Rumor: All Encompassing Jimmy Vesey Thread. All Rumors/News goes here. Part IV

[FLYLine27*]

"here vesey, we will have no cap room to give you a nice 2nd contract but take this contract that every team will offer you!"

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

He deserves to go to the Hawks, hope he realizes this.

They give him the best chance at winning a cup, Then all of the other teams mentioned.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

My money is still in Boston.

I'm thinking Boston as well, Hometown team grew up a Bruins fan. I still think it comes down to the Bruins and Leafs for his service.

 

[Riptide]

I would say Hudler, Russell and even Pirri are bigger free agents than Vesey. The aforementioned have at least proven they can play in the NHL and be productive in an NHL role, whatever that may be. Vesey just has a lot of hype surrounding him, just like Justin Schultz did.

Hudler sure. But he's also 34 instead of 23. Russell is a D, so that doesn't really mean much if you're looking for a winger, and while I like Pirri, I don't think his game is well rounded enough to make much of an impact. Sure he might score some goals from time to time, but that's all he can do, and the fact that a 25 yr old 20g scorer still doesn't have a job come mid August should be rather telling.

The bottom line is that Vesey is a free asset to whomever signs him. He's big, skilled and young. Maybe he doesn't pan out. But odds are he will. Which means whomever signs him will be very happy.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

In all fairness, I don't begrudge a Nashville fan being unhappy about this. Actually, I don't begrudge them that one bit.

It's kind of like having your girlfriend, who you thought loved you, turn down your proposal and then go on The Bachelorette.

Exactly. While I don't hold any ill will towards Vesey, because he did what was allowed via the CBA, if this happened to a prospect my team drafted, I'd be unhappy.

In fact, it did "kinda" happen with Frederick Andersen (he refused to sign and re-entered the draft...wasn't a UFA) and most Canes fans still hold a bit of a grudge, particularly with how crappy our goaltending has been the past few years.

 

[Mad Brills*]

Did people give hayes crap 2 years ago for doing literally the same thing to the blackhawks?

 

[Riptide]

Thank you. I'm not arguing UFA/RFA age or anything of the sorts, not sure why that was being thrown out into the discussion. I just think that you shouldn't be given an 'out' to sign with whoever you please, when you were already drafted by a NHL team.

Nashville just lost a top prospect from their system for nothing. Sure, they didn't use a 1st round pick on him, but it really doesn't matter.

And what happens when you finish college and the team that drafted you isn't interested? What are you suppose to do, hang around for a year twiddling your thumbs? I have to think that this is why that rule is there. NSH (and others) had 4 years to sign this kid. It didn't happen. Sucks for them, but it's not like this happens to every kid that finishes college.

 

[Mad Brills*]

Better solution 4 year ELC, and then you are a free agent after that, similar to the nfl.

 

[tburns21]

Did people give hayes crap 2 years ago for doing literally the same thing to the blackhawks?

I wonder if at this point he regrets his decision of not signing with the hawks who have won 3 cups since 2010.... that's got to be a stinger to him at this point a little bit.

 

[Trxjw]

Did people give hayes crap 2 years ago for doing literally the same thing to the blackhawks?

Yes.

 

[Curufinwe]

Most picks outside the 1st round don't pan out. It's not really a big deal.

The Flyers could possibly find themselves in this situation in 2018 if Mark Friedman doesn't sign in March, but he has to do what's best for his career. Just like Vesey.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Did people give hayes crap 2 years ago for doing literally the same thing to the blackhawks?

Yeah, they did. A lot.

 

[GAGLine]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the reason CHL players don't ever exploit this rule is that they really have nowhere to play once they turn 21 if they don't sign with their NHL club. Correct?

Tim Erixon did it. He would have gone back into the draft rather than sign with Calgary, so they traded his rights to the Rangers, who signed him and later traded him as part of the deal for Nash.

People forget that these college players are forgoing an NHL contract while waiting for free agency. Vesey is 23. If he had chosen to sign with Nashville at 21, is there any doubt he would have been in the NHL by now? If he had signed at 20, he would be signing his 2nd contract right now instead of his first. He left a significant amount of money on the table for the right to choose where he plays. There's nothing wrong with that. It's a negotiated part of the CBA. Any attempt to change it by the NHL would be met with opposition by the NHLPA.

 

[BB88]

"here vesey, we will have no cap room to give you a nice 2nd contract but take this contract that every team will offer you!"

Panarin is the only one they need to re-sign next year, no one looking for huge contract the year after.
That's not bad for team that's close to being a top contender.

 

[Mad Brills*]

Thanks.

I wasn't registered on here then, so I wouldn't have known.

 

[Riptide]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the reason CHL players don't ever exploit this rule is that they really have nowhere to play once they turn 21 if they don't sign with their NHL club. Correct?

Most, no. They'd either have to sign AHL only contracts (not even sure if they can), or go play in Europe until they've burned off the time needed to be a UFA. Honestly, I'm a little surprised that more haven't attempted that. Get drafted, and if it's by a team that you don't really want to go to, don't sign and see about going to Europe for a couple years after the CHL and wait out UFA status. However there's some pretty significant risks there to ones long term development - not to mention what would happen if they got hurt.

 

[Irishguy42]

 

[Zip15]

They give him the best chance at winning a cup, Then all of the other teams mentioned.

I think the Pens give him a better shot over the next 2-3 years. Their depth hasn't yet been gutted by their success, and Washington notwithstanding - who Pittsburgh owns in the playoffs - the Pens have an easier road out of the division/conference in the playoffs than do the Hawks.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

I think the Pens give him a better shot over the next 2-3 years. Their depth hasn't yet been gutted by their success, and Washington notwithstanding - who Pittsburgh owns in the playoffs - the Pens have an easier road out of the division/conference in the playoffs than do the Hawks.

Yeah totally agree about the Pens, Keep forgetting that they're in the mix as well. Pens would make far more sense for Vesey then the Hawks would then. The Pens are still strong like you said for the next 2-3 years at least. If i'm Vesey i'm more or less thinking of the Pens then the Hawks though either one wouldn't be a bad choice.

 

[NSH615]

And what happens when you finish college and the team that drafted you isn't interested? What are you suppose to do, hang around for a year twiddling your thumbs? I have to think that this is why that rule is there. NSH (and others) had 4 years to sign this kid. It didn't happen. Sucks for them, but it's not like this happens to every kid that finishes college.

You make it sound like they didn't try to sign him. They asked him multiple times over the years, but he strongly expressed that he wanted to finish his degree and Nashville didn't want to pressure him too much out of fear this exact scenario would happen.

If non-NCAA players have to go to Europe or somewhere else for a period to get playing time if they refuse to sign, the same should apply to former NCAA players who refuse to sign when offered a deal. If the team never offered them a deal, fine I get that, but the rule needs to be changed to account for this. We are now running into this every year and if nothing is changed soon, teams will take a hard second guess at themselves prior to drafting college bound kids especially in the first 3 or 4 rounds. These actions by these players only hurts the future college bound kids and their chances at making the NHL.

Now before anyone bashes me on this, I applaud a player for choosing education over signing for mega $$$'s, but they should also sign where they were drafted should they be presented with a contract, especially a max $ deal, or go elsewhere. This is just part of paying your dues. I can imagine that several European players over here are not happy that someone younger than them get to go where ever they want, while the Euro player has to play where they are drafted and assigned if they want to participate.

 

[Iamtheliquor*]

Would be cool to see him in NJ. I like the direction that team is going.

 

[hockeykicker]

Must not have been accepted since he is apparently meeting with the pens today per dreger

 

[nbwingsfan]

Because why would the owners have any reason to accept that? I'm completely fine with a player "ditching" their team as it gives more power to the players. Sure some teams get the raw end of the deal (including my hawks) but I'd rather that then a player not having any right to freely choose where they go until they are 27. The only way I'd see the players accepting the nullification of this "loophole" (not a loophole, it's a designated out both NHLPA and NHL agreed upon) is if the RFA age was lowered or the whole escrow problem is sorted out.

I have a feeling your view on this would be different if Toews had ditched the Hawks and Chicago didn't win a single cup while watching Toews be called the best player in the NHL for another team.

Screw kids who want to decide where they will probably be spending the next 5 years (at minimum) lets extend the RFA age to 35.

Be spending their next 5 years making more money than any of us could dream of while getting summers off for playing a game... don't pity them in the slightest.

 

[Off Sides]

That guy was the one who tweeted most accurately about Hayes when that was getting towards his eventual signing.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1722843&highlight=hayes&page=30

 

[Empoleon8771]

If he's meeting with the Islanders today, I'm surprised he's not meeting with the Rangers. Although is he going city to city or is everyone going to him?

The Pens are sending Bill Guerin to recruit Vesey, according to Josh Yohe. There's probably not many better guys the Penguins could have sent, Guerin is really well respected among USA hockey and he has experienced first hand what playing with Crosby is like. It's definitely a different look than sending some 60 year old GM.