Rumor: All Encompassing Jimmy Vesey Thread. All Rumors/News goes here. Part V

[Randy Randerson]

You should do some research before posting.

Buffalo had the #1 prospect pool prior to the 2015 draft. Now they don't, because a bunch of those players are on the team. eg: Buffalo has enough quality wingers to go three deep on scoring lines.

Speaking of which, they also have the centers to do so. It's not just Eichel. O'Reilly in an All-Star, and in won't be long before Reinhart gets to that level.

Eichel/Reinhart will be the two superstars.

That guys posts have been incredibly NYR homerist in this thread, lots of "NY will win because NY is the best and everyone knows it, no supporting material for what I've just said"

I'm a leaf fan, and will absolutely acknowledge that Buffalo's U23 team is looking studly and should already have all the building blocks you need to be a contender in the future and I think the leafs are moving the same direction

If it were me, I choose either Buffalo or Toronto over NYR, and Chicago, Pittsburgh or NYI because there's slots open next to star players that inflate stats

Side note, I don't want Buffalo to sign Vesey, I like the potential symmetry of the Buff-Tor rivalry

Eichel-Matthews
Reinhart-Marner
Nylander-Nylander
Ristolainen-Rielly
O'Reilly-Kadri
Okposo-JVR

alot has to go right but would be a ton of fun to watch for a decade

 

[Irishguy42]

If you're looking at GeneralFanager, keep in mind that its currently showing a full 23 man roster.

Signing Vesey and keeping him in the NHL means another player goes down.. which will automatically open up enough cap space.

I was stipulating without any other moves made aside from Dupuis, but yes, they could make room by sending another down before the regular season starts.

 

[Fitzy]

There is so much for me to dispute that. NYR has a core of what, McDonagh, Stepan, Zucc and Hank? 1 good defenseman, a great but seriously aging goalie(on the decline) and 2 good-very good forwards. Also there's the thing about next to no prospect depth. Which you need in today's NHL.


Boston beats that easy with Bergeron, Krejci, Marchand, Krug, Backes, Rask. Chara, while aging and obviously not the freak of a stud D he once was, is still quite capable of providing #2 level defense and offense.

Name-dropping isn't an argument. Look at where the two teams have finished the past two seasons.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

Name-dropping isn't an argument. Look at where the two teams have finished the past two seasons.

When one is projecting the future it's quite the argument.

 

[Eric Sachs]

I was stipulating without any other moves made aside from Dupuis, but yes, they could make room by sending another down before the regular season starts.

my point is they would HAVE to send someone down if they sign Vesey, regardless what happens with Dupuis or the salary cap.

you can only carry a 23 man roster.

 

[Der Jaeger]

That guys posts have been incredibly NYR homerist in this thread, lots of "NY will win because NY is the best and everyone knows it, no supporting material for what I've just said"

I'm a leaf fan, and will absolutely acknowledge that Buffalo's U23 team is looking studly and should already have all the building blocks you need to be a contender in the future and I think the leafs are moving the same direction

If it were me, I choose either Buffalo or Toronto over NYR, and Chicago, Pittsburgh or NYI because there's slots open next to star players that inflate stats

Side note, I don't want Buffalo to sign Vesey, I like the potential symmetry of the Buff-Tor rivalry

Eichel-Matthews
Reinhart-Marner
Nylander-Nylander
Ristolainen-Rielly
O'Reilly-Kadri
Okposo-JVR

alot has to go right but would be alot of fun to watch for a decade

Off topic for the thread, but exactly. Neither Buffalo nor Toronto wanted each other to get Stamkos or Vesey, because it throws things off. Both teams have future 1-2-3 depth at center with star power, and a legit future #1 D.

Now they have the biggest two Swedish goalies in the league, as well.

 

[JustABlackhawksFan]

Not that this means anything really, but:



No idea how credible that guy is.

But apparently Vesey's agent said Vesey prefers to be "under the radar" (notwithstanding how above the radar he is currently)... so based on that, it seems he wouldn't mind being a "small fish in a bigger pond."

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Off topic for the thread, but exactly. Neither Buffalo nor Toronto wanted each other to get Stamkos or Vesey, because it throws things off. Both teams have future 1-2-3 depth at center with star power, and a legit future #1 D.

Now they have the biggest two Swedish goalies in the league, as well.

 

[Randy Randerson]

Off topic for the thread, but exactly. Neither Buffalo nor Toronto wanted each other to get Stamkos or Vesey, because it throws things off. Both teams have future 1-2-3 depth at center with star power, and a legit future #1 D.

Now they have the biggest two Swedish goalies in the league, as well.

I think either of those prospect pools warrant consideration from someone looking for a Northeastern team if they're willing to wait to contend, which at 23 I think Vesey would be as long as he thought he would play top 6 and have good line mates

And it seems like he's been pretty vocal about his love of Boston, if I remember right, Bostoners dislike NY for some reason...probably pops the balloon of choosing NYR on anything but the team's merit. With Nash fading and Lundqvist aging, I think the Rangers are a year away from starting a rebuild

 

[Group Chat Legend*]

Makes the most sense for the kid to go somewhere that is becoming competitive; not a Chicago

 

[Trapper]

When one is projecting the future it's quite the argument.

Yes you have to consider the future.
8 teams make the playoffs. The balance of power will shift at some point.
Boston has just missed the past 2 years. If they make it, who is out?
Montreal missed last year. Add a healthy Price. Add Weber. Somebody is out. Who's team is it?
Ottawa missed.
Also teams like Buffalo,Jersey,Carolina are getting better. Who of the 8 will they be replacing?
The past is great to talk about but we live for the future.

 

[JustABlackhawksFan]

Makes the most sense for the kid to go somewhere that is becoming competitive; not a Chicago

Or, he could go somewhere that is already competitive.

 

[EpicDing]

I think either of those prospect pools warrant consideration from someone looking for a Northeastern team if they're willing to wait to contend, which at 23 I think Vesey would be as long as he thought he would play top 6 and have good line mates

And it seems like he's been pretty vocal about his love of Boston, if I remember right, Bostoners dislike NY for some reason...probably pops the balloon of choosing NYR on anything but the team's merit. With Nash fading and Lundqvist aging, I think the Rangers are a year away from starting a rebuild

I'm thinking more of a retool on the fly for the Rangers. Forwards are fine, Hank will likely hold up until we have a prospect (Shestyorkin, Halverson, Skapski, Huska, Hellberg) ready to take over. If they can fix the defense there won't be a long period of failure.

A+ username btw

 

[Big Ed]

Off topic for the thread, but exactly. Neither Buffalo nor Toronto wanted each other to get Stamkos or Vesey, because it throws things off. Both teams have future 1-2-3 depth at center with star power, and a legit future #1 D.

Now they have the biggest two Swedish goalies in the league, as well.

Andersen is Danish.

 

[Randy Randerson]

Makes the most sense for the kid to go somewhere that is becoming competitive; not a Chicago

Chicago's core is all still in their prime age, maybe save for Duncan Keith who's still putting up big numbers. I think that situation and Pittsburgh, who are both in the "go for it" mode look pretty good because there's space for him to play on scoring lines and the team mates would be good enough to make him look good/put up numbers. If he scores big points and can't afford his next contract, he'll get traded somewhere else but still make the big money

I think Panarin's situation last year was pretty similar, he was being courted by a bunch of teams but chose to slot into a contender's top 6

 

[Der Jaeger]

Under the new goalie equipment regs, only two goalies are legitimately allowed to wear XL pants: Lehner and Andersson.

Andersen is Danish.

Sweden once owned Denmark, no? Trying to do a couple things at once.

 

[Dijock94]

I think either of those prospect pools warrant consideration from someone looking for a Northeastern team if they're willing to wait to contend, which at 23 I think Vesey would be as long as he thought he would play top 6 and have good line mates

And it seems like he's been pretty vocal about his love of Boston, if I remember right, Bostoners dislike NY for some reason...probably pops the balloon of choosing NYR on anything but the team's merit. With Nash fading and Lundqvist aging, I think the Rangers are a year away from starting a rebuild

Not necessarily. The Rangers have had a lot of Boston area players that love the city.

Kreider just signed long term

Hayes chose the Rangers

Yandle from all accounts loved it

Brian Boyle loves NY but wanted a bigger role

That being said if I was Vesey the only reason I would want to play for the Rangers is to live in Manhattan, other than that there are better fits for him.

 

[Randy Randerson]

I'm thinking more of a retool on the fly for the Rangers. Forwards are fine, Hank will likely hold up until we have a prospect (Shestyorkin, Halverson, Skapski, Huska, Hellberg) ready to take over. If they can fix the defense there won't be a long period of failure.

A+ username btw

Ya I didn't mean to trash the Rangers, that Beacon guy's posts were just arrogant with no support.

I think the Rangers need a core/star forward to come from somewhere, I love the Zibanejad pickup but I don't think he'll quite get to the level of an elite center. If you can find a superstar-upside forward prospect somewhere, my opinion of the Rangers changes quickly. Vesey I don't think is on that level either, I think his ceiling is around being the worst player on a good team's first line...still good, just not "the guy"

When you're the world's #2 ranked professional kite surfer, you need a serious handle.

 

[Djp]

How many examples are there of these types of trades?
Most that I come up with were minute portions of larger trades.

every year there are 2-4 player rights trades

This year you say Goligowski's rights get traded to Arizona for a mid round pick.

Buffalo took a shot because they had Eichel on their team.

trading for college rights doesn't happen that often after their senior year.

 

[Randy Randerson]

Not necessarily. The Rangers have had a lot of Boston area players that love the city.

Kreider just signed long term

Hayes chose the Rangers

Yandle from all accounts loved it

Brian Boyle loves NY but wanted a bigger role

That being said if I was Vesey the only reason I would want to play for the Rangers is to live in Manhattan, other than that there are better fits for him.

I didn't mean that Vesey wouldn't choose NYR because of the feud either, the post I was referring to was trying to say that he would choose NYR because the rangers treat their players better than everyone and because of Manhattan. Great city, no doubt, I just don't think Vesey or any player in his situation closes his eyes to everything and chooses NY because its NY

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

Off topic for the thread, but exactly. Neither Buffalo nor Toronto wanted each other to get Stamkos or Vesey, because it throws things off. Both teams have future 1-2-3 depth at center with star power, and a legit future #1 D.

Now they have the biggest two Swedish goalies in the league, as well.

Yeah Andersen is Denmarkish.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Under the new goalie equipment regs, only two goalies are legitimately allowed to wear XL pants: Lehner and Andersson.

My was against the comment about Andersen being Swedish, not the size of the two of them. Was just poking fun at that but realize it was an honest mistake as he did play in Sweden.

 

[seafoam]

Andy Graziano, a guy who covers the Islanders, tweeted that a source told him the Vesey camp informed two teams that they are out and the Isles are NOT one of them. If I had to take a guess I would say he said see you later to Pittsburgh and Toronto. That would leave NYI, NYR, NJD, BUF, CHI, and BOS

I'd laugh if Vesey picked NYI. Most of our board is indifferent to Vesey while a few boards have been pining over this guy for months.

 

[Dijock94]

I didn't mean that Vesey wouldn't choose NYR because of the feud either, the post I was referring to was trying to say that he would choose NYR because the rangers treat their players better than everyone and because of Manhattan. Great city, no doubt, I just don't think Vesey or any player in his situation closes his eyes to everything and chooses NY because its NY

I doubt he will choose NY, but if he did i would assume it's to join a decent core of young forwards that are his age.

Stepan
Kreider
Miller
Hayes
Zibanejad
Buchnevich
Lindberg
Fast

All around his age sets up a competitive forward group that still has room for him, also close to his home in Boston. But like I said there are better fits for him. If I was in his shoes I would choose either Buffalo or Toronto.

 

[Tawnos]

I think either of those prospect pools warrant consideration from someone looking for a Northeastern team if they're willing to wait to contend, which at 23 I think Vesey would be as long as he thought he would play top 6 and have good line mates

And it seems like he's been pretty vocal about his love of Boston, if I remember right, Bostoners dislike NY for some reason...probably pops the balloon of choosing NYR on anything but the team's merit. With Nash fading and Lundqvist aging, I think the Rangers are a year away from starting a rebuild

Most Bostoners dislike New York sports teams, not NYC itself. Same vice versa. If there is a rivalry, it's a sibling one and not serious animosity.

I've lived in both. I now live elsewhere. Trust me when I tell you that, the people in NY and Boston are basically the same.