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All Encompassing Coaching and Glen Cigar Thread Part V

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silverfish said:
Oh hindsight, you crazy. In 5 years, will you look back on the Richards signing and wonder if it didn't make sense?

I'll give you Holik and Redden.

Drury and Gomez I won't give you though. I'll give you to them as a package deal as in maybe the Rangers really only needed one of them.

It was the '07 off-season, the Rangers were coming up on Jagr's last year. Sather thought he needed pieces to take the Rangers into the land of post-Jagr hockey. Callahan wasn't ready to lead the team, the vets were getting set to retire or leave, the Rangers would have had no direction after the 07-08 season if Drury and Gomez weren't here.

Hey, maybe that would have been better, but those signings made sense whether or not you want to believe it anymore.

This is just like people bashing the Jessiman pick. A monster of a winger puts up a 47 point freshman year (in 34 games) at Dartmouth. You know what this team could really use right now? A monster winger with scoring touch to compete with the Bruins. You know what Jessiman was projected to be? Was he a bit of a reach at 12? Sure. I think he was the 20th ranked skater in the final rankings.

It's amazing how high and mighty people act when the scenarios have all played themselves out.

I guess I'm probably the only one who hopes Richards can find his scoring touch again after leaving the Rangers this off-season.

Oh, and by the way, Gomez finished second on the team in scoring both seasons he was here, and he got us McDonagh.
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This guy is the best GM on these boards.
 
haveandare said:
The idea that anyone here can come close to doing what any professional coach does is laughable. The idea that any professional coach's strategy can be broken down into one or two sentences is equally laughable.

Did you watch last year when the team bought into a system that made the best use of their defensive prowess and had the best NYR season in decades? Let me guess, they did that in spite of Torts, Hank did it himself etc. etc. etc. Well guess what? Hank has been carrying the team with incredible performances for years and they never came close to a season like that. The team was playing a system that fit the guys perfectly and they had a HUGE amount of success. If you honestly think that Torts had nothing to do with that, and that all of those players spontaneously discovered the smartest strategy for them to play and just happened to all start playing it on the same page all at once, I guess that's your right, but I'm going to call that silly. Torts coached the team very well last year, and considering all the crap that's gone on this year (two massive roster turnovers, no Staal, less than no Richards) I think the results are pretty good.

Boston is better than NYR, especially without Staal, Clowe or a servicable top 6 center in Richards' spot - a lot better. The better team tends to win a 7 game series. Losing to a better team in the second round doesn't mean its time for a huge change IMO. There are problems, most notably the inexcusably horrendous PP, but I think it'd be wiser to bring a PP guy in than to gut the coaching staff after two seasons with results that I consider to be impressive under the circumstances. If Torts absolutely refuses to get PP help to the point he'd prefer to be fired, or he starts the next season off and things look really bleak, fine, let's talk about firing him - but at this point I think it's a dumb idea.
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I think the difference between last year and this year is that Torts had guys that he had groomed to work in his system. Dubi, Cally, all the defenseman were YOUNG when Torts got here. He bought them in. We trade Arty and Dubi and bring in another superstar and bring in a whole new turnaround of guys after losing Feds and Prust, we lost a lot of the core. Arty, Dubi, Cally weren't pretty, but they were perfectly groomed for the system. Sather changed it up and brought in guys that Torts didn't have the opportunity to mold for gritty defensive hockey as they are all finese guys, there will be problems. Based on play right now, the only guys suited for the system on the team are Cally, Stepan, Brass, and Zucc (as well as the defenseman, but I think they are beat up). The rest of the team just has no clue what to do as Torts just doesn't know how to utilize them. Part of it is his ego and part of it is that's just not the kind of game he feels comfortable with. IMO, the perfect thing in hindsight would have been to keep Arty and throw in MDZ on that trade. Then we would have traded Gaborik anyway this offseason. We have a team built for a coach like Bylsma not Tortorella. The movie Moneyball pretty much sums up the relationship between a coach and a GM.
 
NYRCSKA said:
I think the difference between last year and this year is that Torts had guys that he had groomed to work in his system. Dubi, Cally, all the defenseman were YOUNG when Torts got here. He bought them in. We trade Arty and Dubi and bring in another superstar and bring in a whole new turnaround of guys after losing Feds and Prust, we lost a lot of the core. Arty, Dubi, Cally weren't pretty, but they were perfectly groomed for the system. Sather changed it up and brought in guys that Torts didn't have the opportunity to mold for gritty defensive hockey as they are all finese guys, there will be problems. Based on play right now, the only guys suited for the system on the team are Cally, Stepan, Brass, and Zucc (as well as the defenseman, but I think they are beat up). The rest of the team just has no clue what to do as Torts just doesn't know how to utilize them. Part of it is his ego and part of it is that's just not the kind of game he feels comfortable with. IMO, the perfect thing in hindsight would have been to keep Arty and throw in MDZ on that trade. Then we would have traded Gaborik anyway this offseason. We have a team built for a coach like Bylsma not Tortorella. The movie Moneyball pretty much sums up the relationship between a coach and a GM.
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Torts hit the lottery last year with that team, but we still questioned his system and how they would hold up in the playoffs. Tort's coaching flaws come through even in a very successful year.
 
Vidic15 said:
Torts hit the lottery last year with that team, but we still questioned his system and how they would hold up in the playoffs. Tort's coaching flaws come through even in a very successful year.
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That team, on paper, didnt deserve to be anywhere near #1 in the east. Give credit where credit is due. This agenda stuff is stupid.
 
Vidic15 said:
Torts hit the lottery last year with that team, but we still questioned his system and how they would hold up in the playoffs. Tort's coaching flaws come through even in a very successful year.
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That team was the perfect team for Tortorella. He just needed one guy who could finish after Gaborik got hurt.
 
Vidic15 said:
Torts hit the lottery last year with that team, but we still questioned his system and how they would hold up in the playoffs.
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Brian Boyle said:
That team was pretty much Torts' dream team.

This year, not so much.
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which is exactly why I opposed the Nash trade. That team was built for Torts. The Nash trade was pretty much the end of Tortorella in New York. Tortorella would be the perfect coach for a team like the Dallas Stars right now with the youth that team has. And the Stars would hopefully be smart enough not to shake things up on him. Tortorella coaches that team and in 2 years they win that division. Tortorella cannot coach this team. Bylsma could, but Tortorella can't. It is not built for him.
 
Poor Torts. gets single handily blamed for garbage roster. just like renney
 
Feels like an eternity since the Renney days. Perhaps this ends the Torts era?

Not sure how to feel.
 
Kershaw said:
Poor Torts. gets single handily blamed for garbage roster. just like renney
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It's the opposite. His system actually works well with a garbage roster. I don't know how to put it but it's like giving a Ferrari to your grandparent to drive. He just can't handle speed and talent.
 
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