Proposal: All Bruins trade rumors/proposals: 16/17 Part VIII

[Dizzay]

Just went back to that article and now instead of "said to include 5 players" says "3 prospects and the Bruins targeting Landeskog".

I trust about 1% of what the guy says but if that's the truth, 3 prospects +Landeskog and I'm hoping the 5th is Hayes/Beleskey

 

[DKH]

Dan, what would you be willing to give for Landeskog?

I wish I didn't key on JFK last Friday at Lowell.

I'd offer one of Zboril/Lauzon and one of DeBrusk/Cehlarik/Gabrielle/Heinen the first rounder

Landeskog is not a need Carlo is a need, JFK will be a need in 2 years

Landeskog is like me going out and buying a motorcycle - I want it but I don't need it

 

[LouJersey]

Agree problem is the rumored package is like it's for Laine

Can't argue too much there, Colorado would be getting a lot of talent.

 

[riverhawkey91]

David Quinn says JFK reminds him of Toews

Some say Bergeron

I say Oates

Others say who cares he could be a bust and overhyped

Time will tell but on the face I can see him and Pasta dominant

Do you think he has the offensive game to approach any of those guys?

I know he's on a hot strike right now which has solidified some people's opinions a bit, but I thought I remembered his offensive ceiling being a concern when discussed prior to this streak. I've always thought of him as one of our safest prospects, as his all-around game makes him at worst a solid 3rd line center, but has he really stepped up his offense enough to jump him to a future 1/2C?

 

[Number8]

Brandon Carlo as a 19 year old under Julien - 21GP, 2G, 2A, 4pts +9
Brandon Carlo as a 20 year old under Julien - 34GP, 2G, 6A, 8pts -10

+9 to -10?

People talk about Landeskog's reduction in points going from .72 ppg to .71 ppg and no one is talking about this disturbing trend?

A 19/20 year old kid playing first D minutes -- I don't think we should and be surprised he's hit a bit of a rookie wall IMO.

I believe there's a reason he's playing top D pairing. Part positive and part scary.

One, because he's shown he's pretty capable of doing it despite the somewhat Herculean task that is asking of him. Two, because Bruins have very few options but to put him there. That in my view is the problem.

If you get your wish, what is your proposal for helping what obviously, at that point, is a weak 1-6? Not a smart ass question by the way. It's an honest, and I think fair, question.

I'm looking for someone to make me feel better about what I think is a weak defense -- other than that we have some good prospects. I think we all know that young D prospects often fall short -- or at least can take significant time to grow and develop.

 

[bruinmann77]

I completely disagree. No 19 year old defenseman, especially under Julien, plays 1st pairing minutes out of necessity. Carlo played that position because he showed he was capable and was excelling for most of the year. He's hit his speed bumps, but given the average trajectory of any 19 year old defenseman who has shown the capability that he has looks to be a dominant defenseman in the next 3 or 4 years.

Trading him for Landeskog is silly in my opinion.

totally agree

 

[22Brad Park]

I wish I didn't key on JFK last Friday at Lowell.

I'd offer one of Zboril/Lauzon and one of DeBrusk/Cehlarik/Gabrielle/Heinen the first rounder

Landeskog is not a need Carlo is a need, JFK will be a need in 2 years

Landeskog is like me going out and buying a motorcycle - I want it but I don't need it

Pretty much the way I see it.One thing is for sure.Going to really see what kind of General manager the Boston Bruins have very soon.He had is baptism freebie last year.

 

[22Brad Park]

Brandon Carlo as a 19 year old under Julien - 21GP, 2G, 2A, 4pts +9
Brandon Carlo as a 20 year old under Julien - 34GP, 2G, 6A, 8pts -10

+9 to -10?

People talk about Landeskog's reduction in points going from .72 ppg to .71 ppg and no one is talking about this disturbing trend?

Go watch Dougie Hamilton up close .From the time Bruins traded him till now its not even close to the same player he was in Bruins uniform..He is a monster with the muscle he put on.Bruins best be careful here Fonz.Judging a 20 yr old so harsh is a mistake.Best example I could think of.Why are we so hard on our young kids here????

 

[bruinmann77]

we all complained about having no young defenseman but now some want to move Carlo who playing top Mins sure he struggle at times but he is 19 and is learning this is what the team needs. I hope mac and lazuon make the move too. But I keep what we have and think either one of Gabrielle JFK or Sensh can be just as good as the guy fro colorado

 

[BruinsPortugal]

I wish I didn't key on JFK last Friday at Lowell.

I'd offer one of Zboril/Lauzon and one of DeBrusk/Cehlarik/Gabrielle/Heinen the first rounder

Landeskog is not a need Carlo is a need, JFK will be a need in 2 years

Landeskog is like me going out and buying a motorcycle - I want it but I don't need it

Thank you!!

 

[Over the volcano]

we all complained about having no young defenseman but now some want to move Carlo who playing top Mins sure he struggle at times but he is 19 and is learning this is what the team needs. I hope mac and lazuon make the move too. But I keep what we have and think either one of Gabrielle JFK or Sensh can be just as good as the guy fro colorado

Nobody wants to move Carlo - it's always about the return "the guy fro Colorado" is more than just a "guy fro Colorado".

 

[22Brad Park]

Nobody wants to move Carlo - it's always about the return "the guy fro Colorado" is more than just a "guy fro Colorado".

Yea your right 5 plus million more Sorry had too

 

[Fonzerelli]

Go watch Dougie Hamilton up close .From the time Bruins traded him till now its not even close to the same player he was in Bruins uniform..He is a monster with the muscle he put on.Bruins best be careful here Fonz.Judging a 20 yr old so harsh is a mistake.Best example I could think of.Why are we so hard on our young kids here????

Yeah I'm with you. That's my point. I'm wondering why we are willing to judge a a very young Landeskog so harshly while letting our own very young player off the hook? That's my point. I believe they will both continue on their natural upwards trajectories. I believe that means 30/60 top 6 game changer for Landeskog and solid, reliable stay at home 2nd pair defenseman for Carlo.

 

[Number8]

Nobody wants to move Carlo - it's always about the return "the guy fro Colorado" is more than just a "guy fro Colorado".

My honest question for those willing to move Carlo for Lando.

If Carlo goes is Bruins defense, as it would then be constituted, be good enough to have success in playoffs?

If not, and keeping in mind the cap addition Lando would represent, what can realistically be done about that?

 

[Bruinfanatic]

Nobody wants to move Carlo - it's always about the return "the guy fro Colorado" is more than just a "guy fro Colorado".

If the guy is that great why does Colorado want to move him then,and when the Bruins biggest weakness is their defence not sure how The guy is going to help us.We can say we have prospects in the organization comming but there just that prospects,and most prospects don't even make the NHL.

 

[LouJersey]

If the guy is that great why does Colorado want to move him then,and when the Bruins biggest weakness is their defence not sure how The guy is going to help us.We can say we have prospects in the organization comming but there just that prospects,and most prospects don't even make the NHL.

They don't have a lot of good defensive prospects.

 

[Fonzerelli]

If you get your wish, what is your proposal for helping what obviously, at that point, is a weak 1-6? Not a smart ass question by the way. It's an honest, and I think fair, question.

STICKING WITH THE PLAN is my proposal, which is what I hear Sweeney echoing all the time.

THE PLAN is to have McAvoy as our #1 RD, and that has been the plan since we drafted him. That doesn't change.

THE PLAN also envisions a big roll for Jakub Zboril, who has done nothing to change that plan.

THE PLAN is also to aquire a top 4 D-man, which is something they have been saying ever since they moved Hamilton.

So if we are sticking to THE PLAN and building around Krug, McAvoy, Zboril and an aquired veteran, I'm not sure where Carlo fits in. He's been found money that could get us off the hook for aquiring that vet if we keep him, but he could also be flipped if the payoff is worth it and I think a 24 year old 30/60 upside power forward is a good place to spend found money.

Stick to THE PLAN!

 

[Bruinfanatic]

My honest question for those willing to move Carlo for Lando.

If Carlo goes is Bruins defense, as it would then be constituted, be good enough to have success in playoffs?

If not, and keeping in mind the cap addition Lando would represent, what can realistically be done about that?

I guess Liles takes his place,

 

[22Brad Park]

Yeah I'm with you. I'm just wondering why we are willing to judge a a very young Landeskog so harshly while letting our own very young player off the hook? That's my point. I believe they will both continue on their natural upwards trajectories. I believe that means 30/60 top 6 game changer for Landeskog and solid, reliable stay at home 2nd pair defenseman for Carlo.

I would say your right .The issue that really bothers me though more then just liking Carlo is they will want more then just Carlo,To much for my blood.Straight up I could get past it I imagine.

 

[BsEuphoria]

JFK is my guy

JFK-Pastrnak 2020

I'm all aboard that train baby

 

[Number8]

STICKING WITH THE PLAN is my proposal, which is what I hear Sweeney echoing all the time.

THE PLAN is to have McAvoy as our #1 RD, and that has been the plan since we drafted him. That doesn't change.

THE PLAN also envisions a big roll for Jakub Zboril, who has done nothing to change that plan.

THE PLAN is also to aquire a top 4 D-man, which is something they have been saying ever since they moved Hamilton.

So if we are sticking to THE PLAN and building around Krug, McAvoy, Zboril and an aquired veteran, I'm not sure where Carlo fits in. He's been found money that could get us off the hook for aquiring that vet if we keep him, but he could also be flipped if the payoff is worth it and I think a 24 year old 30/60 upside power forward is a good place to spend found money.

Stick to THE PLAN!

I'm good with all of that, seriously.

I have questions about how we do the bolded though.

I think cap issues will make that difficult. I also think pressures from on high (plan or no plan) will put intense pressure on Zboril (Kirk's review causes some concerns here) and McAvoy as they develop -- all the while our only true top pair Dman is getting long in the tooth.

And by the way, capitalizing THE PLAN several times suggests that my question irked you. Not my intention. That said, if it did, not sure why a fair question regarding the relative weakness of our D should get anyone agitated.

I'll tell you this -- if Sweeney isn't paying extraordinarily close attention to our D he is not doing his job. Thankfully, I suspect he is.

 

[riverhawkey91]

Yeah I'm with you. That's my point. I'm wondering why we are willing to judge a a very young Landeskog so harshly while letting our own very young player off the hook? That's my point. I believe they will both continue on their natural upwards trajectories. I believe that means 30/60 top 6 game changer for Landeskog and solid, reliable stay at home 2nd pair defenseman for Carlo.

This is where you lose me. Landeskog has never been on the trajectory for 30/60 (I'm not exactly sure what you mean, 30G/60A or 30G/60P, but he's never even approached 30G either way), whereas Carlo has already played as a first pair RHD. Carlo definitely came back down to earth since doing that, but why does his value on his "natural upward trajectory" become a reliable stay at home 2nd pair D when he's shown he's capable of playing as a #1 RHD? Couldn't you make the exact same argument you're making with Carlo for Landeskog, where his first season = Carlo's first half and the rest of his career has been him coming back down to Earth like Carlo has?

I'm with you that Landeskog is better than he's playing and Carlo is not going to become an elite #1 RHD or anything, but it doesn't seem like you're doing justice to either of them here.

 

[Fonzerelli]

Landeskog is like me going out and buying a motorcycle - I want it but I don't need it

Come on Dan, you know that you do

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[22Brad Park]

I'm good with all of that, seriously.

I have questions about how we do the bolded though.

I think cap issues will make that difficult. I also think pressures from on high (plan or no plan) will put intense pressure on Zboril (Kirk's review causes some concerns here) and McAvoy as they develop -- all the while our only true top pair Dman is getting long in the tooth.

And by the way, capitalizing THE PLAN several times suggests that my question irked you. Not my intention. That said, if it did, not sure why a fair question regarding the relative weakness of our D should get anyone agitated.

I'll tell you this -- if Sweeney isn't paying extraordinarily close attention to our D he is not doing his job. Thankfully, I suspect he is.

We will find out very soon what Sweeney is doing.,He scares me to death.

 

[Jdavidev]

If the guy is that great why does Colorado want to move him then,and when the Bruins biggest weakness is their defence not sure how The guy is going to help us.We can say we have prospects in the organization comming but there just that prospects,and most prospects don't even make the NHL.

To me, this is totally an offseason move. Too many variables with new coach, playoff push, prospects not yet in NHL, and cap.