Rumor: All Encompassing Jimmy Vesey Thread. All Rumors/News goes here. Part VI

[NewJackEdwards]

A team scouted him and decided to spend a draft pick on him. Believed in him. Just like what hundreds of other kids go through. And he thinks he should just get to decide where he wants to go? B.S. That's not how this works. You think guys from Manitoba like going and playing for a team in the south? No. They do it because that team had faith in them and they want to show them the faith was warranted.

This clown has shown that he cares about nothing other than himself. Humble? Give me a break. This is quite precisely the opposite of humble.

If you want to say "eh I don't care he can play", fine. But don't try to spin what he's doing here.

He doesn't think this. He knows it. Yes that's exactly how this works. Hate the CBA all you want but it's well within his rights to do it.

 

[SAADfather]

A team scouted him and decided to spend a draft pick on him. Believed in him. Just like what hundreds of other kids go through. And he thinks he should just get to decide where he wants to go? B.S. That's not how this works. You think guys from Manitoba like going and playing for a team in the south? No. They do it because that team had faith in them and they want to show them the faith was warranted.

This clown has shown that he cares about nothing other than himself. Humble? Give me a break. This is quite precisely the opposite of humble.

If you want to say "eh I don't care he can play", fine. But don't try to spin what he's doing here.

Actually that is exactly how the system works. Players that are not eligible for UFA have very little rights at all. Why blame the kid because he's exercising his one right as a player?

Cool, a team scouted and believed in him? He owes that team nothing until he signs his name in ink. It's not like he signed and he's trying to get out of a contract that he said he would honor.

 

[MayDay]

That's not normal. If he goes to any other league in the world, no one would tell him "but you can only play for team xyz". I thought slavery was done with the civil war in the USA. In a free world no one should be able to wield such power.

It's to keep the richest teams in the biggest, most attractive cities from monopolizing all the best players.

You know, the way it happens in all the big European soccer leagues.

It's good for league-wide competitiveness and parity.

 

[Eggtimer]

I always root for the under dog so hoping its Devils , Buffalo , Boston/Toronto,
I'd say all those teams need him the most , Rangers and Hawks are playoff locks for the most part and have made the playoffs for years in a row. Boston just missed out , so would be nice to see one of the three teams that haven't made the playoffs in the longest time get him and hopefully help them a little.

Having said that , that is probably why he won't sign with any of those 3 even though 2-3 years from now , the Sabers and Leafs and to some extend the Bruins should be very much improved

 

[TimeZone]

All he's saying is that those are the caliber of players we've missed out on, so it's not like we'd be getting franchise players from those picks.

Hypothetically even if you did select those players, Ho Sang and Beauvillier would be two of your best prospects. Not to mention 2015 (still far too early but these kids look good) had Aho, Dermott, Blackwood etc all left on the board.

2013 had some goodies too if you want to cherrypick (Theodore, Burakovsky, Petan, Shinkaruk)

 

[JT Kreider]

I always root for the under dog so hoping its Devils , Buffalo , Boston/Toronto,
I'd say all those teams need him the most , Rangers and Hawks are playoff locks for the most part and have made the playoffs for years in a row. Boston just missed out , so would be nice to see one of the three teams that haven't made the playoffs in the longest time get him and hopefully help them a little.

Having said that , that is probably why he won't sign with any of those 3 even though 2-3 years from now , the Sabres and Leafs and to some extend the Bruins should be very much improved

Because all those top draft picks haven't been helpful enough?

 

[Dreakon13]

That's not normal. If he goes to any other league in the world, no one would tell him "but you can only play for team xyz". I thought slavery was done with the civil war in the USA. In a free world no one should be able to wield such power.

If you work for a company, you have the freedom to say no to your employer. You have the freedom to leave the company if you don't like what they're asking of you. They also have the freedom to fire you for being insubordinate. Having a job isn't a right.

 

[ChiHawks10]

this is great

He's just mad that Vesey may end up in a Hawks sweater by the end of the weekend.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Again, same logic. He's free to play for whatever league he wants to apply for but if he chooses the NHL, they have a process to determine which location he starts at.

Let's use that logic. Say there's a hotshot law prodigy coming out of Harvard that would be coveted by any firm. You think that coming out of school, one firm should have exclusive rights to him for years without his consent?

 

[PB37]

The middle one. Which tends to turn into the last one.

It's Vee-zee, per the NCAA pronunciation guide. It's also how the locals pronounce it too.

 

[Liferleafer]

Not enough Leaf talk in here...blah blah Mathews....blah blah Babcock...prospects....Lou...c'mon Jimmy, TO awaits you!!

 

[PemIceKing]

he said it on twitter

At 1:13pm Eklund tweeted "For what it's worth, my guess would be Chicago for Vesey. Some teams finding out they are out I am hearing".

As I said he has no idea. In his podcast (Hockeybuzz) at 1:40pm today l, he and his guests state they have no idea where he is signing.

 

[TimeZone]

Those are the players that were taken with the 2013, 14 and 15 first rounders we traded.

And at least we've hit on every first rounder we've had 09-12. All of them are legit NHL players. How many teams can say that? Some teams still have players drafted from those years in their prospect pools.

And we can just pretend Zuccarello was our 2013 1st round pick and Hayes our 2014.

And Vesey our 2016

That would only make me more upset about trading the picks.

 

[EpicDing]

Hypothetically even if you did select those players, Ho Sang and Beauvillier would be two of your best prospects. Not to mention 2015 (still far too early but these kids look good) had Aho, Dermott, Blackwood etc all left on the board.

2013 had some goodies too if you want to cherrypick (Theodore, Burakovsky, Petan, Shinkaruk)

Yeah don't get me wrong, I'd prefer to have the picks, but we haven't done too bad at all without them, still some decent guys in the system (Kovacs, Graves, Shestyorkin, Buchnevich I think will all make it)

 

[tfriede2]

That's not normal. If he goes to any other league in the world, no one would tell him "but you can only play for team xyz". I thought slavery was done with the civil war in the USA. In a free world no one should be able to wield such power.

Comparing playing hockey in the NHL to slavery - classy.

 

[Eggtimer]

Devils picked 4th (by winning lottery) and 9th , no game changing talent at those spots .
It just sucks that one team has an advantage over another just because of the city it's located in , yes it is jealousy
I like the parity that is in the league right now , but hate how Panarin went to the Hawks.
i don't blame him , it's perfectly legal and within the rules , but just leaves a sour taste in my mouth how it works.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

So if a team drafts a player and eventually trades him, are they being selfish?

I am just trying to follow the logic here.

 

[ChiHawks10]

So if a team drafts a player and eventually trades him, are they being selfish?

I am just trying to follow the logic here.

I don't really think there's been a lot of it so far...

 

[Gee Wally]

A team scouted him and decided to spend a draft pick on him. Believed in him. Just like what hundreds of other kids go through. And he thinks he should just get to decide where he wants to go? B.S. That's not how this works. You think guys from Manitoba like going and playing for a team in the south? No. They do it because that team had faith in them and they want to show them the faith was warranted.

This clown has shown that he cares about nothing other than himself. Humble? Give me a break. This is quite precisely the opposite of humble.

If you want to say "eh I don't care he can play", fine. But don't try to spin what he's doing here.

You can not be further from the truth.
Guess who agreed to his right to do this.....tada !....Nashville.

See , they and 29 others engage in collective bargaining....since you know, slavery is against the law....in that bargaining both sides give and get things.

This is one of them.

Now if this was really, really important to teams they'd offer for something in return.

Its a business. FACT.

Its a business.

No different than when a player who is drafted and reports but a team decides , you know what we don't want you and doesn't give him a contract. Or when a buy out comes and a players has given his best years gets bought out at a discount and not his full contract.

You may want to read the CBA someday. Any CBA.

 

[JT Kreider]

Devils picked 4th (by winning lottery) and 9th , no game changing talent at those spots .
It just sucks that one team has an advantage over another just because of the city it's located in , yes it is jealousy
I like the parity that is in the league right now , but hate how Panarin went to the Hawks.
i don't blame him , it's perfectly legal and within the rules , but just leaves a sour taste in my mouth how it works.

Is it really the city itself though? The Knicks weren't able to attract any of the big time FA's that hit the market since LeBron first went to Miami.

 

[JustABlackhawksFan]

Devils picked 4th (by winning lottery) and 9th , no game changing talent at those spots .
It just sucks that one team has an advantage over another just because of the city it's located in , yes it is jealousy
I like the parity that is in the league right now , but hate how Panarin went to the Hawks.
i don't blame him , it's perfectly legal and within the rules , but just leaves a sour taste in my mouth how it works.

Panarin is not a good example here. He was undrafted, so any team could have had him way earlier if they had wanted.

 

[ghdi]

Devils picked 4th (by winning lottery) and 9th , no game changing talent at those spots .
ks.

How do you figure this?

The Devils took Larsson at 4th and we turned him into Taylor Hall. Even had we kept Larsson that's still a potential cornerstone talent. The book is just still being written.

The Devils traded 9th overall and turned that into Cory Schneider.

Game changing talent in those spots.

 

[Moskau]

What Vesey is doing is pretty common in the other major sports. Except in those sports they don't even wait 4 years to do it and are often guys drafted much higher than him.

 

[Jerzey Devil]

I do think it's reasonable that whoever signs Vesey gives Nashville some sort of compensation. Something they should think about for the next cba.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

I don't really think there's been a lot of it so far...

If Toews said "I will never play for the Hawks" after being drafted, you would not be singing this tune.