for something but we definitely weren't getting rid of him going into the playoffs and then ultimately let him walk. JT Miller is a much better player and I just don't think ownership and fans will want to trade him if you are good enough to get in. I think the most likely scenario is he gets traded this off season. It's still early.

We will never find out but I wonder if the lack of offers held back the Canucks trading Miller last year or if it was the chase for the playoffs and the pressure that ownership seems to have on Canuck GMs with that notion.

If they didn't have a good offer that's one thing but I never bought the he would hold more value in the offseason that last year argument for a second.

Also given the current landscape I wonder if they will feel pressure to just sign him long term and then make another bad decision on a franchise that has had too many of those in recent years.

 

[Hoglander]

Lafreniere+Schneider+Othmann+2023 1st. Am I missing anything?

Yeah, a 2025 4th round pick also goes to the Rangers, you know, just to balance things out.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Lafreniere+Schneider+Othmann+2023 1st. Am I missing anything?

Throw in a 2nd and we’ll retain 50%.

 

[canadianmagpie]

I'm wondering if there would be any interest from Carolina.

Something like Miller and Poolman for Pesce, Carolina 2nd and a decent prospect? Of course, this would likely be dependent on Carolina signing Klingberg to pair with Slavin, Burns with Skjei and then you have Poolman on your third pairing.

Canucks save $3.5 million in cap and find a defensively responsible partner for Hughes.

 

[Killer Orcas]

I'm wondering if there would be any interest from Carolina.

Something like Miller and Poolman for Pesce, Carolina 2nd and a decent prospect? Of course, this would likely be dependent on Carolina signing Klingberg to pair with Slavin, Burns with Skjei and then you have Poolman on your third pairing.

Canucks save $3.5 million in cap and find a defensively responsible partner for Hughes.

Pesce is worth more than Miller we'd be adding not them.

 

[StephenPeat]

I'm wondering if there would be any interest from Carolina.

Something like Miller and Poolman for Pesce, Carolina 2nd and a decent prospect? Of course, this would likely be dependent on Carolina signing Klingberg to pair with Slavin, Burns with Skjei and then you have Poolman on your third pairing.

Canucks save $3.5 million in cap and find a defensively responsible partner for Hughes.

Good lord add to Pesce for Miller and take a dump? Just when you think the outrageous Miller over-valuation has peaked, hold my Miller Time.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

John Klingberg making Brett Pesce expendable is silly. While the Canes are more of a finesse team on paper now than they have been recently, they're not just going to abandon their defense identity, of which Pesce, along with Slavin and Staal, is central to.

If Klingberg wanted to take a prove-it deal and if the Canes could make the necessary moves to make it happen, he'd just mix in as a 5th Top 4 D, like de Haan did in 18-19.

Miller to the Canes is a deadline deal for futures.

 

[EP to EP back to EP]

John Klingberg making Brett Pesce expendable is silly. While the Canes are more of a finesse team on paper now than they have been recently, they're not just going to abandon their defense identity, of which Pesce, along with Slavin and Staal, is central to.

If Klingberg wanted to take a prove-it deal and if the Canes could make the necessary moves to make it happen, he'd just mix in as a 5th Top 4 D, like de Haan did in 18-19.

Miller to the Canes is a deadline deal for futures.

Why would Klingberg ever take a prove it deal?

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Why would Klingberg ever take a prove it deal?

I wasn’t arguing that he would there. For Carolina to afford him, as was suggested in that proposal, he’d have to.

On the subject, the market for him increasingly looks like it sucks this year. Punting and trying again next Summer wouldn’t be a crazy decision. Not a perfect comp as the external market factors (unexpected flat cap) were more severe, but Barrie did this just recently.

 

[spockBokk]

I'm wondering if there would be any interest from Carolina.

No. You can stop wondering.

Perhaps at the deadline when the exorbitant ask has decreased significantly.

For Pesce? You’re insane.

 

[wetcoast]

Why would Klingberg ever take a prove it deal?

Maybe if no one offers the amount and term that he is looking for?

People seem to think that every team has buckets of money and that they don't look forward to when they have to re sign young emerging starts and how complicated it is.

 

[wetcoast]

No. You can stop wondering.

Perhaps at the deadline when the exorbitant ask has decreased significantly.

For Pesce? You’re insane.

Let's forget about age as Miller on a say 8 X 8 obviously will have a drag sometime in the future but Pesce is basically a very good defensive Dman who is also good on the PK but is not a PP option at all.

Miller is a versatile C/Winger who hits and is good in the FO circle and drives play, not exactly a guy a team can pick up every day.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

No. You can stop wondering.

Perhaps at the deadline when the exorbitant ask has decreased significantly.

For Pesce? You’re insane.

I don’t think the ask from Vancouver is exorbitant. I do agree that Pesce is an insane proposal though.

 

[Mal Reynolds]

Pesce for Miller makes no sense whatsoever. Full stop. A contending team doesn't just trade one of their best defensive players, especially when team defense is such a big part of their identity. (And imo the Klingberg ship has likely sailed with their addition of Burns.)

*If* Carolina is in on Miller, it's likely for futures