Rumor: All Encompassing Jimmy Vesey Thread. All Rumors/News goes here. Part V

[WreckItRask]

Most of this process is not really Vesey and his agents fault except for one, this pitch procedure

Making 6-7 teams fly out to Boston to formally present their idea and parade team captains and star power to woo him. Thats the joke of all this.

He should be processing this like any normal UFA on July 1. Take calls, see what they have to offer, make a decision in a couple days if needed.

Others have replied the obvious response that he's not forcing any team to do anything...they're making that choice. But beyond that truth, the other difference between Vesey and "any normal UFA" is $$$$. A typical UFA can virtually eliminate a bunch of offers based on the value of those offers, but Vesey can only choose from offers that have the same dollar amounts. All 30 NHL teams can offer him basically the same contract in terms of value, so these teams have to appeal to him in other ways.

By the way, all the posters calling him a spoiled brat, etc., are clearly people that have never had the luxury of holding leverage in their professional careers. 90% of your professional career your employer is going to hold most of the cards, but in those rare circumstances where you possess some leverage, you'd be a fool not to take advantage of that. What if he's not a bonafide NHL contributor in 3 years? Do you think his NHL team is going to blindly show "loyalty" towards him on his 2nd contract? This is a business transaction, and it works both ways. Whatever club signs him immediately gains all the leverage....they can trade him, bury him in the minors, etc.

Are all the "loyalty" preachers going to come to the defense of the player the next time they get sent down to the AHL on a one way deal? Nope. they'll rejoice in the fact that an underperforming player is getting buried in the minors. It's the GM's right to do so, as per the collectively bargained CBA. Sound familiar?

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

I don't understand how some seem to judge how he will be in the NHL just by looking at his numbers, and not thinking about other factors.

 

[Leafidelity]

I'll never understand the kind of people that seem to be offended by the only hockey story in the middle of August.

 

[HawkeyTalkMan]

He didn't play a single game in the AHL that year and had 45 points. You never know...

Oh I am not disputing what resulted with Hayes or what will/could happen with Vesey, it just seems more people are sold that Vesey is ready to skip over the AHL more than people were on Hayes

 

[SI90]

Are people really mad at Vesey? It's his right to chose whee he wants to play and to give teams the opportunity to recruit him. He's going to make the best decision possible for himself. It's not his fault teams seem to really want him and are bringing in players to help pitch to him.

 

[SEALBound]

I'll never understand the kind of people that seem to be offended by the only hockey story in the middle of August.

I think the fans that are offended are fans of teams that don't get to interview with Vesey.

 

[Erndog]

I wonder if this is going to be like a game of musical chairs?

Later tonight or tomorrow we are going to start getting reports:

"I've been told the Isles are OUT of the Vesey sweepstakes..." followed by "We're hearing the Blackhawks have been told that Vesey will not be signing with them."

Get 4-5 reports like that spread out over a few days... will leave 2 teams dancing for that final chair.

If you remember, thats sort of how it played out with Justin Schultz (Ottawa and Edm the last 2).

 

[HockeyGuruPitka]

I love when NCAA picks walk because it always reveals the uppity snobs around here who feel the need to judge players for taking advantage of their own rights. The platitudinous nonsense about "paying your dues" and "owing it to the team that drafts you" gets me every time. Oh, and the predictable parade of people who say "Is this saga over yet?" even though there was never any saga in the first place.

The same people that are in this thread clicking refresh every 36 seconds.

 

[Brooklyndevil]

Shero just needed to bring Fitzgerald and Kerfoot probably called.

 

[Stud Muffin]

pretty much the same. As was Schultz. it happens all the time

No. The Schultz free agency had way more hype then this. Hayes was free agency was smaller than this.

 

[Reddawg]

Begs the question of what Taylor Hall could possibly tell anyone about playing for New Jersey.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Begs the question of what Taylor Hall could possibly tell anyone about playing for New Jersey.

the same things Auston Matthews could tell him about playing in Toronto?

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Begs the question of what Taylor Hall could possibly tell anyone about playing for New Jersey.

Exactly it's not like he's played a single game there or any thing like that. Need to have some one other then Hall to sell your pitch to Vesey for the Devils.

 

[Tretyak 20]

Begs the question of what Taylor Hall could possibly tell anyone about playing for New Jersey.

Perhaps "It's what I'll be doing for the next 4 or more years"? If they wanted to bring someone who's already played in NJ they could bring Schneider along. He was also at the same event with Hall, and is from Marble Head.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

the same things Auston Matthews could tell him about playing in Toronto?

Excellent points on both counts, Matthews shouldn't be a spokes person for Toronto. As Hall shouldn't be a spokes person for New Jersey.

 

[njdevil26]

If I'm the Devils, I would bring Hall, Henrique, and Elias.

 

[LeveilleFan19]

If I'm the Devils, I would bring Hall, Henrique, and Elias.

For the Bruins it's Bergeron, Chara, Orr, Neely, Bucyk, and so on. You're home...bring in all the guns.

 

[Over the volcano]

Begs the question of what Taylor Hall could possibly tell anyone about playing for New Jersey.

Other than you'll be competing with me for a left wing slot.

 

[Group Chat Legend*]

I would say so.

Panarin was also hyped a lot. Man...did that kid deliver.

On a line with the MVP of the league. When he wasnt with Kane his production dropped more than half.

Not to say the kid isnt going to be real good - but he has had one season in the NHL and folks are already claiming he is a top 5 LW. Which he is not - one season doesnt get you past others who have done it for years.

 

[JZCislesHockey]

John Tavares is in Boston for the Islanders' meeting with Vesey.

 

[Mad Brills*]

Whatever happens, this board will melt.

 

[Irishguy42]

John Tavares is in Boston for the Islanders' meeting with Vesey.

Islanders had their meeting yesterday, so this is new news too late.

 

[Devilswede]

Other than you'll be competing with me for a left wing slot.

No he wouldn't. Hall is a star in this league. He doesn't need to compete with a rookie.

Hall is the best skater on the Devils now.

The Devils would probably send Cory Schneider, arguably the best goalie in the world. He's also from Boston, so he knows how close it is and what it's like to play for the Devils.

 

[Rebels57]

On a line with the MVP of the league. When he wasnt with Kane his production dropped more than half.

Not to say the kid isnt going to be real good - but he has had one season in the NHL and folks are already claiming he is a top 5 LW. Which he is not - one season doesnt get you past others who have done it for years.

Don't read the thread about the Sports Illustrated top #1 centers.

 

[Stephen Gionta]

Assuming Vesey is slotted as the 2nd line LW on any team he signs with, what are legit expectations for this season?

I'll say
15 goals, 20 assists for 35 points.

Somewhere in that range - maybe more like 30-35 points