Proposal: All Bruins trade rumors/proposals: 16/17 Part VIII

[riverhawkey91]

From a depth perspective who else from Colorado could the Bruins have interest in along with Landeskog (excluding Duchene and MacKinnon ).
Just spit balling here assume Boston sends a package of Zboril, Beleskey, Hayes, and Morrow ... what could Boston get back along with Landeskog? (That is basically giving Colorado 2 firsts - one of which is a youngish PMD needing a chance to play, the other a very good prospect, plus two serviceable NHL wingers.)(yeah, I know Hayes hasn't done much here, but that could have been the system.)
Not saying Colorado would accept that, but I'm more interested in what Boston is looking to get back.

If that's the package Boston is sending, they shouldn't be looking to get anything else back. Zboril is a good prospect, but 2 cap dumps and a D who hasn't proven he's capable of playing in the NHL after all these teams and years? Colorado wouldn't touch that on its own let alone add something we could want.

 

[ashnathan]

They could even be looking at Colin Miller for all we know. Im happy where were at 'for now'. Let's see how we go after the break before we make a **** trade. I have no interest, absolutely 0 in Landeakog so i might be bised against the trade. But in saying that id rather hang on to what we have (especially our young D) and address stuff in the off season. We have a team that on its night can literally beat anyone, but we also have a team that can decide not to show up and get belted by the worst team in the league, so im not going all in on anything here at the moment, stand pat Sweeney!

 

[JAD]

If that's the package Boston is sending, they shouldn't be looking to get anything else back. Zboril is a good prospect, but 2 cap dumps and a D who hasn't proven he's capable of playing in the NHL after all these teams and years? Colorado wouldn't touch that on it's own let alone add something we could want.

Maybe, but it gives Colorado 3 players who could step in and play right away. Also trying to make $ work. Hayes has one year left and Morrow gets a chance to play for a new contract.
Otherwise, I really just want to know who Boston could be eyeing.

 

[Knight]

So if we were betting folk, what would we say the odds are for this deal going down for Landeskog?

 

[ashnathan]

So if we were betting folk, what would we say the odds are for this deal going down for Landeskog?

I feel like it should have happened by now if it was going to. I think Avs are still asking for Mac/Carlo to get the conversation going and Sweeney is saying no. Hopefully it stays that way. If we're giving away crucial pieces like that then I want Duchene, im not settling for Landeskog.

 

[PlayMakers]

So if we were betting folk, what would we say the odds are for this deal going down for Landeskog?

My guess at the odds are 60/40 that it is going to happen.

 

[Greek_physique]

Would anyone be upset if the roster player was Vatrano?

 

[Coach Parker]

Depends on the 4 players.

If one of the 4 is getting them out of that currently awful looking Belesky contract, changes the complexion of the deal.

With you here.

Cannot underestimate the value of a contract like that being directly swapped out for Landeskog.

 

[riverhawkey91]

Maybe, but it gives Colorado 3 players who could step in and play right away. Also trying to make $ work. Hayes has one year left and Morrow gets a chance to play for a new contract.
Otherwise, I really just want to know who Boston could be eyeing.

Nieto and Tyutin would probably be the only two of interest. But if we're looking to add one of them as well, that would just increase the amount we'd have to send to Colorado in the deal.

There are other things to consider as well. You can't move Beleskey and Hayes in the same deal because you need one of them for the expansion draft. That gives them limited options for dumping cap, and anyone else you're looking to bring in would likely carry some cap.

I'm not saying they aren't necessarily looking at other players as well, but if we're already having trouble hitting the proper value while not including Carlo, it'll be even tougher when adding more pieces.

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

Unless the Bruins are acquiring MacKinnon (doubtful) or Duchene, I'm not overly fond of the idea that we are (likely) overpaying for intangibles (yet again).

 

[riverhawkey91]

Would anyone be upset if the roster player was Vatrano?

As long as the deal doesn't include Carlo/McAvoy and there isn't too much on top of Vatrano + Zboril/Lauzon, then not at all.

I think I suggested Zboril + Vatrano + Beleskey + Gabrielle in the last trade thread.

 

[PlayMakers]

I think that's realistically a trade we could all live with. Curious, do you value Lauzon higher than Zboril at this point? Towards GloryDaze's suggestion, I would have thought switching from Lauzon to Zboril would offset downgrading from JFK to Gabrielle, but obviously not if Lauzon is viewed higher now.

Ultimately, if we're adding Landeskog without giving up Carlo, I don't think any forward prospect should be off the table. With the entire top 6 signed long-term, there really just aren't enough slots available, and while it would hurt to lose JFK (who some are dubbing Bergeron's future replacement), we have 6+ years to find another and plenty of other prospects to make it work in the meantime.

Yes, I value Lauzon more than Zboril. I assumed Glory did too when he suggested we try to swap them. I could have misread that.

I agree with the second part. It hurts to lose JFK but you have to give to get and if McAvoy and Carlo aren't in the deal then they get to rummage through the cupboards and take what they want. It's a good time for the Bruins to move 4 quarters for a silver dollar. The Bruins have depth everywhere... if they lose JFK they have Frederic coming along in a year or two and the time between now and then to build in some more depth at C.

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

So you deal a key peice of your franchise and the only player that hits the ice for you this year and possibly next is Belesky.

Sorry, that just aint happening. We can all hope it does, but it ain't.

we traded Dougie Hamilton for picks, none of which have played in the NHL yet and we weren't even in a full rebuild. What makes you think Colorado requires players who can play now? They're going to have a top 4 pick and get a bunch of assets back. They can afford to be patient, especially if they're getting younger.

 

[ODAAT]

Would anyone be upset if the roster player was Vatrano?

upset? Nope, like the kid alot, and I suggested Vatrano as a possibility going the other way being young too, a left hand shot etc...

 

[Fonzerelli]

I pass

I'm going to agree with Dan here. If you're initials are JFK, don't you have to play in Boston. I mean you could go to Washington, but that doesn't end well ...

 

[Greek_physique]

upset? Nope, like the kid alot, and I suggested Vatrano as a possibility going the other way being young too, a left hand shot etc...

If Colorado needs a roster player back (which certain happens when top players are traded) I really wonder if he's someone that becomes a bigger part of the equation.

We all know Colorado will acquire picks/prospects, but they'll need a roster player not named Hayes or Belesky.

 

[sirmaxalot]

I'm going to agree with Dan here. If you're initials are JFK, don't you have to play in Boston. I mean you could go to Washington, but that doesn't end well ...

Too soon...

 

[Vdub]

I'm going to agree with Dan here. If you're initials are JFK, don't you have to play in Boston. I mean you could go to Washington, but that doesn't end well ...

Dallas won't be a good spot either.....

 

[Fonzerelli]

Lauzon, Heinen, Belesky, ________.

Fill in the blank.

Or are these other prospects non-starters?

I think it's more like Carlo, Heinen, Hayes, ________.

Fill in the blank.

If Colorado sees themselves in re-build, they can eat Hayes for one more year but not Beleskey for 3.

 

[PlayMakers]

we traded Dougie Hamilton for picks, none of which have played in the NHL yet and we weren't even in a full rebuild. What makes you think Colorado requires players who can play now? They're going to have a top 4 pick and get a bunch of assets back. They can afford to be patient, especially if they're getting younger.

We traded Kessel for picks. We traded Lucic for prospects and picks.

 

[DKH]

I'm going to agree with Dan here. If you're initials are JFK, don't you have to play in Boston. I mean you could go to Washington, but that doesn't end well ...

They trade JFK I'm a non Sweeney guy - any membership fees?

 

[Absurdity]

For a team wanting goid D now I cant see that deal working nor do I want it to. JFK is the only 'stud' C we have in our prospect pool. Id rather hang onto him long term, hes gonna be special.

So you deal a key peice of your franchise and the only player that hits the ice for you this year and possibly next is Belesky.

Sorry, that just aint happening. We can all hope it does, but it ain't.

Ugh

Colorado needs a LD more than a RD with Barrie and EJ being their top 4 RD. If Colorado wants a good D now, they are still dangling Duchene to obtain that defenseman. If Duchene could return someone like Faulk from Carolina, I think Colorado could be willing to accept futures for Landeskog to replenish their prospect pool.

It would be tough trading JFK as he is most likely in the Bruins' top 3 best prospects. However, you have to look at who the Bruins currently have at center, players that can play center, and upcoming center prospects. Bergeron isn't going anywhere any time soon. Krejci as well due to his contract right now. A couple of months ago, Sweeney coupled Pastrnak and Spooner as young players that may not fit the Bruins' mantra, but are part of the Bruins' future. Add that to the fact that Spooner hasn't been traded yet leads me to believe Sweeney likes Spooner. Unless Spooner is asking for something ridiculous, I wouldn't be surprised if Spooner is re-signed. The Bruins also have Backes who can play center if needed. Landeskog can play center, and he is going to be part of the Bruins' future. Then the Bruins have Frederic and Donato who in 2-3 years you hope are ready just in time Bergeron and Krejci leave their prime. The Bruins can also draft centers in the upcoming years. It doesn't have to be JFK. If Colorado wants Frederic or Donato instead, replace JFK in the package with one of them.

If it is to be believed that Landeskog will factor in the short and long term success of the Bruins, then I would rather the Bruins trade a package like JFK/Donato/Frederic + Gabrielle + Zboril + Beleskey for Landeskog than Carlo++.

 

[Greek_physique]

They trade JFK I'm a non Sweeney guy - any membership fees?

I have to admit, I haven't followed this kid much.

What's his ceiling? Who does he remind you of?

 

[DKH]

I have to admit, I haven't followed this kid much.

What's his ceiling? Who does he remind you of?

Oates

JFK-Pastrnak will be incredible

If Sweeney includes him I know it was for the playoffs and not in the best interest going forward

He's a legit top 2 center and the guys in front are 30 & 31

We will look back and wonder wtf in a few years

I'd rather give up Carlo in all honesty

 

[Fonzerelli]

the fact that Spooner hasn't been traded yet leads me to believe Sweeney likes Spooner. Unless Spooner is asking for something ridiculous, I wouldn't be surprised if Spooner is re-signed.

The more I think about it, the more Spooner makes sense to me. He's a replacement of sorts for Lando and fits with the Colorado rebuild. He's not a great fit in Boston, IMO.

Carlo + Spooner + Hayes + Fitzgerald

for

Lando + Tyutin

It doesn't really fit the current narratives, but it works