Player Discussion All Purpose Goaltending Thread

[WhereAreTheCookies]

The xGF stats assign the same weight of a missed shot to a blocked shot to a corner snipe. It also doesn't capture shooter talent, so if Ovie and Girgensons take the exact same shot, it carries the exact same value.

Anyway, a shot that occurs when a pass immediately precedes it carries a much heavier xGF value than just a shot event. So in many cases a breakaway will have a lower xGF value than a rebound or cross slot pass to shot, even substantially so. Two identical 2-on-1's can have substantially different xGF values depending on where the shot was taken and whether there was a pass before hand.

That's why sample size is so important, and neither of our goalies have played anywhere near enough minutes for those numbers to meaningful. The best one could say is "so far player x is performing above/below expectations", with the caveat that there are no real conclusions to be made yet.

Remember Hammond's magical run with the Sens? Sample size...

I'm not looking at those numbers as the end all be all of how good or bad the goalies are like some on here seemed to imply. But would anyone argue that the goalie order of how good they've been has been Anderson>UPL>Comrie so far this season? Which is what the xGA was suggesting. Ignore the data altogether and view it as a ranking, does it line up?

 

[Jim Bob]

I'm not looking at those numbers as the end all be all of how good or bad the goalies are like some on here seemed to imply. But would anyone argue that the goalie order of how good they've been has been Anderson>UPL>Comrie so far this season? Which is what the xGA was suggesting. Ignore the data altogether and view it as a ranking, does it line up?

The standard stats (Save% primarily) and the advanced stats like Goals Saved Above Expected point to Anderson being their best goalie this season, UPL being the second best, and Comrie being their worst goalie so far this season.

Where things get muddied is the fact that 40yo Anderson is unable to carry a usual 1 or even 1A workload of starts. That is why the UPL vs Comrie conversation becomes more important.

 

[Jim Bob]

 

[DustyZ]

Not really when you take into account that Comrie got most of the starts when Sammy was out.

That was a dark time for Goalie stats.

Exactly

His play is Singing right now!

 

[Jim Bob]

Seven NHL goaltending prospects dominating the AHL

These seven names should all be full-time NHLers sooner rather than later.

www.dailyfaceoff.com

 

[Gabrielor]

UPL G1 the remainder of the season. Couldn't be happier it fell this way.

Should play as many NHL games as able.

 

[dortt]

would have got at least a point Tuesday with UPLs level of play tonight

Would have liked a breakaway save, but he played well enough to win

 

[DustyZ]

Someone should probably tell UPL that fighting a screen doesn't involve leaving the net in it's entirety.

 

[oldgoalie]

would have got at least a point Tuesday with UPLs level of play tonight

Would have liked a breakaway save, but he played well enough to win

I didn't like him at all on that breakaway.

 

[Bendium]

I didn't like him at all on that breakaway.

I agree. Its almost looked like he thought the player chasing was going to catch the shooter and force a shot, so he was way out of the net to challenge the shot. No other reason to be so far out making it so easy to just skate around him. I think it was just a misread of the situation. That will improve with experience.

 

[Jim Bob]

 

[WhereAreTheCookies]

Seven NHL goaltending prospects dominating the AHL

These seven names should all be full-time NHLers sooner rather than later.

www.dailyfaceoff.com

Of course Boston has another goalie killing it in the AHL. Because having Ullmark and Swayman aren't enough.

 

[Nikolajs Sillers]

Someone should probably tell UPL that fighting a screen doesn't involve leaving the net in it's entirety.View attachment 634630

Is that photoshopped?

 

[Jim Bob]

Is that photoshopped?

No, that is where he ended up after the goal beat him over the shoulder short side and he opted not to stop his slide.

 

[Zman5778]

No, that is where he ended up after the goal beat him over the shoulder short side and he opted not to stop his slide.

Yeah, that photo makes one think awful things.........when it's wasn't nearly the case.

Highly highly misleading photo.

 

[Jim Bob]

Yeah, that photo makes one think awful things.........when it's wasn't nearly the case.

Highly highly misleading photo.

Consider the source.

 

[DustyZ]

Consider the source.

Yes

The guy who thinks Ottawa, Detroit, Florida and Philadelphia will all finish ahead of us this year.

He's crazy..

Oh wait, that's me.

 

[DustyZ]

Yeah, that photo makes one think awful things.........when it's wasn't nearly the case.

Highly highly misleading photo.

He was certainly going to be in excellent position for the rebound!

 

[Jim Bob]

He was certainly going to be in excellent position for the rebound!

There was no rebound. UPL knew it. That's why he slid past his post that far.

 

[DustyZ]

There was no rebound. UPL knew it. That's why he slid past his post that far.

Can we please talk Anderson into retiring?

This seasons over. We need to see what we have in Comrie and UPL and have them split the remaining games.

This facade that's being presented right now isn't helping anyone. He's 41 years old.

Thanks very much, you're awesome, but goodbye!

 

[Jim Bob]

Can we please talk Anderson into retiring?

This seasons over. We need to see what we have in Comrie and UPL and have them split the remaining games.

This facade that's being presented right now isn't helping anyone. He's 41 years old.

Thanks very much, you're awesome, but goodbye!

The Sabres know the season is not over at the 40 game mark.

 

[WhereAreTheCookies]

Can we please talk Anderson into retiring?

This seasons over. We need to see what we have in Comrie and UPL and have them split the remaining games.

This facade that's being presented right now isn't helping anyone. He's 41 years old.

Thanks very much, you're awesome, but goodbye!

Anderson is a good mentor not just for the goalies but for the players as well. If you notice he talks to them a lot more on the ice than Comrie or UPL. He will direct guys on how they should position to give him better looks on shots etc. I think that is something very beneficial for the whole team in trying to improve their defensive play.

 

[DustyZ]

The Sabres know the season is not over at the 40 game mark.

We are worn out at the halfway mark.

And some of these trade suggestions I'm seeing make Tim Murray look conservative.

Even if we could somehow miraculously make the playoffs, we are soft, don't have the best or experienced goaltending and are not setup for success for any type of playoff run.

I'd rather bite the bullet this year, make our 2023 draft selection, and if we find ourselves in a similar position next year, talk about potential trades.

I'm as anxious as the next person, but I don't need to be desperate right now when we are more pretenders than contenders.

We need to look at ourselves objectively.

 

[Jim Bob]

We are worn out at the halfway mark.

And some of these trade suggestions I'm seeing make Tim Murray look conservative.

Even if we could somehow miraculously make the playoffs, we are soft, don't have the best or experienced goaltending and are not setup for success for any type of playoff run.

I'd rather bite the bullet this year, make our 2023 draft selection, and if we find ourselves in a similar position next year, talk about potential trades.

I'm as anxious as the next person, but I don't need to be desperate right now when we are more pretenders than contenders.

We need to look at ourselves objectively.

1) They are not worn out.

2) Kevyn Adams is not the GM and is unlikely to make a blockbuster deal. So, rest easy.

3) Making the playoffs at all is an important next step for this team.

4) Cool. I expect that Adams doesn't make any big moves between now and the end of the season and the Sabres will use their 23 1st on a player.

5) You come across as more pessimistic than anxious. I guess it all depends on your definition of pretender and contender.

6) I agree that most people are too optimistic or too pessimistic about where this team is today.

 

[DustyZ]

1) They are not worn out.

2) Kevyn Adams is not the GM and is unlikely to make a blockbuster deal. So, rest easy.

3) Making the playoffs at all is an important next step for this team.

4) Cool. I expect that Adams doesn't make any big moves between now and the end of the season and the Sabres will use their 23 1st on a player.

5) You come across as more pessimistic than anxious. I guess it all depends on your definition of pretender and contender.

6) I agree that most people are too optimistic or too pessimistic about where this team is today.

Please

What I should come across as, is a fan. Because that's what I am

I'm also a realist.

It seems we agree on most items. I can only hope you're right about the not worn out part because it's not what I'm seeing.