Rumor: All Encompassing Jimmy Vesey Thread. All Rumors/News goes here. Part VI

[Ace]

8 of the last 10 winners have been seniors

You think they are going to give it to a rookie twice in a row?

Kyle Connor had 71 points in 38 games
Jack Eichel had 70 points in 40 games

Eichel was also in his predraft season...Connor was post draft. If he'd have waited another development year he'd have had triple digits.

 

[Heisenberg77]

This is going to come off homer-y but I feel like part of the reason Vesey is so sought after is he is in a similar situation to Panarin last season. But I don't think anybody predicted just how successful Panarin would be (nobody, or at least hardly anybody, guessed he would score 77 points).

So now, in case Vesey ends up somehow wildly exceeding all expectations like Panarin did, nobody wants to lose out on him. And if he does bust, well I guess all that will cost the team is a contract spot.

I mean, Panarin is a much, much better player than Vesey, but he did not generate anywhere near this kind of buzz prior to signing with Chicago. To be fair it happened in the middle of the Stanley Cup playoffs as opposed to in the dog days of summer, but still, I feel like Panarin's signing flew well under the radar up until the start of last season.

Great point. I'm pretty uninformed and ignorant on the subject at the moment, so I'm wondering, were their contracts/rights situations the same? Vesey is the same case as Blake Wheeler with Phoenix right? Was Panarin the same situation? I'm curious.

 

[Breakers]

Facts are facts except when they don't agree with you.

It's not a scoring g title and one point is hardly the difference.

Thanks for proving my point

 

[Eric Sachs]

They're probably the only team on his list who can give him quality PP time. Because as much as PIT can potentially play him with Crosby or Malkin, there's almost no chance he'll see PP minutes with either unless Sullivan splits up the PPs and runs 2 equal-ish PPs - something he didn't do at all last season.

I dunno about that. The Devils had a top 10 PP last year and they didn't really lose anyone who was a big part of it. Then you add in a hopefully healthy Cammalleri and Hall (not a great PP guy but he will get in over Vesey).. I'm not sure we will be giving a rookie PP time. If we do, I imagine Zacha will get first chance over Vesey.

Chicago had #2 PP. Bruins #7. Sabres #12. NYR #14. Penguins #16. Isles #17. Leafs #29.

 

[Number8]

Twitter....

So far it seems:

1) every team presenting to Vesey made an extraordinary professional presentation.
2) Vesey has relatives or very very close friends owning or playing for every team involved.
3) every team involved is the font runner except Detroit (watch them sign him)
4) every star player from every team has personally met with and pitched him hard.
5) every team has a very strong key personnel connected to Harvard.
6) Vesey is very close friends with every single Harvard grad involved in the NHL.
7) Vesey has about thirty "people close to him" who know what's going on in his head and have been kind enough to tell every blogger, reporter, or media person in hockey exactly what his present state of mind is.

Twitter....

 

[PB37]

They're probably the only team on his list who can give him quality PP time. Because as much as PIT can potentially play him with Crosby or Malkin, there's almost no chance he'll see PP minutes with either unless Sullivan splits up the PPs and runs 2 equal-ish PPs - something he didn't do at all last season.

The Bruins can. Eriksson was a LH shot on the 1st unit PP and the Bruins love having a left handed player in that spot/role and now he's gone. Vesey would be lined up next to Krejci on 5v5 and grab the LH shot next to the net where the Bruins liked to put Eriksson.

 

[HenriquesJawLine]

Whoever gives Gretzky or I mean Vesey part ownership will sing him first.

Holly **** sign already.

He's been a free agent for 3 days

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

He's a middle 6 player at this point IMO. Would be nice to have him but not that big of a deal.

That said, c'mon Shero.

 

[Gm0ney]

Facts are facts except when they don't agree with you.

It's not a scoring g title and one point is hardly the difference.

Well, Connor wasn't competing against Eichel - the poster was just pointing out that Eichel won the Hobey with fewer points than Connor the year before.

Connor was competing against Vesey though:

Connor, 19 years old, 38GP, 35g, 36a, 71p
Vesey, 23 years old, 33GP, 24g, 22a, 46p

A 4 year age gap and 25 point difference is fairly significant. Butt YMMV, as they say.

 

[halcyon]

Great point. I'm pretty uninformed and ignorant on the subject at the moment, so I'm wondering, were their contracts/rights situations the same? Vesey is the same case as Blake Wheeler with Phoenix right? Was Panarin the same situation? I'm curious.

Well their contracts/rights situations were the same in that both Panarin and Vesey have to sign two-year ELCs, so no team could win out simply by offering more money than another.

The difference being Panarin was undrafted so he didn't have to wait until August 16 to become a free agent.

 

[Breakers]

Well, Connor wasn't competing against Eichel - the poster was just pointing out that Eichel won the Hobey with fewer points than Connor the year before.

Connor was competing against Vesey though:

Connor, 19 years old, 38GP, 35g, 36a, 71p
Vesey, 23 years old, 33GP, 24g, 22a, 46p

A 4 year age gap and 25 point difference is fairly significant. Butt YMMV, as they say.

 

[nbducksfan19]

the ducks gonna get this guy or whatttt

 

[dracom]

the ducks gonna get this guy or whatttt

no chance in hell. Ducks will never get these high profile free agents.

 

[66-30-33]

Come to the Pens! we will trade Kunitz for you so you can play with Malkin and Rust.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

I would like to see how easily people forget Vesey if he signs with Devils! Best place to play under the radar if ignoring all other teams which aren't rumored.

have people "forgotten" about Cory Schneider? how about Taylor Hall? Kyle PAlmieri?

 

[Section32]

Many players want to play near the home, but not at home. Don't want all the friends and family at every game, hitting them up for money, suddenly wanting to be friends out of nowhere because you're famous, etc.

If you play in NYC and live in Connecticut or Westchester, it's a 2 to 2.5 hour ride home when you want to come for the weekend or Thanksgiving, but you don't need to deal with all the hassle of actually living at home. It's the reason a lot of New Yorkers will go to college on Long Island, in Upstate New York or in New Jersey: close enough to home, but far enough that the parents aren't on your @$$ 24/7.

Hockey players really don't commute when the general population does.

I will also say that NYC may be a media crazed city, but the hockey players live in general anonymity. Rarely does a player, even when hated by the fans (Tanner Glass) seem to have it bother them one iota.

It takes a generational turd (Wade Redden) for a player to feel the burn at MSG...

 

[KingWantsCup]

He's going to the Bruins. He dreamed of being drafted by the Bruins growing up. I really have a hard time believing he's not going there. There's probably very few of us that *wouldn't* choose our childhood hometown teams if any of us were in Vesey's shoes right now.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

He's going to the Bruins. He dreamed of being drafted by the Bruins growing up. I really have a hard time believing he's not going there. There's probably very few of us that *wouldn't* choose our childhood hometown teams if any of us were in Vesey's shoes right now.

Hometown teams don't mean anything if they did Stamkos would be captain of the Leafs today

 

[CanuckistanFlyerfan]

Page 6 of Part IV of a Jimmy Vesey thread? Holy over hype Batman.

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

have people "forgotten" about Cory Schneider? how about Taylor Hall? Kyle PAlmieri?

I'm not trying to pile on New Jersey you've had a team with more success than mine recently but Schneider isn't remembered because he's a Devil he's remembered because of the Vancouver goalie debacle, Hall hasn't even suited up for an NHL game as a Devil. Jimmy Vesey would definitely be in a quieter media market playing for NJ then he would playing for Boston (hometown boy makes good), Rangers ( big media presence) or Toronto (do I even need to justify this one?).

 

[BertCorbeau]

Page 6 of Part IV of a Jimmy Vesey thread? Holy over hype Batman.

More like it's August and there is nothing else to talk about

 

[Bread and Circuses]

Page 6 of Part IV of a Jimmy Vesey thread? Holy over hype Batman.

August on a popular hockey forum.

 

[KPower]

Hometown teams don't mean anything if they did Stamkos would be captain of the Leafs today

Totally different situations...Stamkos has lived in Tampa the last 7 years or so?

 

[Gardner McKay]

More like it's August and there is nothing else to talk about

Bingo.

 

[Ace]

So a day or two then.

And then he fades back to obsucurity and out of the spotlight forever.

Unless he picks my team. Then he's great.