Player Discussion All Purpose Goaltending Thread

[Buff15Sabres]

Does everyone use moneypuck for expected goals for ?

I'm struggling to understand some of these percentages.

Moneypuck says Nashville 4th goal had only a 4.1% chance of scoring. This was a 2 on 1 where the pass got across and the scorer had an open shot from an extremely dangerous area. My gut would've put this well over 50%+ chance of scoring.

Tage's goal was only a 9.2% chance of scoring? How does a cross ice pass on a 5 on 3 that resulted in a perfectly placed rocket into the top corner have that low of a scoring chance ? I'd put that in the unsaveable category.

Many (every?) Nashville goal looks lower than I would've expected. Does moneypuck only look at where a shot is taken from without looking at game situation? IE if it was a clean breakaway, 2 on 1 rush, etc.

 

[ValJamesDuex]

Sabres goaltending development coach Seamus Kotyk​

Seamus Kotyk joined the show on the development of Sabres goaltender Devon Levi.

https://www.audacy.com/podcast/sabres-live-340e9/episodes/sabres-goaltending-development-coach-seamus-kotyk-680bc

 

[zenthusiast]

NHL Team Stats

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The Sabres are 8th worst in xGA and 4th worst in GA.

The defense (incl forwards) and the goalies are all bad. Period.

I don’t really rate x stats

 

[Zman5778]

Does everyone use moneypuck for expected goals for ?

I'm struggling to understand some of these percentages.

Lots of people struggle to understand how Moneypuck defines their "Expected goals" percentage. It's why I tend to ignore it for a single event or a single game.

I think there's SOME value to it if/when taken over the course of a season, but it's not gospel. Its best use is of a measure of how good/poor a team's defense is.

 

[Jim Bob]

Flyers’ Rebuild Hinges on Carter Hart Trade Decision - The Hockey Writers Philadelphia Flyers Latest News, Analysis & More

Daniel Brière and the Philadelphia Flyers will need to consider trading Carter Hart if they plan to begin a full rebuild.

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[Jim Bob]

 

[sabremike]

Breaking News: KA just saw this and signed the guy, he will get the start tomorrow vs the Devils.

 

[Chainshot]

Flyers’ Rebuild Hinges on Carter Hart Trade Decision - The Hockey Writers Philadelphia Flyers Latest News, Analysis & More

Daniel Brière and the Philadelphia Flyers will need to consider trading Carter Hart if they plan to begin a full rebuild.

thehockeywriters.com

Best joke of the morning -

Hart at age 24 might fit that window on the surface. However, the right haul of multiple first-round draft picks and a top-end prospect that projects as a first-line NHL player could go a longer way toward completing the rebuild than a goaltender at the peak of his trade value who doesn’t provide enough of a benefit to the team’s short-term future.

Multiple. Holy shit that's funny stuff.

 

[Jim Bob]

Best joke of the morning -



Multiple. Holy shit that's funny stuff.

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Yeah, good luck finding a comparable in recent NHL history.

 

[Chainshot]

NHL Transactions

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Yeah, good luck finding a comparable in recent NHL history.

When the search reaches beyond 15 years, it seems the evidence is thin.

 

[jcbeze]

Can UPL be sent to the AHL next year without having to go through waivers?

 

[Taro Tsujimoto]

Sabres have the league's worst save percentage this month. Gee, what a surprise.

 

[Jim Bob]

Can UPL be sent to the AHL next year without having to go through waivers?

Nope.

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Thank you for the amazing 9 years

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Estimated waivers required beginning: 2023-24

 

[jcbeze]

Nope.

Thank You - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

Thank you for the amazing 9 years

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Ok, so he's here then for sure unless part of a trade

 

[Chainshot]

Ok, so he's here then for sure unless part of a trade

My most sincere hope is that he's sent out to a team looking to bridge in net as they rebuild.

 

[HaNotsri]

Comrie can be the back up in Rochester next year.

Guessing UPL will be picked up on waivers by a tanking team.
I'd probably waive Comrie a day earlier if someone is stupid and desperate enough to bite.

 

[BuffaloGooner]

My most sincere hope is that he's sent out to a team looking to bridge in net as they rebuild.

This screams Arizona and Vejmelka.

 

[Chainshot]

Comrie can be the back up in Rochester next year.

Guessing UPL will be picked up on waivers by a tanking team.
I'd probably waive Comrie a day earlier if someone is stupid and desperate enough to bite.

They aren’t waiving Luukkonen.

 

[Chainshot]

This screams Arizona and Vejmelka.

I’d be okay with that.

 

[My Cozen Dylan]

This screams Arizona and Vejmelka.

Or (wishfully) Nashville and Saros.

 

[Irie]

Does everyone use moneypuck for expected goals for ?

I'm struggling to understand some of these percentages.

Moneypuck says Nashville 4th goal had only a 4.1% chance of scoring. This was a 2 on 1 where the pass got across and the scorer had an open shot from an extremely dangerous area. My gut would've put this well over 50%+ chance of scoring.

Tage's goal was only a 9.2% chance of scoring? How does a cross ice pass on a 5 on 3 that resulted in a perfectly placed rocket into the top corner have that low of a scoring chance ? I'd put that in the unsaveable category.

Many (every?) Nashville goal looks lower than I would've expected. Does moneypuck only look at where a shot is taken from without looking at game situation? IE if it was a clean breakaway, 2 on 1 rush, etc.

They don't watch the games or any of the actual goals to determine if it is an above or below average chance.

It is just a stupid algorithm that uses the NHL shot location tracker and plugs the data into it to compare it to other shots at that location from around the league all year and matches it up against how often at that location shots produce goals

It is a completely useless stat for evaluating goalies that doesn't take into account any meaningful context of the play. It is by far the worst thing to come of this new NHL analytics revolution.

 

[Jacob582]

With 3 goaltenders on the ice, will we see much of Craig Anderson anymore? Seems like he will continue to take a step back with more maintenance days. He's really not needed. We don't need him for the wins. He has won three games since the new year.

 

[Chainshot]

Travis Yost: Goaltending has cratered across the NHL in March | TSN

Goalies have had a rough go of it in the past few weeks – scoring rates are once again at blistering levels, and league-wide save percentages are plummeting. Travis Yost has more on offence sweeping the NHL.

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It is interesting that a disproportionate number of Eastern Conference teams appear contributory to league-wide stop rates plummeting. Consider the below tables, which show goaltending performance (as measured by Goals Saved vs. Expectations) on a monthly basis. I have bifurcated it between the two conferences accordingly.

Half of the Eastern Conference – that’s eight teams, including lottery chasers in Columbus, playoff capitulators in Buffalo and Detroit, and playoff-bound teams in Toronto and Tampa Bay – who are seeing their worst goaltending of the season right now.

It’s also a diverse group of goaltenders struggling. Tristan Jarry in Pittsburgh and Ville Husso in Detroit simply cannot buy a save right now. But look at New York’s Ilya Sorokin, a verifiable Vezina Trophy candidate, who has similarly cooled off (90.8 per cent stop rate).

 

[Ehran]

With 3 goaltenders on the ice, will we see much of Craig Anderson anymore? Seems like he will continue to take a step back with more maintenance days. He's really not needed. We don't need him for the wins. He has won three games since the new year.

I expect at least one more start for Anderson, April 13th at home against Ottawa. It will be a retirement night for him, either formally or informally depending on whether he publicly announces it or not.

 

[Zman5778]

With 3 goaltenders on the ice, will we see much of Craig Anderson anymore? Seems like he will continue to take a step back with more maintenance days. He's really not needed. We don't need him for the wins. He has won three games since the new year.

We'll see Craig probably twice more. Once this week and then once in our 4-in-5 closing......maybe he gets one midweek next week too.

I kind of see it like this with 10 games left:

Anderson, UPL and Comrie all get 2 or 3 starts. Levi gets 1 or 2.