Prospect Info: All-Purpose 2024 Draft Thread & Celebrini discussion (also the 14th pick and whatever else is draft related)

[Jargon]

He also scored 27 points in 63 games for the Canucks in 2018-2019, so it’s not like he didn’t have NHL skill. I’m assuming they were empty-calorie points on a bad team, but that’s not nothing.


14th overall picks ranked by how far you’d hear me:

Buium, Dickinson, Iginla, Lindstrom: You’d hear me from the streets of New Jersey
Parekh, Catton, Yakemchuk, Sennecke: Pop-off heard from the Tank
Helenius, Jiricek, Brandsegg-Nygard, Solberg: Polite golf clap and head nod of approval
Eiserman: You’d hear me from the streets of New Jersey but it would be a different sound

But Jux, you said if we got Celebrini you wouldn’t be against getting Eiserman?!

There’s something alluring to me about that kid. He’s probably not the right pick and I’m fine with a lot of these options (though I think the forwards at 14 fascinate me more than the defensemen currently) but with him dealing with his dad’s sickness all year.. it makes me wonder if he stagnated because he’s 17 and going through something truly horrible. If he rebounds, he could be a big get at 14.

 

[coooldude]

with him dealing with his dad’s sickness all year.. it makes me wonder if he stagnated because he’s 17 and going through something truly horrible. If he rebounds, he could be a big get at 14.

If the team assesses that this was a major factor and thinks he has the right attitude to grow and change (and not the "Cole Eiserman scores goals" attitude he's displayed publicly), then I'll have to get behind the pick. Musty had and has similar concerns about maturity and stagnated in his draft year. Also Eiserman is super young.

Still not my choice among many possible choices, but in the scouting team I trust (for now).

 

[themelkman]

If the team assesses that this was a major factor and thinks he has the right attitude to grow and change (and not the "Cole Eiserman scores goals" attitude he's displayed publicly), then I'll have to get behind the pick. Musty had and has similar concerns about maturity and stagnated in his draft year. Also Eiserman is super young.

Still not my choice among many possible choices, but in the scouting team I trust (for now).

To me it would be shocking for our current team to choose a player like Eiserman, so if we do I would be imagining theres lots we dont know.

 

[Sendhelplease]

What do folks think of Liam Greentree? He seems like a possibility for us at 14 but I haven't seem much discussion about him.

 

[CaptainShark]

Celebrini and Moorehouse on NHL-Draft-class, haven’t listened yet but I guess it will be worth doing so, very Shark-centric.

 

[Zarzh]

What do folks think of Liam Greentree? He seems like a possibility for us at 14 but I haven't seem much discussion about him.

Awful, he'd need to have a steep development curve. Everyone else does things he doesn't or provides something he doesn't.

 

[coooldude]

What do folks think of Liam Greentree? He seems like a possibility for us at 14 but I haven't seem much discussion about him.

If he were a faster, better skater and not lead footed, he'd be in discussion for top 10. But he's exceptionally lead footed.

 

[Sendhelplease]

If he were a faster, better skater and not lead footed, he'd be in discussion for top 10. But he's exceptionally lead footed.

Interesting, I had just noticed the fact that he has much better stats than Sennecke in the same league while being the same height and age range but it sounds like the skating issues are a major concern.

 

[Alaskanice]

I’m getting the idea that Sennecke is this years Boucher. Am I off in this thought?

 

[Juxtaposer]

But Jux, you said if we got Celebrini you wouldn’t be against getting Eiserman?!

There’s something alluring to me about that kid. He’s probably not the right pick and I’m fine with a lot of these options (though I think the forwards at 14 fascinate me more than the defensemen currently) but with him dealing with his dad’s sickness all year.. it makes me wonder if he stagnated because he’s 17 and going through something truly horrible. If he rebounds, he could be a big get at 14.

That was before the U18 and also I was coping.

 

[Jargon]

That was before the U18 and also I was coping.

Hahah all is clear now.

I’m so baffled by who I want at 14 that at this point, like @coooldude, I’m just going to trust the scouts. I really like Morehouse so far, seems like a smart dude.

 

[tiburon12]

Have we discussed trading up with Philly and absorbing Peterson? And then using that pick as a trade chip to move up further?

 

[TheBeard]

Have we discussed trading up with Philly and absorbing Peterson? And then using that pick as a trade chip to move up further?

I guess I’d do it but with only one year left on the deal and no reason to push their chips in why would Philly?

 

[OrrNumber4]

Philadelphia is like the Sharks, no? They have enough cap space.

 

[PacificOceanPotion]

Trading up from 14? Why?

 

[Gecklund]

Have we discussed trading up with Philly and absorbing Peterson? And then using that pick as a trade chip to move up further?

I suggested 12+Petersen for 14 last week

Philadelphia is like the Sharks, no? They have enough cap space.

No. They have basically no cap space. They actually have the highest cap hit in the league for next season right and a projected like 500k in space.

 

[Gecklund]

Another target for our 2nds that I hate: Dean Letourneau. Dude is huge. 6’7 and showed offense in his league (AAA). Apparently he just committed to BC. Very very raw player. He says he’s a 200 foot player but he absolutely is not. He will need to change his game a lot to be successful at BC. While his offense isn’t only because of his size in comparison to the rest, it’s definitely a deciding factor. This entire year is basically a write off for Letourneau because he’s not going to get much time or chances at BC.

 

[one2gamble]

Another target for our 2nds that I hate: Dean Letourneau. Dude is huge. 6’7 and showed offense in his league (AAA). Apparently he just committed to BC. Very very raw player. He says he’s a 200 foot player but he absolutely is not. He will need to change his game a lot to be successful at BC. While his offense isn’t only because of his size in comparison to the rest, it’s definitely a deciding factor. This entire year is basically a write off for Letourneau because he’s not going to get much time or chances at BC.

that souds more like a target for a 5th not a 2nd

 

[STL Shark]

Well I got to question why it would be better if we traded up if either one would be there at 14. Trading up likely means a 2nd is traded.

I still love the idea of taking Petersen's dead cap plus 12th overall and 51st overall in exchange for 14th overall (even willing to toss in a 5-7 rounder).

Gives you a chance to get a player that might not fall those last 2 spots from 14 to 12. Gives you a better chance at moving up in the draft (easier to move from 12 to 10 than 14 to 10). And lastly, it gives you another 2nd rounder to either make a pick with, trade for an NHLer, or package with 33/42 in order to move back into the 1st round again if there's a player that you like that is falling on Day 1.

Add into all of that the need for a 3rd goalie to play with the Cuda in addition to be an injury call up with 2 oft-injured goalies in Blackwood and Vanecek as our goalie tandem (more expensive than a Cooley, but Petersen also comes with assets attached to him and we're not going to be short on 2024-25 cap space and can make it work).

 

[Gecklund]

that souds more like a target for a 5th not a 2nd

He’s ranked somewhere between late first and early third from what I’ve seen. Normally closer to late first. I would have been much more open when he was going to the USHL. BC is just such a different and bigger step. It feels like when players rush to the NHL too quick. Now I could very well be wrong because Dean’s got skill and he’s definitely talented.

 

[tiburon12]

Trading up from 14? Why?

This was answered excellently:

I still love the idea of taking Petersen's dead cap plus 12th overall and 51st overall in exchange for 14th overall (even willing to toss in a 5-7 rounder).

Gives you a chance to get a player that might not fall those last 2 spots from 14 to 12. Gives you a better chance at moving up in the draft (easier to move from 12 to 10 than 14 to 10). And lastly, it gives you another 2nd rounder to either make a pick with, trade for an NHLer, or package with 33/42 in order to move back into the 1st round again if there's a player that you like that is falling on Day 1.

Add into all of that the need for a 3rd goalie to play with the Cuda in addition to be an injury call up with 2 oft-injured goalies in Blackwood and Vanecek as our goalie tandem (more expensive than a Cooley, but Petersen also comes with assets attached to him and we're not going to be short on 2024-25 cap space and can make it work).

My Philly friends say they don't want to risk losing out on eiserman. I have no idea if that's a real consideration or just fan speculation

 

[STL Shark]

Philadelphia is like the Sharks, no? They have enough cap space.

I mean if all they want to do is run it back with the exact same group that missed the playoffs this year, then sure they have enough cap space. If they want to actually make moves in UFA, they only have about $7M in cap space to do so (assuming Johansen is buried and unable to be bought out). If they could rid themselves of almost $4M in dead cap, I would imagine that would be something they'd like to do if the cost is moving back 2 spots and a 2nd rounder.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I mean if all they want to do is run it back with the exact same group that missed the playoffs this year, then sure they have enough cap space. If they want to actually make moves in UFA, they only have about $7M in cap space to do so (assuming Johansen is buried and unable to be bought out). If they could rid themselves of almost $4M in dead cap, I would imagine that would be something they'd like to do if the cost is moving back 2 spots and a 2nd rounder.

They also have Ryan Ellis as an LTIR candidate.

 

[Hodge]

I mean if all they want to do is run it back with the exact same group that missed the playoffs this year, then sure they have enough cap space. If they want to actually make moves in UFA, they only have about $7M in cap space to do so (assuming Johansen is buried and unable to be bought out). If they could rid themselves of almost $4M in dead cap, I would imagine that would be something they'd like to do if the cost is moving back 2 spots and a 2nd rounder.

Flyers entire team is signed. They don't need cap space because they have no open roster spots or unsigned FAs. No chance they give up a 2nd rounder in addition to trading down from 12 just to shed $3.8M in commitments for one year. Especially since Petersen is someone they explicitly acquired as a cap dump for picks less than a year ago - why would the same GM essentially undo that move (and then some)? Makes zero sense.

 

[STL Shark]

They also have Ryan Ellis as an LTIR candidate.

That cap amount is inclusive of Ellis already on LTIR.