Prospect Info: All-Purpose 2024 Draft Thread & Celebrini discussion (also the 14th pick and whatever else is draft related)

[STL Shark]

Flyers entire team is signed. They don't need cap space because they have no open roster spots or unsigned FAs. No chance they give up a 2nd rounder in addition to trading down from 12 just to shed $3.8M in commitments for one year. Especially since Petersen is someone they explicitly acquired as a cap dump for picks less than a year ago - why would the same GM essentially undo that move (and then some)? Makes zero sense.

Because in order to make the team better, they need to make moves? Or do you think that they should just run it back with literally the same group that missed the playoffs and collapsed down the stretch in Year 1 under the new GM?

If I know anything about Briere from his playing days, he will want to put his spin on this roster rather than just keep rolling out the same group of players that he inherited from a GM that was fired for not doing well enough... unless you think he should just stand pat and keep running the same underperforming group with the same HC.

Keith Jones literally said this in an interview with The Athletic with our pal Kurz yesterday “I think the one indicator on the timeline that’s out there for everyone to see is the money that we have tied up right now for players that aren’t playing for our team,” Jones said. “A lot of that is going to start to come off of the cap. If you’re looking further down the line, that is where we’re going to start to have some real key decisions to make. We have to get them right. There’s no room for error on whatever players we add to the mix in a couple of years. Those are things that we have to pay a lot of attention to right now.”

If they think it will only cost a small cost to rid some of that dead money immediately, I think they highly consider doing it so that they can start to build out the team in their image rather than merely just keep the status quo of what was inherited.

 

[LadyStanley]

Celebrini and Moorehouse on NHL-Draft-class, haven’t listened yet but I guess it will be worth doing so, very Shark-centric.

Previously posted. ;-)

https://x.com/i/web/status/1798760568805105671

Marketing budget at new high?

 

[TheBeard]

Because in order to make the team better, they need to make moves? Or do you think that they should just run it back with literally the same group that missed the playoffs and collapsed down the stretch in Year 1 under the new GM?

If I know anything about Briere from his playing days, he will want to put his spin on this roster rather than just keep rolling out the same group of players that he inherited from a GM that was fired for not doing well enough... unless you think he should just stand pat and keep running the same underperforming group with the same HC.

Keith Jones literally said this in an interview with The Athletic with our pal Kurz yesterday “I think the one indicator on the timeline that’s out there for everyone to see is the money that we have tied up right now for players that aren’t playing for our team,” Jones said. “A lot of that is going to start to come off of the cap. If you’re looking further down the line, that is where we’re going to start to have some real key decisions to make. We have to get them right. There’s no room for error on whatever players we add to the mix in a couple of years. Those are things that we have to pay a lot of attention to right now.”

If they think it will only cost a small cost to rid some of that dead money immediately, I think they highly consider doing it so that they can start to build out the team in their image rather than merely just keep the status quo of what was inherited.

I really don’t think Briere is rushing the timeline. Philly overachieved last year. Everyone saw them as a bottom 5 team. Theyre not giving up 12 to dump salary.

 

[Zarzh]

I’m getting the idea that Sennecke is this years Boucher. Am I off in this thought?

Yes, Sennecke had a growth spurt and is fast while passing the eye test and produced late in the season. Boucher passed the eye test to a degree but had endless injuries and never learned how to play the game or produce consistently.

 

[Hodge]

Because in order to make the team better, they need to make moves? Or do you think that they should just run it back with literally the same group that missed the playoffs and collapsed down the stretch in Year 1 under the new GM?

If I know anything about Briere from his playing days, he will want to put his spin on this roster rather than just keep rolling out the same group of players that he inherited from a GM that was fired for not doing well enough... unless you think he should just stand pat and keep running the same underperforming group with the same HC.

Keith Jones literally said this in an interview with The Athletic with our pal Kurz yesterday “I think the one indicator on the timeline that’s out there for everyone to see is the money that we have tied up right now for players that aren’t playing for our team,” Jones said. “A lot of that is going to start to come off of the cap. If you’re looking further down the line, that is where we’re going to start to have some real key decisions to make. We have to get them right. There’s no room for error on whatever players we add to the mix in a couple of years. Those are things that we have to pay a lot of attention to right now.”

If they think it will only cost a small cost to rid some of that dead money immediately, I think they highly consider doing it so that they can start to build out the team in their image rather than merely just keep the status quo of what was inherited.

That quote sounds a lot more like they're planning to run it back until the retained salary on Kevin Hayes comes off the books in 2026.

Even if they want to make changes this offseason it makes a lot more sense to trade someone like Farabee or Konecny who take up more cap space than Petersen and will return actual value.

I still think our best bet at a cap dump trade is with the Islanders.

 

[STL Shark]

I really don’t think Briere is rushing the timeline. Philly overachieved last year. Everyone saw them as a bottom 5 team. Theyre not giving up 12 to dump salary.

It's not simply giving up 12. It is moving from 12 to 14 (which is a pretty bleh difference in a draft such as this unless you're targeting defense). If it were simply giving up 12 then yeah there is not a shot in the world.

Briere literally told them that he's not rebuilding and basically said they lied last summer and were always planning to compete immediately. They're not going to crater into the bottom of the standings and aren't going to make the playoffs most likely, so what's the path to getting better in the time between now and Michkov coming over?

Don't think many GMs get to just maintain the mediocre status quo without a vision to get better or get worse. Especially not in their first full offseason when his first chance to make an impact comes about.

 

[Alaskanice]

Yes, Sennecke had a growth spurt and is fast while passing the eye test and produced late in the season. Boucher passed the eye test to a degree but had endless injuries and never learned how to play the game or produce consistently.

I was focused on prior to the draft.

 

[Hodge]

Here are the details on a Petersen buyout. Flyers would be nuts to pay more than like a 5th rounder just to avoid this:

And again that's assuming they're going to try and go all out to compete this offseason.

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

Previously posted. ;-)

https://x.com/i/web/status/1798760568805105671

Marketing budget at new high?

Billboards and handheld signs, we are moving up to used car salesman marketing!

 

[weastern bias]

Previously posted. ;-)

https://x.com/i/web/status/1798760568805105671

Marketing budget at new high?

Lol, I see one of those billboards on my commute, I honestly thought it was weird seeing Sharks advertising in the wild like that, they haven't been nearly as visible since the late 2010s

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Lol, I see one of those billboards on my commute, I honestly thought it was weird seeing Sharks advertising in the wild like that, they haven't been nearly as visible since the late 2010s

The only time I've ever seen Sharks advertising in Sacramento was when they traded for Erik Karlsson.

 

[Zarzh]

I was focused on prior to the draft.

Same answer, they aren't really similar players. Sennecke scored at a higher rate in his D-1 than Boucher did in his D+2.

 

[LadyStanley]

Check out this Podcast: S6: NHL Scouting Combine - PART II: Cayden Lindstrom, Zeev Buium & Cole Eiserman S6: NHL Scouting Combine - PART II: Cayden Lindstrom, Zeev Buium & Cole Eiserman

NHL Draft Class podcast

 

[PacificOceanPotion]

I had kind of an interesting thought. With some of these offensive D men that are sprouting up more every year, athletic, dynamic etc. Can anyone see one of these guys, whether a forward or D man, possibly being a Burns/Mcdonald type hybrid in the NHL? Parekh? Dickinson? You rarely ever see a forward switch to D but I’m curious if that becomes a variable when evaluating a prospect.

 

[jMoneyBrah]

I had kind of an interesting thought. With some of these offensive D men that are sprouting up more every year, athletic, dynamic etc. Can anyone see one of these guys, whether a forward or D man, possibly being a Burns/Mcdonald type hybrid in the NHL? Parekh? Dickinson? You rarely ever see a forward switch to D but I’m curious if that becomes a variable when evaluating a prospect.

Like, I’m no development coach or anything, but my guess is that the defense position, and requisite techniques for executing at the NHL level, require a degree of specialization that isn’t really accessible to player that is also expected to be a better than replacement forward.

Burns and McDonald aren’t really comparable as Burns is a difference maker on defense, and was effective as a F1 winger for a season and a half* whereas McDonald is like the definition of replacement level on forward or D.

Much like we don’t see hybrid pitcher/position players in baseball** I think it’s an incredible feat of talent, smarts, and dedication to be able to be effective at both forward and defensive roles.

*Burns was drafted as a forward and converted to D just prior to breaking into the league. He also has physical dimensions and athleticism that profiles defender. IIRC for the short time he played forward with the Sharks he was primarily used as an F1 crash and bang forechecker who played with Thornton and Pavelski. My point being as far as forward roles, it was a pretty low lift as far as needing to be an intelligent wielder of technique and craft. Burns was able to basically just use his size, plus physicality, plus skating, plus hands, and plus wrister to be an effective complimentary bludgeoning third-wheel to two intelligent players. He was very much a blunderbuss and not a scalpel.

**yeah, yeah Ohtani. Two things: one, he is a DH and doesn’t actually take the field as a fielder when not pitching; two, holy shit he is a freak outlier and not even remotely a norm or something teams are actively trying to develop. Nor do we see a glut of prospects coming up as potential two-way players.

 

[tiburon12]

Here are the details on a Petersen buyout. Flyers would be nuts to pay more than like a 5th rounder just to avoid this:

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And again that's assuming they're going to try and go all out to compete this offseason.

The Flyers have explicitly said they aren't buying him out though, so if they intend to make moves, the must shed salary another way. Peterson is the prime candidate for that. And you of anyone should be supportive of a new GM doing work to rid himself of a past GM's mistakes.

There's palpable frustration in flyers country. They hate torts because he made the team better than they should have been when they need to be getting better draft picks, especially since Cutter jumped ship. They want the team to be better but they don't want them to be "fake better" and miss out on establishing a good core. It's a mess there.

If Eiserman is their target and is there at 12, and SJ and MIN indicate they are not taking him, then why not trade down to get rid of that contract?

 

[Shark Finn]

All I can say is that I'm glad we have the #14 pick (and Granlund) instead of Karlsson.

 

[WSS11]

Nice interview with Grier

 

[LadyStanley]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1799069570348859424

Starts with discussion as to whether Celebrini should go pro next season

 

[Juxtaposer]

@Gecklund I was looking at the Oilers board mock draft and I gotta say, I feel like whoever is selecting for the Sharks is actively trying to sabotage SJ. Trading down from 14 to select Connolly, taking Miettinen with Elick on the board, and taking Vanacker with Badinka on the board are just disgusting choices.

 

[Gecklund]

@Gecklund I was looking at the Oilers board mock draft and I gotta say, I feel like whoever is selecting for the Sharks is actively trying to sabotage SJ. Trading down from 14 to select Connolly, taking Miettinen with Elick on the board, and taking Vanacker with Badinka on the board are just disgusting choices.

I KNOW! I I hate it so much. I’m in a discord with some of the other Oiler fans and was talking to them about it. I’d be appalled by that draft but the dude drafting is nice so felt like I shouldn’t say anything.

As a sidenote to anyone, if anyone wants to join the discord, let me know. Lots of prospect talk and lots of hockey talk as well as some other less on topic talk. Always nice to get new faces in there.

 

[LadyStanley]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1799154703848317325

Why only one hour for most stops?

https://x.com/i/web/status/1799159891711631765

Paywall

 

[coooldude]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1799154703848317325

Why only one hour for most stops?

https://x.com/i/web/status/1799159891711631765

Paywall

If you took these scouts' word for it, then this is their interpretation of the likelihood:

• Sennecke: won't be there. Top 10.
• Catton: probably won't be there, but if he is, "maybe you have to take him"
• Iginla: won't be there.
• Helenius: probably won't be there but if he is, "even if you're strong in the middle, maybe you take him" one of them has Helenius over Catton.
• MBN: one thinks overrated, other thinks good solid middle lineup pick with underrated offense, may be a Sharks pick.
• Eiserman: all three think "the slide is real" and don't like him at all, don't think Sharks will take him
• Connolly: no F'in way for the sharks, they say
• Luchanko: 14 would be absolute max.

Doesn't change much except maybe makes Eiserman less likely.

Still means that the draft order and who reached for whom when, will dictate if any of Catton/Helenius are available, or if we're choosing MBN vs Jiricek/Solberg/Emery.

 

[Hodge]

I like Luchanko as a pick that will make people really angry.

 

[Juxtaposer]

If you took these scouts' word for it, then this is their interpretation of the likelihood:

• Sennecke: won't be there. Top 10.
• Catton: probably won't be there, but if he is, "maybe you have to take him"
• Iginla: won't be there.
• Helenius: probably won't be there but if he is, "even if you're strong in the middle, maybe you take him" one of them has Helenius over Catton.
• MBN: one thinks overrated, other thinks good solid middle lineup pick with underrated offense, may be a Sharks pick.
• Eiserman: all three think "the slide is real" and don't like him at all, don't think Sharks will take him
• Connolly: no F'in way for the sharks, they say
• Luchanko: 14 would be absolute max.

Doesn't change much except maybe makes Eiserman less likely.

Still means that the draft order and who reached for whom when, will dictate if any of Catton/Helenius are available, or if we're choosing MBN vs Jiricek/Solberg/Emery.

Nothing groundbreaking, but I wouldn’t be so sure of both Sennecke and Iginla going top-10. If they did, then one of the D at least plus Catton would have to pop loose, which seems insane to me.

To me, the most likely scenario is
1: Celebrini
2-5: Levshunov, Demidov, Silayev, Lindstrom in some order
6-8: Dickinson, Parekh, Buium in some order (all those teams need D)
9-13: Iginla, Sennecke, Catton, Yakemchuk, Helenius in some order

Someone has to drop out of the top-10.