Proposal: All Bruins trade rumors/proposals: 16/17 Part VIII

[Fonzerelli]

The non-NHL regular prospects we know that Colorado has had eyes on since Dom's tweet last Monday

Cehlarik, JFK, Donato, Fitzgerald, McAvoy (untouchable), Gabrielle and Sherman.

That's the ones we know of anyways

Also worth noting we are pretty void of picks this year and Colorado has many. Perhaps part of "the plan" is spreading out our prospect pool a bit in terms of age. Perhaps the framework is something like this;

To Boston:
Landeskog
Tyutin
4th round pick in 2017

To Colorado:
Carlo
Any 3 of (Cehlarik, Donato, Fitzgerald, Gabrielle, Sherman)

 

[Fonzerelli]

JFK and Gabrielle should stay on the untouchables list, at least in my books. I think they're both too good to let go. In fact, I would probably move McAvoy before those two.

I'm with you on the value of Gabrielle & JFK, but neither one those guys is ahead of McAvoy. Pretty sure he's solid as our #1 most untouchable prospect. Also, when bringing in a player of Landeskog's value I don't think JFK and Gabrielle are untouchable. Close, but not quite. McAvoy is though, IMO

But I am also in the camp that NHL teams should be going for it every year. I'm all for re-tooling but re-building should only occur after massive incompetence shatters a franchise ... like maybe what's happened in Colorado, but that's not us.

 

[GoBs]

We disagree on the upside of Landeskog, current and future and Carlo, current and future.

I think you over-value Carlo and under-value Landeskog.

You think I do the opposite.

Easy to see why we can't agree.

That's ok to. The world would be an awful boring place if we all agreed. If we can keep Carlo and get Lando, most Bruins fans would be excited I think ... unless it involves JFK ... then we'll be talking Dan off the ledge.

Over value Carlo?
He is 19 and playing on you first line D pairing and could be there for the next 15 years. They trade this kid they are nuts and I think they know that.

 

[Mad Dr Pepper]

Yawn

So... WHEN IS IT HAPPENING !?!?!?!

 

[Fonzerelli]

Over value Carlo?
He is 19 and playing on you first line D pairing and could be there for the next 15 years. They trade this kid they are nuts and I think they know that.

He is not 19. He was 19 a year ago today. But he is not 19 right now. He turns 21 this year. Same as Pastrnak. Carlo plays first pairing out of neccesity, not because that's what he is, nor is he projected to be that, nor was he ever projected to be that. I love Carlo, but his mole hill has taken on mountain form here in the past 2 weeks.

 

[BsEuphoria]

There better not be a dish of Pasta even coming close in any of these talks

 

[DKH]

I'm with you on the value of Gabrielle & JFK, but neither one those guys is ahead of McAvoy. Pretty sure he's solid as our #1 most untouchable prospect. Also, when bringing in a player of Landeskog's value I don't think JFK and Gabrielle are untouchable. Close, but not quite. McAvoy is though, IMO

But I am also in the camp that NHL teams should be going for it every year. I'm all for re-tooling but re-building should only occur after massive incompetence shatters a franchise ... like maybe what's happened in Colorado, but that's not us.

David Quinn says JFK reminds him of Toews

Some say Bergeron

I say Oates

Others say who cares he could be a bust and overhyped

Time will tell but on the face I can see him and Pasta dominant

 

[ON3M4N]

The thing is that such trade would not be, or at least should not be, only for this year.
Not saying it doesn't matter, but does evaluating Cehlarik, the 3rd line or whatever for 4 or 5 more games will give us a much better idea, or a definitive idea of where all this is going?
To us fans, maybe, but I hope that's not the case for management.

If Cehlarik plays and produces like a top 6 and the 3rd line gels, you don't need to trade for Landeskog and you keep Carlo. In the off-season you can explore Landeskog again or roll him (Carlo) out with McAvoy next year.

Maybe it's me, but I don't see see Landeskog as a need if the cost is a young RHD...especially considering our team need is to improve the right side of our defense. If the Bruins go out west and continue to score at/around (under Cassidy) 4.67 G/G then why go out and get another forward?

 

[DKH]

If Cehlarik plays and produces like a top 6 and the 3rd line gels, you don't need to trade for Landeskog and you keep Carlo. In the off-season you can explore Landeskog again or roll him out with McAvoy next year.

Maybe it's me, but I don't see see Landeskog as a need if the cost is a young RHD...especially considering our team need is to improve the right side of our defense. If the Bruins go out west and continue to score at/around (under Cassidy) 4.67 G/G then why go out and get another forward?

I agree

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

David Quinn says JFK reminds him of Toews

Some say Bergeron

I say Oates

Others say who cares he could be a bust and overhyped

Time will tell but on the face I can see him and Pasta dominant

so dan if you had to choose do you move JFK or Donato?

 

[weaponomega]

He is not 19. He was 19 a year ago today. But he is not 19 right now. He turns 21 this year. Same as Pastrnak. Carlo plays first pairing out of neccesity, not because that's what he is, nor is he projected to be that, nor was he ever projected to be that. I love Carlo, but his mole hill has taken on mountain form here in the past 2 weeks.

I completely disagree. No 19 year old defenseman, especially under Julien, plays 1st pairing minutes out of necessity. Carlo played that position because he showed he was capable and was excelling for most of the year. He's hit his speed bumps, but given the average trajectory of any 19 year old defenseman who has shown the capability that he has looks to be a dominant defenseman in the next 3 or 4 years.

Trading him for Landeskog is silly in my opinion.

 

[Over the volcano]

If Cehlarik plays and produces like a top 6 and the 3rd line gels, you don't need to trade for Landeskog and you keep Carlo. In the off-season you can explore Landeskog again or roll him out with McAvoy next year.

Maybe it's me, but I don't see see Landeskog as a need if the cost is a young RHD...especially considering our team need is to improve the right side of our defense. If the Bruins go out west and continue to score at/around (under Cassidy) 4.67 G/G then why go out and get another forward?

Waiting for a rookie to fill in the top six and for the third line to gel has been the question for years now. We don't have to wait for that any longer with Landiskog

 

[Beantown1616]

I get that it's nice to have a shiny new toy but with a mediocre squad this year and cap issues on the horizon, I'd like to keep our cost-controlled lottery tickets (many of whom look quite good).

Plus, we're not even talking about a 35 goal scorer coming back.

 

[LouJersey]

We will regret it if Lando gets dealt to Montreal IMO.

 

[Alan Ryan]

The more I think about it, the more Spooner makes sense to me. He's a replacement of sorts for Lando and fits with the Colorado rebuild. He's not a great fit in Boston, IMO.

Carlo + Spooner + Hayes + Fitzgerald

for

Lando + Tyutin

It doesn't really fit the current narratives, but it works

That's what I would like. Can't see Spooner in Boston next year, with the need for a new contract this summer.

 

[dredeye]

David Quinn says JFK reminds him of Toews

Some say Bergeron

I say Oates

Others say who cares he could be a bust and overhyped

Time will tell but on the face I can see him and Pasta dominant

For the simple chance he could be a 2.0 of any of them you need to hang onto him and pray.

 

[Oates2Neely]

What does him being a captain on a last place team have anything to do with that? How do you know he wasn't ready for it? It's not his fault Colorado is a mess.

We're trading prospects....we're not dealing someone like Pasta who is clearly the best player in the deal. I can understand if we continue to unload elite talent and get stiffs back, but this is the opposite....our team needs young talent that can play now and be important going forward.

Because the Avs have done nothing but fail under his captaincy.

"Prospects" is a broad characterization. Carlo is a prospect, Jared Knight was a prospect, Sidney Crosby, Andy Dellmore..... Carlo JFK Bjork and some other names being tossed around freely here are kids who may or may not have solid careers. Carlo is already proving he belongs at the tender age of 20. Is Landeskog the missing piece to another Bruins Cup? He's a solid forward, who has averaged 21 goals 50ish points thus far in his young career. He's by no means a game breaker. Would I like him on the team? Sure. Would I give up a package including Carlo JFK +? Hell no. Let someone else overpay for him. I don't think Toronto is offering up Morgan Reilly for Sakic. I hope Sweeney keeps his focus

 

[Bruwinz37]

This team with GL is still, at absolute best, second round and out. Why give up so many young assets?

I like the player....but not at the rumored cost. Just be patient and other deals will present themselves.

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

We will regret it if Lando gets dealt to Montreal IMO.

I think Duchene fills a need for them more than Landeskog, but I dread the Habs getting either one.

 

[Mad Dr Pepper]

I get that it's nice to have a shiny new toy but with a mediocre squad this year and cap issues on the horizon, I'd like to keep our cost-controlled lottery tickets (many of whom look quite good).

Plus, we're not even talking about a 35 goal scorer coming back.

But, but..... I love shiny toys... But I get ya...






So......



Is Landeskog a Bruins yet

 

[Blowfish]

How about Carlo, Spooner and 1st for Landeskog, Erik Johnson

Please not spooner. He and Marchand only dynamic players.

 

[ON3M4N]

Waiting for a rookie to fill in the top six and for the third line to gel has been the question for years now. We don't have to wait for that any longer with Landiskog

But Landeskog alone doesn't make you a cup contender. So in reality your robbing your defense to help your offense, but your offense under Cassidy has looked pretty strong.

If Boston traded Carlo and didn't replace him, you have the same exact defense that was part of the collapse last year. How does that make any sense?

I'd rather have a future with Carlo/McAvoy occupying our top 4 vs Landeskog. It's not like we're thin w/ forward prospects, that's what confuses me about this move a little bit. If we had no winger help on the way, then ok, but that's not the case.

 

[LouJersey]

I get that it's nice to have a shiny new toy but with a mediocre squad this year and cap issues on the horizon, I'd like to keep our cost-controlled lottery tickets (many of whom look quite good).

Plus, we're not even talking about a 35 goal scorer coming back.

Who? Carlo I get, but if Sakic is willing to take a few prospects, we should pony up IMO providing they all aren't A level.

C: JFK, Donato, Frederic
W: Debrusk, Senyshyn, Gabrielle, Bjork, Heinen, Cehlarik.
D: McAvoy, Lauzon, Zboril, Lindgren, O'Gara.

should be some mix you would be comfortable with.

 

[Fonzerelli]

I completely disagree. No 19 year old defenseman, especially under Julien, plays 1st pairing minutes out of necessity. Carlo played that position because he showed he was capable and was excelling for most of the year. He's hit his speed bumps, but given the average trajectory of any 19 year old defenseman who has shown the capability that he has looks to be a dominant defenseman in the next 3 or 4 years.

Trading him for Landeskog is silly in my opinion.

Brandon Carlo as a 19 year old under Julien - 21GP, 2G, 2A, 4pts +9
Brandon Carlo as a 20 year old under Julien - 34GP, 2G, 6A, 8pts -10

+9 to -10?

People talk about Landeskog's reduction in points going from .72 ppg to .71 ppg and no one is talking about this disturbing trend?

 

[Fenian24]

Can we put the breaks on Cehlarik for just a minute? I'm seeing people calling him a top 6 winger and some claiming we don't need Landeskog because of him. While I think he has played two very good games HE HAS PLAYED TWO GAMES. Bad example but if Austin Matthews had scored 4 games for the Bruins in his first game there would have been some demanding his number be retired before his second game.

Nice player so far, very good bargaining chip. Let's just grab a slight hold of reality and not have him in the hall of fame just yet.