Rumor: All Encompassing Jimmy Vesey Thread. All Rumors/News goes here. Part VI

[EpicDing]

I do think it's reasonable that whoever signs Vesey gives Nashville some sort of compensation. Something they should think about for the next cba.

If anyone should get compensation it's Buffalo, they owned his rights. Nashville already got a 3rd roumder out of the situation.

 

[Eggtimer]

Is it really the city itself though? The Knicks weren't able to attract any of the big time FA's that hit the market.

I guess only to a certain extent. Quality of roster and recent winning seasons of course plays into it.
If I had a choice of either Winnipeg or NY though if both were equal in the standings and talent wise , it would be a no brainer

 

[Tim Vezina Thomas]

I do think it's reasonable that whoever signs Vesey gives Nashville some sort of compensation. Something they should think about for the next cba.

I tend to agree woith you, but to play devils advocate why wasn't he signed earlier in the process? If he didn't want to sign, why not do better due diligence to see if Nashville would be a place he'd like to play in deciding whether to draft him?

 

[AtlantaWhaler]

It's Vee-zee, per the NCAA pronunciation guide. It's also how the locals pronounce it too.

Ah. Well then it's the last one which tends to turn into the middle one.

 

[Nemec]

I do think it's reasonable that whoever signs Vesey gives Nashville some sort of compensation. Something they should think about for the next cba.

The Devils will give next season's 31st pick (assuming Vegas gets a pick).

 

[Coach Parker]

Brian Leetch says hi.

Did he win multiple cups? Why is he saying hi then?

 

[ghdi]

I do think it's reasonable that whoever signs Vesey gives Nashville some sort of compensation. Something they should think about for the next cba.

Nashville did get something for him. They got a 3rd round pick from Buffalo. Buffalo are the ones who will get nothing if he signs elsewhere. Nashville got out when they could.

 

[Mcnotloilersfan]

The Devils will give next season's 31st pick (assuming Vegas gets a pick).

Vegas does have picks. Which makes your 2nd rounder the 32nd pick

 

[ChiHawks10]

If Toews said "I will never play for the Hawks" after being drafted, you would not be singing this tune.

Yeah, I would. Because I can do nothing to change it. It's a right given to the players in the CBA, the same CBA that all the teams and players bargained for... I wouldn't be happy about it, but the logic behind it wouldn't completely escape me like it has for so many...

 

[Jerzey Devil]

If anyone should get compensation it's Buffalo, they owned his rights. Nashville already got a 3rd roumder out of the situation.

Good point. I just think it's fair that the team that loses out on the player in this kind of situation gets compensated in some way. If it's fair that players have the option to become a free agent after college even after being drafted then there has to be a way to protect the draft pick itself by the team who drafted them.

 

[JT Kreider]

I guess only to a certain extent. Quality of roster and recent winning seasons of course plays into it.
If I had a choice of either Winnipeg or NY though if both were equal in the standings and talent wise , it would be a no brainer

Definitely true. But at the same time look at the two states of the Jets and Rangers franchise.

The Jets have probably the brightest future on paper of any team in the NHL, while everyone on this site thinks the Rangers are finito. So it's a blessing and a curse. Though at the same time the Rangers haven't been active in free agency at all since Richards in the summer of 2011.

 

[NewJackEdwards]

If anyone should get compensation it's Buffalo, they owned his rights. Nashville already got a 3rd roumder out of the situation.

I don't think anyone should be compensated.

 

[SAADfather]

If Toews said "I will never play for the Hawks" after being drafted, you would not be singing this tune.

Uh what? Vesey is no where near the caliber of prospect Toews was. And uh do you not remember Kevin Hayes?

Man the posts in here are amusing.

 

[JT Kreider]

Did he win multiple cups? Why is he saying hi then?

I didn't exactly mean elite players had to have been multiple Cup champions with Conn Smythe and Hart Trophys in order to be truly elite. It got lost in translation when the convo switched over to sustained success.

I was pointing to the generational franchise changing talent. Which is what Kane, Toews, Crosby and Malkin are IMO. Obviously not limited to those four guys but they are the cream of the crop. Which are for the most part only available at the top of the draft. Which was the point of my OP.

Bergeron is probably the next best thing. Whatever category you want to put him in.

 

[ghdi]

I don't think anyone should be compensated.

I don't either. It's a silly suggestion.

The CBA provides the option for college players to go this route if they wish. Guys like Vesey, Schultz, and Wheeler were all within their rights to exercise this option. If the drafting team can't get a deal done than they need to make the right decision for their franchise.

Until the CBA is changed, there is no compensation. No team is giving Buffalo something out of guilt.

 

[Savant]

There certainly is. It's called professional courtesy. He has nothing to lose by telling a team they are out. Nothing at all. Do you think the Blackhawks will renege on something because Fish tells them that the Islanders are off the list? It's rumored that at least a few of these teams could be waiting on Vesey's decision before going after Hudler. I'm sure they would appreciate a phone call when Vesey takes them off his list. There's zero reason to string them around until the 11th hour.

I don't buy that at all. It would have been a professional courtesy to sign with the team that drafted him like 98% of the players in the league do. No way.

 

[Ciao]

Not true.

The NHL is the company, and each city has it's own franchise. He can play hockey any league (company) he wants but if he wants to play in the NHL, they tell him where he has to start.

This is asinine.

An NHL player's employer is not the NHL, but the NHL franchise with which he is employed. There is no employment contract between the player and the NHL.

There is a CBA between the NHLPA and the NHL that specifies the rules under which NHL franchises can retain the exclusive bargaining rights to unsigned players for specified periods of time. Those rights don't last forever -- nor should they -- and the CBA is clear that Vesey is free agent.

Anything beyond that outside of the CBA would be an unlawful restraint of trade.

I don't know what's so hard to understand about this.

 

[Eggtimer]

What is going to entertaining us when it's announced where he is signing , the posts that are going to be made on how he is nothing great anyways and how stupid/greedy he is for picking that team lol

NJ ? Really ? Oh well at least he will learn how to play the trap !

Toronto ? Have fun not making the playoffs and enjoy Bozak as your C!

Buffalo ? Pfft of course he would pick playing with his buddy Eichel ! Even I could put up 59 points playing with him , good luck on playoffs !

Rangers? They are on the downswing , only wanted to be in the big apple to party with his buddies

Bruins ? Good thing mommy and daddy there to take care of you

Hawks ? Yup the rich get richer , just hang onto Toews and Kane's coat tails and get your free Cup

 

[EpicDing]

I don't think anyone should be compensated.

Neither do I, just pointing out that it should be Buffalo if anyone.

 

[Profet]

Did he win multiple cups? Why is he saying hi then?

Stanley Cup, World Cup, Calder Trophy, Norris Trophy, Conn Smythe Trophy.

I'd say that's an elite/generational talent picked in the top 10 of the draft.

 

[Gee Wally]

Good point. I just think it's fair that the team that loses out on the player in this kind of situation gets compensated in some way. If it's fair that players have the option to become a free agent after college even after being drafted then there has to be a way to protect the draft pick itself by the team who drafted them.

again....we go right back to square one..this is reality....business.....fair really doesn't count...

so lets say your scenario what should happen. What are you willing to give up?

How about since college kids give up freedom , players get to be UFA after their ELC expires?

Or buy outs have to be paid in full and not at discount?

Or you name something. But again we are in the real world. So nothing here is free.

 

[ChiHawks10]

What is going to entertaining us when it's announced where he is signing , the posts that are going to be made on how he is nothing great anyways and how stupid/greedy he is for picking that team lol

NJ ? Really ? Oh well at least he will learn how to play the trap !

Toronto ? Have fun not making the playoffs and enjoy Bozak as your C!

Buffalo ? Pfft of course he would pick playing with his buddy Eichel ! Even I could put up 59 points playing with him , good luck on playoffs !

Rangers? They are on the downswing , only wanted to be in the big apple to party with his buddies

Bruins ? Good thing mommy and daddy there to take care of you

Hawks ? Yup the rich get richer , just hang onto Toews and Kane's coat tails and get your free Cup

This is pretty much exactly how I expect it to go.

 

[Jerzey Devil]

I tend to agree woith you, but to play devils advocate why wasn't he signed earlier in the process? If he didn't want to sign, why not do better due diligence to see if Nashville would be a place he'd like to play in deciding whether to draft him?

I guess those interviews during the combines are more important than some GM's think/thought. Maybe some GM's just think players will eventually learn to like where they play. It's hard enough for some of the small market teams to attract players so I guess sometimes they just have to take a chance on someone.

 

[kmwtrucks]

I do think it's reasonable that whoever signs Vesey gives Nashville some sort of compensation. Something they should think about for the next cba.

The problem is there are many 3rd rounder's that never sign because they are not good enough? What if Vesey was not a NHL player and Nashville did not want to sign him, should they get compensation for drafting poorly?

 

[Moskau]

What is going to entertaining us when it's announced where he is signing , the posts that are going to be made on how he is nothing great anyways and how stupid/greedy he is for picking that team lol

NJ ? Really ? Oh well at least he will learn how to play the trap !

Toronto ? Have fun not making the playoffs and enjoy Bozak as your C!

Buffalo ? Pfft of course he would pick playing with his buddy Eichel ! Even I could put up 59 points playing with him , good luck on playoffs !

Rangers? They are on the downswing , only wanted to be in the big apple to party with his buddies

Bruins ? Good thing mommy and daddy there to take care of you

Hawks ? Yup the rich get richer , just hang onto Toews and Kane's coat tails and get your free Cup

Buffalo will be the most entertaining.

"Idiots wasted a 3rd round pick on a guy they were going to get anyways."

"Why did this moron kid waste everyone's time if he was going to sign with Buffalo all along? He could have did this 45 days ago. Attention *****."