Rumor: All Encompassing Jimmy Vesey Thread. All Rumors/News goes here. Part V

[Eggtimer]

Obviously I'm a homer and want Vesey to sign with the Devils , but if not , please I hope it's not Buffalo or Rangers.
I'm going to get flamed for this but still besides the obvious reasons for not liking the Rangers being a Devils fan , I still am sour (call it jealousy if you want ) of the pre-cap era where the Rangers could and would just throw out huge money at whatever player was available in the offseason and hope it worked (Lindross Jagr Holik Gomez ) and that I get the feeling that Ranger fans feel like " omg how could you not want to play in the greatest historic MSG , original 6 " blab bla bla crap.
Buffalo - billionaire owner who tossed around money on players like Leino and Erhoff hoping to buy a competive team . Tanked on purpose to get McDavid , GM got all whiny and acted like a child when they lost the lottery.

Flame on

 

[Burt Reynolds]

Sarcasm was lost on you there then with the Sweeney mocked pitch

Backpedal backpedal backpedal.



If you're gonna mock, at least make it topical and relevant.

 

[HawkeyTalkMan]

False

The tradition is fine and they missed the playoffs by 1 point.
Give it up

haha, you could miss by 1 point or 40 points, what does it matter.

Bottom line is Boston was a bottom half team the last two years and are clearly a team on the downturn

Boston has no business bringing up winning ways at the moment. If you want to pull out a Bruin scrapbook highlighting the Orr days, go ahead, but for the immediate future and moving forward, Boston is well short of Chicago/NYR/NYI/PIT

Hell, at least Detroit can still lean on a winning tradition because they find ways to field a playoff team EVERY year on top of their cup success.

 

[Beerz]

Obviously I'm a homer and want Vesey to sign with the Devils , but if not , please I hope it's not Buffalo or Rangers.
I'm going to get flamed for this but still besides the obvious reasons for not liking the Rangers being a Devils fan , I still am sour (call it jealousy if you want ) of the pre-cap era where the Rangers could and would just throw out huge money at whatever player was available in the offseason and hope it worked (Lindross Jagr Holik Gomez ) and that I get the feeling that Ranger fans feel like " omg how could you not want to play in the greatest historic MSG , original 6 " blab bla bla crap.
Buffalo - billionaire owner who tossed around money on players like Leino and Erhoff hoping to buy a competive team . Tanked on purpose to get McDavid , GM got all whiny and acted like a child when they lost the lottery.

Flame on

Makes sense now.

 

[HawkeyTalkMan]

Backpedal backpedal backpedal.

That post was riddled with sarcasm, if you failed to see it when it was so blatant, then thats on your reading comprehension

 

[Burt Reynolds]

haha, you could miss by 1 point or 40 points, what does it matter.

Bottom line is Boston was a bottom half team the last two years and are clearly a team on the downturn

Boston has no business bringing up winning ways at the moment. If you want to pull out a Bruin scrapbook highlighting the Orr days, go ahead, but for the immediate future and moving forward, Boston is well short of Chicago/NYR/NYI/PIT

Hell, at least Detroit can still lean on a winning tradition because they find ways to field a playoff team EVERY year on top of their cup success.

You're high on every drug if you think NYR is better positioned going forward. Almost 0 worth while prospects, 0 1sts in the last 4 drafts, idiot coach, Gorton etc..

That post was riddled with sarcasm, if you failed to see it when it was so blatant, then thats on your reading comprehension

It was riddled with someone trying to be funny, and failing. So I guess I didn't get it...sorry. Try harder next time.

 

[Zippy316]

If you were offered double your salary to work in another city that was perfectly acceptable to you, or your wife told you that she would leave you if you did not move and take a job close to her family, and you did so, are you being disloyal and slapping your employer in the face?

He cannot make any more money for any other team that he would have in Nashville, assuming they offered him a max contract.

As far as this situation goes, it's definitely a loophole in terms of how draft rights and restricted free agency was intended to work, but I'm not going to harp on any kid who wants to control his future. He's not going to be able to again until he's 27 barring he gets a NTC or NMC in his next deal.

 

[HawkeyTalkMan]

You're high on every drug if you think NYR is better positioned going forward. Almost 0 worth while prospects, 0 1sts in the last 4 drafts, idiot coach, Gorton etc..




It was riddled with someone trying to be funny, and failing. So I guess I didn't get it...sorry. Try harder next time.

NYR has 100000% better shot to make noise in the playoffs the next two years over Boston and there is absolutely no disputing that

Chara might need a wheelchair to get up and down the ice by the end of next season

 

[Burt Reynolds]

He cannot make any more money for any other team that he would have in Nashville, assuming they offered him a max contract.

As far as this situation goes, it's definitely a loophole in terms of how draft rights and restricted free agency was intended to work, but I'm not going to harp on any kid who wants to control his future. He's not going to be able to again until he's 27 barring he gets a NTC or NMC in his next deal.

I wouldn't say it's a loophole. It's been collectively bargained between the players AND the owners. They knew what they were doing.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

haha, you could miss by 1 point or 40 points, what does it matter.

Bottom line is Boston was a bottom half team the last two years and are clearly a team on the downturn

Boston has no business bringing up winning ways at the moment. If you want to pull out a Bruin scrapbook highlighting the Orr days, go ahead, but for the immediate future and moving forward, Boston is well short of Chicago/NYR/NYI/PIT

Hell, at least Detroit can still lean on a winning tradition because they find ways to field a playoff team EVERY year on top of their cup success.

Chicago is well on their way down, down, down. NYR have no future. NYI is average. Pitt has pros and cons. Detroit is not a good team.

Boston already completed the decline, all the way down to a playoff contender. They've clearly leveled off to anyone following the team and will begin improving as prospects fill in.

 

[Coach Travis]

Hopefully they brought cookies?

Warm cookies.

 

[Beerz]

Chicago is well on their way down, down, down. NYR have no future. NYI is average. Pitt has pros and cons. Detroit is not a good team.

Boston already completed the decline, all the way down to a playoff contender. They've clearly leveled off to anyone following the team and will begin improving as prospects fill in.

Chicago is well on their way down?

I'd disagree.

 

[Burt Reynolds]

NYR has 100000% better shot to make noise in the playoffs the next two years over Boston and there is absolutely no disputing that

Chara might need a wheelchair to get up and down the ice by the end of next season

There is so much for me to dispute that. NYR has a core of what, McDonagh, Stepan, Zucc and Hank? 1 good defenseman, a great but seriously aging goalie(on the decline) and 2 good-very good forwards. Also there's the thing about next to no prospect depth. Which you need in today's NHL.


Boston beats that easy with Bergeron, Krejci, Marchand, Krug, Backes, Rask. Chara, while aging and obviously not the freak of a stud D he once was, is still quite capable of providing #2 level defense and offense.

 

[PB37]

Sarcasm was lost on you there then with the Sweeney mocked pitch

It's not that it was lost, it just wasn't funny and pretty stupid.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Devils gonna make a strong push for the Cup this year. After the sign Vesey, they trade forward assets and picks to St-Louis for Shattenkirk. top 2-3 team after that

This isn't going to happen.

 

[Beacon]

People are really quibbling over the definition of perennial winner?

Lets put it another way. There are certainly a lot of reasons why a free agent would want to join the Rangers, with one of them being how the team has performed over the last five years.

I'm sorry I stepped on the toes of all the people who get mad about anything they slightly disagree with.

When the Rangers are interested and offered similar money, in the past players signed with the Rangers more often than with any other team in the league. There's a reason for it.

 

[Dubi Doo]

Chicago is well on their way down, down, down. NYR have no future. NYI is average. Pitt has pros and cons. Detroit is not a good team.

Boston already completed the decline, all the way down to a playoff contender. They've clearly leveled off to anyone following the team and will begin improving as prospects fill in.

That defense is going to hold them back for quite some time. Even if they do develop a nice defense the center depth will be aging. Unfortunately the B's are in no man's land for the foreseeable future, and will be the whipping boys for eams like Tampa, Florida, and probably Buffalo and Toronto in the future.

 

[Kitchener Boy]

haha, you could miss by 1 point or 40 points, what does it matter.

Bottom line is Boston was a bottom half team the last two years and are clearly a team on the downturn

Boston has no business bringing up winning ways at the moment. If you want to pull out a Bruin scrapbook highlighting the Orr days, go ahead, but for the immediate future and moving forward, Boston is well short of Chicago/NYR/NYI/PIT

Hell, at least Detroit can still lean on a winning tradition because they find ways to field a playoff team EVERY year on top of their cup success.

Boston is the city of Champions.

Tradition is just fine Vesey is a Bruins fan.
I will be surprised if he goes anywhere else.

 

[Zippy316]

I wouldn't say it's a loophole. It's been collectively bargained between the players AND the owners. They knew what they were doing.

I disagree.

I think it was an unintended consequence of how different the collegiate route and the Canadian junior route is.

 

[Burt Reynolds]

I disagree.

I think it was an unintended consequence of how different the collegiate route and the Canadian junior route is.

If the owners didn't think this would happen, then they would've pushed back much harder when the PA suggested this rule be allowed. Which definitely would've caused another lockout if it was as big a deal.

 

[krt88]

Buffalo has too much offensive depth now and in the pipeline which is why I'd rule them out more than anything, its the same reason I ruled the Isles out too. He's never gonna be a first liner in either place.

Neither Toronto nor Buffalo has a lot of depth, nor a second superstar. They will be drafting early for a while until they get the depth they lack now.

The sky is blue ... Well it's not really blue especially late in the day.

That's just as good an argument as you get here on the hockey future boards. One says too much depth the VERY NEXT says you don't have depth. Not sure how two people can see the same teams depth chart so differently!

 

[HawkeyTalkMan]

There is so much for me to dispute that. NYR has a core of what, McDonagh, Stepan, Zucc and Hank? 1 good defenseman, a great but seriously aging goalie(on the decline) and 2 good-very good forwards. Also there's the thing about next to no prospect depth. Which you need in today's NHL.


Boston beats that easy with Bergeron, Krejci, Marchand, Krug, Backes, Rask. Chara, while aging and obviously not the freak of a stud D he once was, is still quite capable of providing #2 level defense and offense.

So you just compared the cores of NYR and BOS, of which really havent changed in the last year with the exception of Backes and Zibenejad, coming off a season where NYR made the playoffs and BOS didnt, and you still think BOS is better moving forward?

BOS prospects have proven ZERO and Lundqvist is getting older, but he isnt Chara old ready to fall off a cliff.

Most of NYRs roster is pretty much there to stay for the next 3ish years so you can likely count on NYR staying ahead of BOS each season

NYR took a step back by losing Yandle, but Boston too a step back by losing Eriksson and replacing him with Backes.

 

[135ace]

1. There's a universal opinion among players that the Rangers treat you better than anyone else.

2. You get to be in Manhattan. Nothing else compares.

3. Always spend the max of the cap, and manipulate it further to spend more (such as by paying players more up front so if they trade them to a team with an internal cap that is lower than the league cap, they can gain additional cap space: Player A makes $3 next year with a $6 cap hit; Player B makes $4 next year with a $4 cap hit. The Rangers trade player A for player B, gaining $2 in cap space.)

I do agree that a lot of players gravitate towards the Rangers, but the other points are pretty silly. He could live in Manhattan and play for the Devils or Isles, although I doubt he goes to the Isles. If he was ok with a crappy front office he would have went to Boston

Also, the Rangers spending to the cap doesn't mean much when they don't win any cups.

Anyway, my guess in terms of most likely teams is

1/2; 25% chance of signing- Chi/NYR- As many have said Chicago essentially guarantees future paychecks as his point totals will be fluffed up playing there, and he has a much better chance of winning a cup.

3; 20% chance of signing- NJD- I would normally think the Devils are a better fit than the Rangers, but the Devils don't have that much space on LW.

4/5; 10% chance of signing- Buffalo/Toronto- I think that if he goes outside the NYC metro area he goes to Chicago and not a rebuilding team, but both Buffalo and Toronto show good promise.

Minimal chance- Boston/NYI- Sure, they may have ties to him or his wants, but both teams have terrible management. I don't see how any smart player wants to go to either team.

 

[Toronto makebeleifs]

Everyone is going to make decisions that are based on whats best for you as a person, thats not self-centered.

That's literally the definition of being self centered...

 

[Fonzerelli]

I went to Burger King twice in a month, that doesn't make it tradition.

Hags? Is that you?