Rumor: All Encompassing Jimmy Vesey Thread. All Rumors/News goes here. Part IV

[Stive Morgan]

Vesey to Hawks E5

 

[Weast]

I would imagine that every team is sending him a max entry level deal with full bonuses.

 

[Dogewow]

Not surprising.

 

[PG Canuck]

This saga needs to end.

 

[alko]

This saga needs to end.

What "saga"?

 

[Bleedred]

I really hope he signs somewhere sometime today.

The hype machine is becoming too strong with this one. Jiri Sekac was getting a lot of hype before his signing too.

Not that I think he'll do as bad as Sekac.

 

[Spectra]

He deserves to go to the Hawks, hope he realizes this.

 

[PG Canuck]

What "saga"?

Of hearing where this kid is going to sign day after day like he's some big Free Agent. I guess the saga hasn't even begun yet, but it's coming.

 

[PG Canuck]

I really hope he signs somewhere sometime today.

The hype machine is becoming too strong with this one. Jiri Sekac was getting a lot of hype before his signing too.

Not that I think he'll do as bad as Sekac.

It's just like the Justin Schultz situation. Every team wanted him, and he ended up being pretty damn mediocre at best. Eventually winning the Cup this year, but not as if he was a large part in that.

Vesey needs to hope he doesn't turn out a borderline NHL'er, maybe he'll take it to win a cup though.

 

[Bleedred]

He deserves to go to the Hawks, hope he realizes this.

Why exactly does he ''deserve'' to go to the Hawks?

It's just like the Justin Schultz situation. Every team wanted him, and he ended up being pretty damn mediocre at best. Eventually winning the Cup this year, but not as if he was a large part in that.

Vesey needs to hope he doesn't turn out a borderline NHL'er, maybe he'll take it to win a cup though.

Ah yes, the Schultz saga.

Didn't it culminate with Wayne Gretzky actually calling him and telling him to go to Edmonton?

 

[thedoughboy]

Of hearing where this kid is going to sign day after day like he's some big Free Agent. I guess the saga hasn't even begun yet, but it's coming.

He's the biggest free agent on the market right now, and theres literally nothing else going on, probably the reason all this is going on hah

 

[PG Canuck]

Why exactly does he ''deserve'' to go to the Hawks?

Ah yes, the Schultz saga.

Didn't it culminate with Wayne Gretzky actually calling him and telling him to go to Edmonton?

Yup. I think it was Gretzky and maybe even Messier or someone else to try and convince him why Edmonton was so great and all. Oilers fan ended up hating him, and us Canucks fans relieved we didn't get him even though we wanted him just as bad.

It's why I'm just not a fan of this little loophole that seems to being getting exposed more often now with NCAA players. I think it's complete trash that they are even allowed to become Free Agents and ditch their old team, but that's just me.

 

[thedoughboy]

Yup. I think it was Gretzky and maybe even Messier or someone else to try and convince him why Edmonton was so great and all. Oilers fan ended up hating him, and us Canucks fans relieved we didn't get him even though we wanted him just as bad.

It's why I'm just not a fan of this little loophole that seems to being getting exposed more often now with NCAA players. I think it's complete trash that they are even allowed to become Free Agents and ditch their old team, but that's just me.

Screw kids who want to decide where they will probably be spending the next 5 years (at minimum) lets extend the RFA age to 35.

 

[Riptide]

It's just like the Justin Schultz situation. Every team wanted him, and he ended up being pretty damn mediocre at best. Eventually winning the Cup this year, but not as if he was a large part in that.

Vesey needs to hope he doesn't turn out a borderline NHL'er, maybe he'll take it to win a cup though.

If he's what you consider a "damn mediocre at best" D, then all one can say is that your ability to evaluate ones abilities isn't all that good. As for him being a large part? No, JS didn't play a massive role in PIT winning. But neither was he someone PIT could have easily replaced.

What about Wheeler? He was a UFA college kid that spurned Phoenix and signed with Boston and who had a pretty productive rookie season.

Screw kids who want to decide where they will probably be spending the next 5 years (at minimum) lets extend the RFA age to 35.

I know right? I mean why should they have the ability to go sign wherever the **** they choose? Ungrateful little *****.

 

[PG Canuck]

He's the biggest free agent on the market right now, and theres literally nothing else going on, probably the reason all this is going on hah

I would say Hudler, Russell and even Pirri are bigger free agents than Vesey. The aforementioned have at least proven they can play in the NHL and be productive in an NHL role, whatever that may be. Vesey just has a lot of hype surrounding him, just like Justin Schultz did.

 

[PG Canuck]

Screw kids who want to decide where they will probably be spending the next 5 years (at minimum) lets extend the RFA age to 35.

Why even have RFA's at all? Just let everyone pick where they can go. I don't think Anaheim was too pleased at the time losing Schultz for nothing, and I don't think Nashville is all too happy either. I don't think you should just get an 'out'.

 

[Bleedred]

Screw kids who want to decide where they will probably be spending the next 5 years (at minimum) lets extend the RFA age to 35.

I think there's a big difference in what PG Canuck is arguing against and wanting to extend the UFA age to 35.

I do kind of agree with PG Canuck, if these guys can ditch the teams that drafted them, then why not make UFA age 22?

 

[PG Canuck]

If he's what you consider a "damn mediocre at best" D, then all one can say is that your ability to evaluate ones abilities isn't all that good. As for him being a large part? No, JS didn't play a massive role in PIT winning. But neither was he someone PIT could have easily replaced.

What about Wheeler? He was a UFA college kid that spurned Phoenix and signed with Boston and who had a pretty productive rookie season.

I'm not saying he can't be productive. He certainly can be.

 

[PG Canuck]

I think there's a big difference in what PG Canuck is arguing against and wanting to extend the UFA age to 35.

I do kind of agree with PG Canuck, if these guys can ditch the teams that drafted them, then why not make UFA age 22?

Thank you. I'm not arguing UFA/RFA age or anything of the sorts, not sure why that was being thrown out into the discussion. I just think that you shouldn't be given an 'out' to sign with whoever you please, when you were already drafted by a NHL team.

Nashville just lost a top prospect from their system for nothing. Sure, they didn't use a 1st round pick on him, but it really doesn't matter.

 

[Devilswede]

I can't see him signing anywhere else than Toronto or Boston. The Bruins for the obvious reasons with him bring a local kid and fulfilling a dream.

But I think Toronto has the upper hand. His brother is drafted by them and his father works for them.

His father is now sick which makes it even more sensitive, and one thing you can be certain of with Lou Lamoriello is that he takes care of his own. He will make sure Vesey Sr is well taken care of and that will go a long way with Jimmy Vesey.

That's just my gut feeling.

I hope I'm wrong though and he signs with the Devils, but I doubt it.

 

[thedoughboy]

Why even have RFA's at all? Just let everyone pick where they can go. I don't think Anaheim was too pleased at the time losing Schultz for nothing, and I don't think Nashville is all too happy either. I don't think you should just get an 'out'.

I'm pro players on this, so I'd rather there actually be an option for them to get out of it than anything. Mostly because there will never be a time when there is free choice to pick teams, least not anymore.

 

[DonskoiDonscored]

If he's what you consider a "damn mediocre at best" D, then all one can say is that your ability to evaluate ones abilities isn't all that good.

Justin Schultz is decent when sheltered, but he's horrible when he's not.

No one is saying he doesn't produce points, he's just not good defensively, is rather soft, and is prone to mental lapses when under pressure.

 

[thedoughboy]

I think there's a big difference in what PG Canuck is arguing against and wanting to extend the UFA age to 35.

I do kind of agree with PG Canuck, if these guys can ditch the teams that drafted them, then why not make UFA age 22?

Because why would the owners have any reason to accept that? I'm completely fine with a player "ditching" their team as it gives more power to the players. Sure some teams get the raw end of the deal (including my hawks) but I'd rather that then a player not having any right to freely choose where they go until they are 27. The only way I'd see the players accepting the nullification of this "loophole" (not a loophole, it's a designated out both NHLPA and NHL agreed upon) is if the RFA age was lowered or the whole escrow problem is sorted out.

 

[PG Canuck]

If he's what you consider a "damn mediocre at best" D, then all one can say is that your ability to evaluate ones abilities isn't all that good. As for him being a large part? No, JS didn't play a massive role in PIT winning. But neither was he someone PIT could have easily replaced.

I was talking about when he was in Edmonton, re: being mediocre. Oilers fans were not big on him and his play. He was mediocre there after all the hype.

I'm pro players on this, so I'd rather there actually be an option for them to get out of it than anything. Mostly because there will never be a time when there is free choice to pick teams, least not anymore.

Fair enough, that's your opinion so I won't attack you for having one if I don't agree with it. I'm just not a fan of the idea of a team losing a top prospect for nothing.

 

[Bad News Bears]

I would imagine that every team is sending him a max entry level deal with full bonuses.