AEW All Elite Wrestling #9: Mox Aggressor Brings the Blood

[End of Line]

Imo at the end of the day the fact that Tony Khan cannot control his employees is what has lead to all of this. Punk and The Bucks are responsible for the issues that have built to this don’t get me wrong. But, as President and CEO of a company you are the boss, not the employees. Factor in all the awkward pictures of Khan hugging his employees as if they’re like teddy bears makes it seem they all know they can walk right over him. He just wants to be their friend instead of leading a company.

 

[DaaaaB's]

You do not build around Punk, you use Punk to build other guys that you will build around.

Heck, Omega seems to understand that as he is putting Takeshita over in a high profile feud. Kenny is no spring chicken and he destroyed his body. Helping build the next star is what you will make the business grow. Punk said he wanted to do that... but he wanted to do it on his own terms using the guys he liked. Maybe it is the same for Kenny, who knows. The important thing is that he is doing it.

Jericho, Moxley, Danielson, Omega, Joe, Christian and Punk are all quality main-event caliber veterans that can help you transition to the next generation of stars (Starks, Takeshita, Darby and Hobbs being the ones with the most potential, IMO). You can even throw Sting in there.

Well yeah obviously, I just have no reason to believe Punk was actually going to do that. He's a manipulative crybaby bitch and to be quite frank I think he's a f***ing nerd.

 

[sabremike]

Who f***ing cares?

You think Peter Avalon or any other indy guy who got a high paying job from Tony matter? They don't.

The Bucks have sway and that's why you needed to get them on board with Punk coming in BECAUSE of the beef with Cabana. Make sure it does not become a distraction and that your leaders do not make it one. They did.

Remember how Peter Avalon created an entire business model that allowed guys to make a comfortable living working on the indy scene?

Oh wait, that was Colt.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

Remember how Peter Avalon created an entire business model that allowed guys to make a comfortable living working on the indy scene?

Oh wait, that was Colt.

Once again, so?

It might show why people like him, but it does not justify Tony being a spineless coward. I fail to see what your point is.

 

[CDJ]

Once again, so?

It might show why people like him, but it does not justify Tony being a spineless coward. I fail to see what your point is.

Step 1: joint bank account with mom
Step 2: mediocre comedy wrestling + podcast
Step 3: profit

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Step 1: joint bank account with mom
Step 2: mediocre comedy wrestling + podcast
Step 3: profit

Is it possible....maybe the guy is just taking care of his mom? Punk was reaching f***ing hard on that one.

 

[sabremike]

Step 1: joint bank account with mom
Step 2: mediocre comedy wrestling + podcast
Step 3: profit

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[CDJ]

Is it possible....maybe the guy is just taking care of his mom? Punk was reaching f***ing hard on that one.

I think it was more of a shot at what might come out in discovery if things continued in court (the implication that he’s evading taxes on some of his cash indie payouts would be my guess…either that or he’s saying his parents financially support him, which tbh I would find hard to believe)


Regardless, he shouldn’t be factoring into what a company does with an actual draw. But if he must then I think Scandale is right when he said everything should have been smoothed over before Punk even made his debut. Instead the situation was allowed to fester and now many fights later we are here, and quite literally nobody benefitted from this.

 

[boredmale]

Not really sure what to tell you if you think having the company built around a washed up 45 year old crybaby is a good long term plan.

It's more about my opinion of the bucks and Co then Punk, give me 2-3 years with the washed up 45 year old who i can make money with basically

 

[sabremike]

Love the idea that the Bucks intended to get into a fight with Punk after the gripebomb because everyone knows that if you intend to attack someone you make sure and bring the head of the company's legal department with you.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

Love the idea that the Bucks intended to get into a fight with Punk after the gripebomb because everyone knows that if you intend to attack someone you make sure and bring the head of the company's legal department with you.

Who here sais they wanted a fight? I just said it was dumb to address the situation that night.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

You do not build around Punk, you use Punk to build other guys that you will build around.

Heck, Omega seems to understand that as he is putting Takeshita over in a high profile feud. Kenny is no spring chicken and he destroyed his body. Helping build the next star is what you will make the business grow. Punk said he wanted to do that... but he wanted to do it on his own terms using the guys he liked. Maybe it is the same for Kenny, who knows. The important thing is that he is doing it.

Jericho, Moxley, Danielson, Omega, Joe, Christian and Punk are all quality main-event caliber veterans that can help you transition to the next generation of stars (Starks, Takeshita, Darby and Hobbs being the ones with the most potential, IMO). You can even throw Sting in there.

Someone needs to tell Sting it's OK to lose a match or two. The guy seems to only come out to win at PPVs.

The rest of your point I wholeheartedly agree with. It's a time honored tradition that the veterans that are sun-setting their careers build up and put over the next generation. Rock did this with Lesnar, then Cena when he came back. Macho Man did this with Warrior. Lesnar did this with Reigns, then Cody.

It seems like the guys that are egomaniac narcissists like Hogan and Punk have trouble losing to the younger generation.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

It's more about my opinion of the bucks and Co then Punk, give me 2-3 years with the washed up 45 year old who i can make money with basically

Why do I care what wrestler makes money for the company though? Like I guess it is somewhat cool but like John Cena was a bigger draw then Kurt Angle but I would personally rather watch Angle over anything prime Cena did. Punk is a draw, I am sure that was appealing to Tony and definitely a major reason why he was given as much rope to hang himself as he was....but as a wrestling fan? I could like fall out of bed and name 10 wrestlers on the roster I would rather see then CM Punk right now lol

 

[mrmovies779]

Why do I care what wrestler makes money for the company though? Like I guess it is somewhat cool but like John Cena was a bigger draw then Kurt Angle but I would personally rather watch Angle over anything prime Cena did. Punk is a draw, I am sure that was appealing to Tony and definitely a major reason why he was given as much rope to hang himself as he was....but as a wrestling fan? I could like fall out of bed and name 10 wrestlers on the roster I would rather see then CM Punk right now lol

Would those 10 wrestlers be the draw Punk was?No?

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Would those 10 wrestlers be the draw Punk was?No?

I wouldn't give a f*** one way or the other. I am not making money off Punk making money lol I laid that out pretty plain in the post you quoted.

 

[boredmale]

Why do I care what wrestler makes money for the company though?

My comment was in response to "Punk may have been they're biggest star but the company is a lot better off without him.". To me at the end of the day in terms of any business, it would be the bottom line(ie making money)

I may hate the WWe product of the last decade or so but I can't deny Vince McCmahon is a genius turning his company into a multi billion dollar entity so it's hard to call out any of what I would consider his bad choices to ruin the product.

 

[CDJ]

Someone needs to tell Sting it's OK to lose a match or two. The guy seems to only come out to win at PPVs.

The rest of your point I wholeheartedly agree with. It's a time honored tradition that the veterans that are sun-setting their careers build up and put over the next generation. Rock did this with Lesnar, then Cena when he came back. Macho Man did this with Warrior. Lesnar did this with Reigns, then Cody.

It seems like the guys that are egomaniac narcissists like Hogan and Punk have trouble losing to the younger generation.

While an egomaniac and a narcissist, I don’t think Punk has any issues putting younger talent over. Wasn’t he just pinned by Starks?

Definitely not to hogan’s level. Hogan is on a whole different level

 

[TheBeastCoast]

My comment was in response to "Punk may have been they're biggest star but the company is a lot better off without him.". To me at the end of the day in terms of any business, it would be the bottom line(ie making money)

I may hate the WWe product of the last decade or so but I can't deny Vince McCmahon is a genius turning his company into a multi billion dollar entity so it's hard to call out any of what I would consider his bad choices to ruin the product.

The company can be better off without him while also taking a financial hit with him leaving. This is a private wrestling company run by a young billionaire. They aren't going anywhere anytime soon. Punk was more trouble backstage then he was worth to the company. AEW is absolutely better off with him gone.

 

[CDJ]

The company can be better off without him while also taking a financial hit with him leaving. This is a private wrestling company run by a young billionaire. They aren't going anywhere anytime soon. Punk was more trouble backstage then he was worth to the company. AEW is absolutely better off with him gone.

*Run by the son of a billionaire

Daddy says no more cheese, AEW goes bye bye. Fortunately I think AEW has been a success to date so I don’t see that happening

 

[TheBeastCoast]

*Run by the son of a billionaire

Daddy says no more cheese, AEW goes bye bye. Fortunately I think AEW has been a success to date so I don’t see that happening

Tony Khan has a net worth of 1.5 billion. He is obviously a nepo baby....but he is a billionaire nepo baby.

 

[boredmale]

The company can be better off without him while also taking a financial hit with him leaving. This is a private wrestling company run by a young billionaire. They aren't going anywhere anytime soon. Punk was more trouble backstage then he was worth to the company. AEW is absolutely better off with him gone.

I guess I should point out again, part of my statement is that I think you can get some use out of CM Punk and the name value he brings. In the case of the Bucks, it's addition by subtraction

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

While an egomaniac and a narcissist, I don’t think Punk has any issues putting younger talent over. Wasn’t he just pinned by Starks?

Definitely not to hogan’s level. Hogan is on a whole different level

He was pinned by Starks but then went on the mic and said, "You can't beat me without cheating!" and then continued to beat Starks.

That's not exactly putting over your opponent. It's cheapening the win.

 

[CDJ]

He was pinned by Starks but then went on the mic and said, "You can't beat me without cheating!" and then continued to beat Starks.

That's not exactly putting over your opponent. It's cheapening the win.

Hogan ain’t even giving a guy like starks anything close to that though, I think they’re on different levels in they regard

I think his feud with MJF did more for MJF than anything else has so far too tbh

 

[Clint Eastwood]

I think Sting should retire from AEW undefeated.

A guy "putting someone over" on the way out is overrated in 2023. Corbin beating Angle did nothing, even when Theory beat Cena, it arguably made him worse off. Sure it can be done properly, but Sting's a legend and I'd like to see him go out with a goose egg in the L column. Apparently he's pretty chill though so I doubt that'll be the case.

 

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