Rumor: All Encompassing Jimmy Vesey Thread. All Rumors/News goes here. Part IV

[Paulie Gualtieri]

That bus left a long time ago.

Why would it have?

 

[Mad Brills*]

bolland and robidas were not on LTIR this past season.

League doesn't look closely at horton/pronger/savard who are 100% done.

Robidas and Bolland could play but it's a small chance.

 

[FLYLine27*]

Buffalo told Eichel to court him.
What is silly about bringing a potential teammate (linemate) Gives them the opportunity to talk normally, less tense - potentially clears a little air and has someone talk to him as a player/former US team/etc ; than just hearing old suits talking all the time.

Don't understand why it's a problem, even if Matthews is very new to the team.

Um, Eichel has at least played in the NHL...

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

That bus left a long time ago.

no it hasn't

 

[PetterssonSimp]

Yes and I guess you are aware of the fact, that Hossa's injury history is quite varied. Concussion history, he had a really serious back-injury etc..

I'm not saying, again, that this is likely scenario. But there is a legit chance. I don't think no-one is even counting on that, but the fact how Panthers have managed with Bolland and Leafs with Robidas, anything is possible.

More likely scenario is that cap is going to rise with $10 million in next two seasons, but I don't count on that either.

I won't address the Hossa stuff, because that even more speculative than the 10 million cap increase. Lol so you must be American, because the Canadian market sucks right now, our oil has taken a massive hit again, almost 2008 like. So unless something major happens, like another 500m expansion payment happens immediately I highly doubt 10 million increase is within reach. The cap raise like just over 3 million this season and it took the PA using their side to pump that up. I'd say 6 million is realistic increase, and a very very possible stagnation of cap.

 

[TGWL]

Rangers are bringing Girardi and Marc Staal with them. Ain't nobody turning down that offer.

Girardi: "Staalsy, tell him how good my break out passes are."

Staal: "4 more years of awesome breakout passes."

 

[goonybird]

Rangers are bringing Gretzky, Messier, Jagr, Lindros, Leetch, Naslund, Bure

Oh man don't forget Rangers legends Richards Gomez Gaborik St.Louis Holik Yandle Boyle and Frolov

 

[McDrailers]

Oh man don't forget Rangers legends Richards Gomez Gaborik St.Louis Holik Yandle Boyle and Frolov

Dan Blackburn shows up and immediately gets Vesey to sign.

 

[Group Chat Legend*]

Why would it have?

Because the point of buying his rights was to get him to sign before courting other options; and that bus has left.

Odds he signs with Buffalo are lower than they were before imo. Especially when he came out and said he would hit free agency

 

[go4hockey]

I'm pro players on this, so I'd rather there actually be an option for them to get out of it than anything. Mostly because there will never be a time when there is free choice to pick teams, least not anymore.

Sure there is play your years needed and become a UFA, then you can choose. This rule sucks and no kid that has no time vested in the league should be a UFA. Bad rule the CBA is full of bad clauses and rules. Even after two lockouts they can't get it right.

 

[belair]

Young players acting as ambassadors to their franchise ... Is a bad thing?

Ones that have yet to play for them...

I wouldn't say bad, but that pitch must be embarrassing.

 

[migi]

Hossa had not had any concussion problems in 5 years, he had one concussion and he seems to have recovered fully. His back has not bothered him for 3+ years now and has not missed a game with that injury. He has some small injuries here and there which in total are about 30 games in the last 5 seasons which is peanuts in the NHL. Doubt either of those problems hurt him long term.

That's true. But I might still add that if there is one big injury coming, or even a small one, it can be very difficult for him to recover from that.

He is very likeable guy from fan perspective and great athlete, I don't even want him gone even if it means losing some big pieces. He has been great, one of the best Blackhawks in modern era.

I won't address the Hossa stuff, because that even more speculative than the 10 million cap increase. Lol so you must be American, because the Canadian market sucks right now, our oil has taken a massive hit again, almost 2008 like. So unless something major happens, like another 500m expansion payment happens immediately I highly doubt 10 million increase is within reach. The cap raise like just over 3 million this season and it took the PA using their side to pump that up. I'd say 6 million is realistic increase, and a very very possible stagnation of cap.

I'm from Finland so I don't really know the American or Canadian economy, but our fellow HawksCap has calculated that there is a chance for big rise. But I don't know how the math works and it was all speculative scenario.

 

[IronHalen]

Ones that have yet to play for them...

I wouldn't say bad, but that pitch must be embarrassing.

Some people in here are funny.

 

[Godzilla]

This smells of Justin Schultz all over again...

 

[TheGroceryStick]

Um, Eichel has at least played in the NHL...

I just don't understand why it's a big deal. Matthews likely knows Vesey quite well, and was brought along to sit in on the interviewer. The horror.


I guess people aren't over the fact Toronto landed Matthews, and don't like seeing his name.

 

[Crazy8oooo]

Thank you. I'm not arguing UFA/RFA age or anything of the sorts, not sure why that was being thrown out into the discussion. I just think that you shouldn't be given an 'out' to sign with whoever you please, when you were already drafted by a NHL team.

Nashville just lost a top prospect from their system for nothing. Sure, they didn't use a 1st round pick on him, but it really doesn't matter.

Although I agree with your whole argument that players should have to play for the team that drafts them, your bolded comment is not true. Nashville drafted him in the third round and was compensated with a third round pick from Buffalo. They got back about the same as what they paid for him. Anaheim, on the other hand, lost Schultz for absolutely nothing. I don't think they should have the option of not signing with the team that drafts them. They should have to honor at least their ELC years, if nothing else.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

Because the point of buying his rights was to get him to sign before courting other options; and that bus has left.

Odds he signs with Buffalo are lower than they were before imo. Especially when he came out and said he would hit free agency

In that case you are labeling Tim Murray as an idiot, because literlly everybody knew that Vesey would want to be courted by as many teams as possible. He might not even have spoken to Buffalo unless they traded for his rights though. Trading for his rights show Vesey that they are very interested, and ready to offer what he wants. The odds to sign in Buffalo is now higher, since there was close to 0% chance that he would sign before august 15th.

 

[notdoneyet]

Sure there is play your years needed and become a UFA, then you can choose. This rule sucks and no kid that has no time vested in the league should be a UFA. Bad rule the CBA is full of bad clauses and rules. Even after two lockouts they can't get it right.

I don't get this

a player is wrong to go exactly by the CBA that 30 NHL teams have signed.
He went strictly by the book. So what if Nashville drafted him. It is his option to finish those years in school and then choose who he wants to play for.

How many players get drafted by NHL teams and never even get offered a contract.
Should NHL teams HAVE to sign every player they draft. What about when they trade the player away without ever having played for the team that drafted them.

You cant have it one way that the teams are always right,

 

[VanIslander]

Ones that have yet to play for them...

AM: Uh, man "we" want you to play for "us".

JV: Um,... I rocked the NCAA, you went to Switzerland. I believe you don't have anything on me except hype and expectations, especially given I'm 4+ years older than you. I respect your game and all, but what the **** are you doing here now? Excuse me, but Stanley Cup champions Toews and Bergeron wanna meet with me. ... Buh-bye.

 

[BatVader]

The Oilers are sending Yakupov to talk to Vesey.
Rumor is, Edmonton hopes he gets lost and doesn't come back.

Habs are sending Desharnais for the same reason.

 

[Pyromaniac]

The Oilers are sending Yakupov to talk to Vesey.
Rumor is, Edmonton hopes he gets lost and doesn't come back.

Lol that's harsh.

 

[Kshahdoo]

"here vesey, we will have no cap room to give you a nice 2nd contract but take this contract that every team will offer you!"

Don't forget to continue the phrase: "so you'll get your 6M/year in some other club".

I bet he'll be upset so much after this, so he chooses to go to the KHL...

 

[Nithoniniel]

Because the point of buying his rights was to get him to sign before courting other options; and that bus has left.

Odds he signs with Buffalo are lower than they were before imo. Especially when he came out and said he would hit free agency

Not quite so simple.

Vesey was always going to hit UFA. Even if Buffalo blew him away, he was going to wait until now and look at other options. The trade gave Buffalo extended time to sell the club, which is an advantage regardless of when Vesey wants to make his decision.

The only thing that situation actually showed was that Buffalo didn't overwhelm him so much that he decided to skip his plans to look at all the options and just go ahead and sign right away.

 

[McDrailers]

The Oilers are sending Yakupov to talk to Vesey.
Rumor is, Edmonton hopes he gets lost and doesn't come back.

LOL'd.

 

[Liferleafer]

What is his pitch?

1) what a pleasure it is negotiating an ELC contract with Lou. Cant wait to do it again on my next contract
2) My teammates are awesome based on 3 days of development camp last month

It's been reported that the signing took about 10 minutes...Lou gave him the max deal with zero negotiation. I know it's cool to bash the Leafs, but Mathews can probably speak pretty well about how Leafs management treats it's young players/prospects.