If Nashville had really wanted Vesey so badly the could have made him a very generous offer in his draft year. He might have taken it then. Too little too late.
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If Nashville had really wanted Vesey so badly the could have made him a very generous offer in his draft year. He might have taken it then. Too little too late.
Why? Nashville does not own his rights, heck they traded them to the Sabers. If anyone gets compensation for Vesey signing elsewhere, should it not have been the team that actually held his rights prior to him bolting as a UFA? Nashville is lucky to have a third as they were certain not to sign Vesey.
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It has been a handful of days.
What do some of you want, a ceremony?
That ain't how it works in most cases. It is no different than any other kind of business with presentations of offers. They had their final presentations yesterday and are combing through all of the offers, doing a final weighing of each and will likely make a final decision at the same time as eliminating most if not all of the others. It is not an eliminate one after the other each day thing. It could be, but usually not. Usually the decision is made with all the proposals strewn across the conference table in your lawyer's office.
What do some of you want, a ceremony?
That ain't how it works in most cases. It is no different than any other kind of business with presentations of offers. They had their final presentations yesterday and are combing through all of the offers, doing a final weighing of each and will likely make a final decision at the same time as eliminating most if not all of the others. It is not an eliminate one after the other each day thing. It could be, but usually not. Usually the decision is made with all the proposals strewn across the conference table in your lawyer's office.
That would asinine.
Would it be professional courtesy to see to it that all draftees get contracts? cause they don't.
Professional courtesy to pay out buy outs in full? they don't.
Professional courtesy to not trade someone to wherever after you've promised them a future?
Bottom line is there are two sides to the coin. That is reality. That is business.
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As a Predator fan, they have tried to sign him for over 2 years at this point, but they were also respecting the NCAA process. I know they wanted to sign him as a sophmore, junior, and senior ....
It would be interesting if an NHL franchise had to offer a contract to every single player it drafts. I don't recommend that, but it would be the reciprocal obligation for those who think every amateur hockey player drafted should have to agree to accept a contract from the drafting franchise.
Of course, both premises are utterly ridiculous and neither premise could work.
The anti-Vesey crowd should collectively give your heads a good shake and clear out the cobwebs.
Of course, both premises are utterly ridiculous and neither premise could work.
The anti-Vesey crowd should collectively give your heads a good shake and clear out the cobwebs.
Jerzey Devil
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That's why I said I think they need to revisit this during the next cba. They can have a set compensation depending on where the defunct player was drafted. Something they can work out themselves. I just don't see how it's fair that the players are protected here but the franchise isn't at all. I mean I guess it's what they agreed to already it just doesn't seem even to me.
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Saw this one earlier....I wonder if Mr. HawkeyTalkMan has ever head of Mr. Bob Gainey?
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I like the premise, but You should have had to offer a max rookie deal. (ie 900 X 3). I think they already do that if you don't sign a 1st rounder. You get a pick in the 2nd.
Something along those lines.
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It has been a handful of days.
What do some of you want, a ceremony?
Yes. I want it done in Bachelorette style.
The player is not protected.
Go ask those players that never receive a contract offer.
Players come up dry all the time.
It's pretty rare that a franchise is not able to sign a player it wants to sign.
If you're thinking Vesey's rights are protected, ask yourself this: what if he had a career-ending injury? What would Nashville (or Buffalo) have owed him then?
Its collective bargaining. you cant look at it as one item standing alone.
For example.
the player gets protection as you say here. but the NHLPA will then give to the league buy outs at a discount.
See?
Everybody gets something. Everybody gives something. That's how it works.
Everything is negotiated. Item by item.
Clearly the league valued this much less than something else. That's how it got there. Nashville, Buffalo, NY, Boston, etc....agreed to this.
Jerzey Devil
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I mean all the details would have to be worked out by lawyers but I'm guessing only players that sign contracts would need compensation.
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"Generous offer" still would be limited to entry level max. And since he had plans to play for Harvard, he wouldn't have signed anyway. After signing, you are a pro and lose NCAA eligibility.
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I know right? Hilarious.
Jerzey Devil
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I guess that is the reality of bargaining at these levels. I just with one thing would have to do with the other but it's really whatever works.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought an NCAA player only becomes a UFA if he plays out his senior year?
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These debates could all be solved if the NCAA allowed its players to sign contracts but able to remain in college. That's really what it boils down to. Everyone would win.
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