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Rumor: All Encompassing Jimmy Vesey Thread. All Rumors/News goes here. Part VI
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Sign and trade to Nashville
That would be the greatest thing to ever happen in hockey.
Gardner McKay
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Me thinks that if Staple had said that CHI and TOR or TOR and NYR are still in it, this post wouldn't exist.
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There are no sources yet. Any media member who uses terms like "in the mix," "sweepsakes," "contenders," or any other vague terms like these are not reporting from a legitimate source. The Vesey "camp" is not large and has no reason to leak anything to anyone, except possibly obfuscation.
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Sign and trade to Nashville
Please yes. Wherever he signs, immediate trade to NSH.
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Leaf fan hoping for the Hawks. If he doens't come to TO, then I would prefer him out of the east. Better then Buffalo. They were pretty smug once the deal went down. Hard to argue against picking Chicago. Great team & city. He could blend in. Pressure would be on top dogs, not him. Only downside is likely getting traded once they can't afford him.
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That's possible, but I'm not sure how available such information would be. Seems highly speculative.
Really kind of interesting that its between Chicago and NYR since they are really kind of oppositely structured via the roster
Throw crawford/lundqvist out as a wash for performance/expectations sake (both expected to produce a .920+ sv pct and have strong playoff performances)
NYR is really a near disaster on the blue line but their forwards are pretty set and dont show much availability for Vesey to play in the top 9 wingers with NYR already having Hayes/Miller (depending on who plays 3C or not) Kreider, Nash,Zuccarello, Grabner, Fast, Gerbe. He would definitely have to step into the NHL and beat out a bunch of those guys, which may not be an easy task as AV has a tendency to prefer veterans over rookies.
Chicago on the other hand has revamped their blue line and no longer really needs help there but has some obvious holes, namely at 1LW and 4C. 4C doesnt apply to Vesey and while nobody is penciling him in at 1LW, thats what Chicago will dangle and point to in order to entice him to sign (whether you agree he belongs in that spot of not, i would argue not)
I think if the rumors its down to Chicago and NYR, I would make an educated guess that Chicago lands him only for the fact that they have a more readily apparent spot on the roster for him where as NYR is a little more gray and he will have to beat out veterans for a top 9 spot and win over a traditionally tough on rookies AV
Throw crawford/lundqvist out as a wash for performance/expectations sake (both expected to produce a .920+ sv pct and have strong playoff performances)
NYR is really a near disaster on the blue line but their forwards are pretty set and dont show much availability for Vesey to play in the top 9 wingers with NYR already having Hayes/Miller (depending on who plays 3C or not) Kreider, Nash,Zuccarello, Grabner, Fast, Gerbe. He would definitely have to step into the NHL and beat out a bunch of those guys, which may not be an easy task as AV has a tendency to prefer veterans over rookies.
Chicago on the other hand has revamped their blue line and no longer really needs help there but has some obvious holes, namely at 1LW and 4C. 4C doesnt apply to Vesey and while nobody is penciling him in at 1LW, thats what Chicago will dangle and point to in order to entice him to sign (whether you agree he belongs in that spot of not, i would argue not)
I think if the rumors its down to Chicago and NYR, I would make an educated guess that Chicago lands him only for the fact that they have a more readily apparent spot on the roster for him where as NYR is a little more gray and he will have to beat out veterans for a top 9 spot and win over a traditionally tough on rookies AV
After looking at past Hobey Baker winning seniors, and his point totals against NCAA teams last Season (1 goal, 5 points in 10 GP) I will lose no sleep if Vesey goes to another team.
HarrisonFord
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Oh, you're absolutely right
I'd be saying "yo, Staples is connected and **** and he's coming to Toronto!!!" - but that's just because I'm a homer and a bit of an *******. His accuracy wouldn't be changed though just because I'd want it to be
Don't know why NYR would be his choice looking at it form any angle.
They are a team that doesn't score a lot (which won't bode well for his point totals/next contract)
Their cap situation isn't great with Staal and Girardi wasting lots of space for a long time coming
They rely heavily on a goalie who is starting to get up there in years and will have a rough go of it if/when he slows down.
I get it from a city perspective, to be young in New York would be fun, but from a hockey perspective it makes no sense.
They are a team that doesn't score a lot (which won't bode well for his point totals/next contract)
Their cap situation isn't great with Staal and Girardi wasting lots of space for a long time coming
They rely heavily on a goalie who is starting to get up there in years and will have a rough go of it if/when he slows down.
I get it from a city perspective, to be young in New York would be fun, but from a hockey perspective it makes no sense.
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Unless Vesey and his agents have started telling teams that they are out of the running and that information is leaking out.
I'll still wait for official word, but I definitely don't have high hopes.
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The hawks have a 1LW they just play him on the 2nd line. the real interesting thing would be if they move Pan and Kane on different lines. If they actually follow thru and put Hossa on the 3rd line with Kruger they are going to have 2 guys on the top 6 that are probably slotted to high but with Kane and Pan on there oppiste wing my guess is those lines will produce and make who ever that is look a little better then they really are.
Tawnos
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Vesey is an LW.
The Rangers LWs are Nash/Zuccarello (only one of them, the other will be RW), Kreider, Grabner, Jensen/Hrivik/Glass.
In other words, the Rangers have a big gaping hole at 3LW, which is perfect for Vesey.
And AV's toughness on rookies is overblown. Yeah, he believes in tough love, but if you perform, you play.
I feel like the Rangers move a forward before the season, regardless of if they get Vesey or not. I see it as, if we get Vesey:
Kreider-Stepan-Nash
Miller-Zib-Zucc
Vesey-Hayes-Buchnevich
Grabner-Jooris-Fast
With Lindberg out until at least November.
Irishguy42
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7th in GF last season, and the cap situation is actually not that bad.
And considering that AV rolls the top-9 pretty evenly, it's not like Vesey would be starved of ice time.
HarrisonFord
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Incorrect. Try again
Literally scored 1 less goal than the Blackhawks last year, good enough for 7th in the league in Goals for.
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I'm not sure either. It could be entirely speculative or he could have heard something from someone he trusts, and even that person might be wrong. We'll find out soon enough.
If Chicago is pitching 1LW and NYR is pitching 3LW, I cant see NYR winning that battle
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