AEW All Elite Wrestling #9: Mox Aggressor Brings the Blood

[TheBeastCoast]

Supposedly Punk really wanted to meet with the Bucks. The Bucks said they would meet with him if he made it 6 months without any incidents.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

Supposedly Punk really wanted to meet with the Bucks. The Bucks said they would meet with him if he made it 6 months without any incidents.

Tony is such a dumbass. Do not ask them to meet, make them meet. You are the boss for f***'s sake. What are the Bucks going to do? Go on a hunger strike?

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Tony is such a dumbass. Do not ask them to meet, make them meet. You are the boss for f***'s sake. What are the Bucks going to do? Go on a hunger strike?

Probably just say no. I honestly think it was obviously a fairly smart position for the Bucks. Why waste your time meeting with someone that is still a petulant child. Once things have proven to maybe be different then a sit down happens. But you know Punk had to go out and call Hangman a peg warmer in a shoot 2 weeks after coming back. “Apology must be as loud as the disrespect” words of a certain man child.

 

[boredmale]

Why waste your time meeting with someone that is still a petulant child.

best to let the children deal with other children.

 

[DaaaaB's]

The comment is being made because he has absolutely no business value. You get chances when you are an asset and f*** up. When you f*** up and have little to no value, you are gone.

The only reason he still has a job, and likely will be pushed the same way he had been, is because of who he is friends with. If you really want to send a strong message that you want tolerate any bullshit, you fire him too. Not because he does not deserve the benefit of the doubt, but because it also shows his friends that no one is above the law... now, they just think they got rid of Punk. Tony still look like an idiot... and he lost his biggest star.

Using internet rumours to get heat might be smart. Doing it without clearing it with the notorious hot head you are going after, it is a recipe for disaster... and disaster it was.

As for people saying Punk attacked the Elite. Come on, stop portraying them as victims. They acted stupidly by going, as a group, confront a guy that was hot at that moment. They should have addressed the problem later. They rightfully got suspensed (and did not deserve more punishment). As an executive, you need to be MUCH MUCH MUCH smarter than that.

That being said, Punk got what he deserved. People acting dumb is not a license to kick their ass without retribution. He is a little bitch and acted like one... on numerous occasions.

Saying he should be fired for having no business value is just silly. That's just your opinion and his boss obviously feels differently. I'm not much of a fan of him but there's certainly worse wrestlers in both companies especially WWE. He shouldn't have said what he said but it's not his fault that the straight edge bitch threw another hissy fit. Punk may have been they're biggest star but the company is a lot better off without him.

 

[mrmovies779]

Probably just say no. I honestly think it was obviously a fairly smart position for the Bucks. Why waste your time meeting with someone that is still a petulant child. Once things have proven to maybe be different then a sit down happens. But you know Punk had to go out and call Hangman a peg warmer in a shoot 2 weeks after coming back. “Apology must be as loud as the disrespect” words of a certain man child.

The levels you go to to defend the Bucks is pretty astonishing

 

[Scandale du Jour]

Saying he should be fired for having no business value is just silly. That's just your opinion and his boss obviously feels differently. I'm not much of a fan of him but there's certainly worse wrestlers in both companies especially WWE. He shouldn't have said what he said but it's not his fault that the straight edge bitch threw another hissy fit. Punk may have been they're biggest star but the company is a lot better off without him.

The working environment is undoubtedly better. The business? Might be in the long run. In the short term? It is a hit.

What I am saying is not that Perry should have been fired because he has no value, I am saying that when you have no value AND that you cause a problem, chances are you are going to be fired. I also think he should be fired because it would send a very strong message that no one is above the law. Right now, with the pathetic Meltzer spin and Perry very likely to come back in the short term, the only message being sent is that Punk was the only problem. That's false. The biggest problem is accountability. Tony has no authority. Anyone with a strong enough personality can bascially do what they want in that company.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

Probably just say no. I honestly think it was obviously a fairly smart position for the Bucks. Why waste your time meeting with someone that is still a petulant child. Once things have proven to maybe be different then a sit down happens. But you know Punk had to go out and call Hangman a peg warmer in a shoot 2 weeks after coming back. “Apology must be as loud as the disrespect” words of a certain man child.

Tony is the boss. If he wants a meeting, it will happen. If you refuse the meeting, you have consequences.

The Bucks should not have a say in this and yet they had. That's the problem in AEW. Tony is too soft. "If he behaves for six months"... and then you have your stooges (Nemeth and then Perry) go after him. Even Cutler on Twitter. They just wanted to be rid of him. Fair enough, but that is what it is. Not that they ordered anyone to say anything, but it is obviously what group has a problem with Punk.

Heck, the meeting should have been forced BEFORE All Out 2022. Tony had no way to predict that Punk would blow up, but do not tell me he was not aware of the tensions.

 

[boredmale]

Punk may have been they're biggest star but the company is a lot better off without him.

If my goal was making money, instead of living out my childhood dream of being a booker in the wrestling business who has a lot of friends in the business, I would take Punk over every single one of the Bucks Clique.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

The levels you go to to defend the Bucks is pretty astonishing

I don’t care about the Bucks lol I hate Punk.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Tony is the boss. If he wants a meeting, it will happen. If you refuse the meeting, you have consequences.

The Bucks should not have a say in this and yet they had. That's the problem in AEW. Tony is too soft. "If he behaves for six months"... and then you have your stooges (Nemeth and then Perry) go after him. Even Cutler on Twitter. They just wanted to be rid of him. Fair enough, but that is what it is. Not that they ordered anyone to say anything, but it is obviously what group has a problem with Punk.

Heck, the meeting should have been forced BEFORE All Out 2022. Tony had no way to predict that Punk would blow up, but do not tell me he was not aware of the tensions.

I love how the Bucks are at fault for shit their friends do while at the same time Punk is cutting shoot promos on the Elite on live television. The only thing Tony should have done differently in hindsight is fire Punk after the All Out situation. I mean I could see WBD pulled rank in wanting him to come back but the guy openly buried your company in one of the most blatant displays I’ve ever seen. Take out all the backstage BS with the Elite Punk should have been shit canned without a 2nd thought.

 

[Sheppy]

I'm convinced Punk was trying to get fired.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

I love how the Bucks are at fault for shit their friends do while at the same time Punk is cutting shoot promos on the Elite on live television. The only thing Tony should have done differently in hindsight is fire Punk after the All Out situation. I mean I could see WBD pulled rank in wanting him to come back but the guy openly buried your company in one of the most blatant displays I’ve ever seen. Take out all the backstage BS with the Elite Punk should have been shit canned without a 2nd thought.

Punk is definitely a piece of shit. So are the Bucks. There are no babyfaces here.

In hindsight, Tony should never have let the situation get bad enough for Brawl Out to even happen. It is on him mostly. Egos were clashing and he let them clash. Even bragged about it in a way, when he said that real conflict was good for wrestling.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

I'm convinced Punk was trying to get fired.

Could be, but he would be extremely dumb to "lunge" at the owner and not expect to be fired FOR CAUSE! No severence, bye bye, f*** you.

Unless he has another opportunity lined up, it would be incredibly stupid financially. Might as well just quit then.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

LOL. Corny's gonna have a field day with that one.

This after the F4W crew tried excusing the poor rating and future ratings as the result of college football.

If u wanna see why glass is bad to work with check what happened to Nick Gage in 2009 he almost died.

Something bad with glass just happened in Mexico at Zona 23

I watch mostly Death Matches glass and tubes are overused.

Or just watch Goldberg putting his fist through a car window and cut an artery.

A real glass spot is a dumb idea. The fact that he was told by multiple people not to do it and still was insisting on it is reflective of the fact that Tony has no control over the locker room. You're being told no by bosses and are still trying to do it. Realistically, Punk shouldn't have had to step in at all. That's Tony's fault.

Punk is definitely a piece of shit. So are the Bucks. There are no babyfaces here.

In hindsight, Tony should never have let the situation get bad enough for Brawl Out to even happen. It is on him mostly. Egos were clashing and he let them clash. Even bragged about it in a way, when he said that real conflict was good for wrestling.

Been saying this since last year.

Except Jungle Boy added himself to the group.

 

[Unholy Diver]

Could be, but he would be extremely dumb to "lunge" at the owner and not expect to be fired FOR CAUSE! No severence, bye bye, f*** you.

Unless he has another opportunity lined up, it would be incredibly stupid financially. Might as well just quit then.

How long was he gone? 7 or 8 years? He probably made enough to go another 5-10 without working if he doesn't feel like it

 

[DaaaaB's]

The working environment is undoubtedly better. The business? Might be in the long run. In the short term? It is a hit.

What I am saying is not that Perry should have been fired because he has no value, I am saying that when you have no value AND that you cause a problem, chances are you are going to be fired. I also think he should be fired because it would send a very strong message that no one is above the law. Right now, with the pathetic Meltzer spin and Perry very likely to come back in the short term, the only message being sent is that Punk was the only problem. That's false. The biggest problem is accountability. Tony has no authority. Anyone with a strong enough personality can bascially do what they want in that company.

Fair enough.

 

[DaaaaB's]

If my goal was making money, instead of living out my childhood dream of being a booker in the wrestling business who has a lot of friends in the business, I would take Punk over every single one of the Bucks Clique.

Not really sure what to tell you if you think having the company built around a washed up 45 year old crybaby is a good long term plan.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Punk is 1000% a bigger draw then the Bucks. If you had to pick one, and somehow you knew Punk would actually behave, you pick him every time when creating a roster.

But the reality is he can't behave, it's clear he can't, and thus his drawing power is outweighed by how massive a liability he is.

So knowing that, yeah you should take the Bucks over Punk

 

[Scandale du Jour]

Punk is 1000% a bigger draw then the Bucks. If you had to pick one, and somehow you knew Punk would actually behave, you pick him every time when creating a roster.

But the reality is he can't behave, it's clear he can't, and thus his drawing power is outweighed by how massive a liability he is.

So knowing that, yeah you should take the Bucks over Punk

If Tony knew how to manage people, he would not even have to choose, he could easily have both.

He never took control of his lockerroom and that's why everything that happened has happened.

Considering the Elite are friends with Colt Cabana, there was heat even before Punk was hired. First thing Tony should have done was make sure everything was okay before even hiring Punk. If he could not settle the beef and make sure everyone could work together, he then would have had two choices: 1) Do not hire Punk at all 2) Get rid of Colt Cabana because he was providing no value to his company and be very firm with his EVPs.

Now, I cannot conclude that Tony did not take the right steps before hiring Punk and was not reassured that everything would be cool. For unknown reasons, things were not cool and rumors started that Punk wanted to get rid of Cabana. Who started those rumors and why? Who knows. Punk clearly thinks it was the Young Bucks. Judging by what was said during the press conference at All Out 2022, Tony clearly knew about those problems (the rumors + Punk believing it was the Bucks who were responsible). What was done to stop it? Either very little or Punk just wanted to bury people he hated on his way out. That, we will never know for sure.

Then, the Elite decided to confront Punk in his lockerroom WHILE Tony was still at the presser. That was INCREDIBLY stupid. Especially for executives. When you are in a leadership position, you should know when it is time to address a situation and when it is time to let cooler heads prevail. If they do not go in, there is no fight and Punk is likely the only one facing consequences (he did bury the company and attack coworkers). There were rightfully suspended. Their buddy Meltzer tries his best to spin things in their favor, but at the end of the day, they acted like idiots, get their ass kicked and made a bad situation worse. Just like Punk, they put themselves before the company. Heck, it was VERY obvious when they started making fun of Punk on their YouTube show and during their matches.

Nearly nine months pass and Tony was not able to fix the issue. He should not have brought Punk back until the beef was settled. EVPs do not want to meet or settle the issue? Suspend them again. The only BUSINESS value you are really losing is Omega.... and numbers did not dip when he was suspended the first time. Tony has all the leverage, yet he does not do anything with it. He has no authority and it shows.

Instead, he splits the lockerroom, launches the new show and lives with the Damacles sword above his head. First show, Punk shoots on the Elite. RIght then and there, we should have known things would go bad. Of course the Elite will cry to Meltzer and play politics behind the scene. Punk comes in like that and then is surprised when egotistical children act like it. The stooges (Cutler, Nemeth) started crying on Twitter. Perry acts like a little bitch with his glass spot, etc.

So, at the end of the day, to me, they all are imbeciles. Punk, Omega, the Bucks, Perry and especially Tony.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

Not really sure what to tell you if you think having the company built around a washed up 45 year old crybaby is a good long term plan.

You do not build around Punk, you use Punk to build other guys that you will build around.

Heck, Omega seems to understand that as he is putting Takeshita over in a high profile feud. Kenny is no spring chicken and he destroyed his body. Helping build the next star is what you will make the business grow. Punk said he wanted to do that... but he wanted to do it on his own terms using the guys he liked. Maybe it is the same for Kenny, who knows. The important thing is that he is doing it.

Jericho, Moxley, Danielson, Omega, Joe, Christian and Punk are all quality main-event caliber veterans that can help you transition to the next generation of stars (Starks, Takeshita, Darby and Hobbs being the ones with the most potential, IMO). You can even throw Sting in there.

 

[hockey20000]

Hell yes. This is going to be good. I hope Swerve FINALLY gets a little rub.... he's WWWAAAYYY overdue


Most of Swerve's losses have been criminal. He amd Jay Lethal have been done dirty for way to long

got no problem with jay lethal being done dirty tbh lol

 

[CDJ]

https://x.com/thatsfnw/status/1699979328765710821?s=46&t=8IeqF1lIB1Nis6scLszIqA

Nana is hilarious

 

[sabremike]

If Tony knew how to manage people, he would not even have to choose, he could easily have both.

He never took control of his lockerroom and that's why everything that happened has happened.

Considering the Elite are friends with Colt Cabana, there was heat even before Punk was hired. First thing Tony should have done was make sure everything was okay before even hiring Punk. If he could not settle the beef and make sure everyone could work together, he then would have had two choices: 1) Do not hire Punk at all 2) Get rid of Colt Cabana because he was providing no value to his company and be very firm with his EVPs.

Now, I cannot conclude that Tony did not take the right steps before hiring Punk and was not reassured that everything would be cool. For unknown reasons, things were not cool and rumors started that Punk wanted to get rid of Cabana. Who started those rumors and why? Who knows. Punk clearly thinks it was the Young Bucks. Judging by what was said during the press conference at All Out 2022, Tony clearly knew about those problems (the rumors + Punk believing it was the Bucks who were responsible). What was done to stop it? Either very little or Punk just wanted to bury people he hated on his way out. That, we will never know for sure.

Then, the Elite decided to confront Punk in his lockerroom WHILE Tony was still at the presser. That was INCREDIBLY stupid. Especially for executives. When you are in a leadership position, you should know when it is time to address a situation and when it is time to let cooler heads prevail. If they do not go in, there is no fight and Punk is likely the only one facing consequences (he did bury the company and attack coworkers). There were rightfully suspended. Their buddy Meltzer tries his best to spin things in their favor, but at the end of the day, they acted like idiots, get their ass kicked and made a bad situation worse. Just like Punk, they put themselves before the company. Heck, it was VERY obvious when they started making fun of Punk on their YouTube show and during their matches.

Nearly nine months pass and Tony was not able to fix the issue. He should not have brought Punk back until the beef was settled. EVPs do not want to meet or settle the issue? Suspend them again. The only BUSINESS value you are really losing is Omega.... and numbers did not dip when he was suspended the first time. Tony has all the leverage, yet he does not do anything with it. He has no authority and it shows.

Instead, he splits the lockerroom, launches the new show and lives with the Damacles sword above his head. First show, Punk shoots on the Elite. RIght then and there, we should have known things would go bad. Of course the Elite will cry to Meltzer and play politics behind the scene. Punk comes in like that and then is surprised when egotistical children act like it. The stooges (Cutler, Nemeth) started crying on Twitter. Perry acts like a little bitch with his glass spot, etc.

So, at the end of the day, to me, they all are imbeciles. Punk, Omega, the Bucks, Perry and especially Tony.

You know who else was good friends with Colt?

VIRTUALLY THE ENTIRE AEW LOCKER ROOM.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

You know who else was good friends with Colt?

VIRTUALLY THE ENTIRE AEW LOCKER ROOM.

Who f***ing cares?

You think Peter Avalon or any other indy guy who got a high paying job from Tony matter? They don't.

The Bucks have sway and that's why you needed to get them on board with Punk coming in BECAUSE of the beef with Cabana. Make sure it does not become a distraction and that your leaders do not make it one. They did.