Proposal: All Bruins trade rumors/proposals: 16/17 Part VII

[Fonzerelli]

Lindgren shoots left.

If you assume Casto doesn't get a qualifying offer, and LV selects one of Kevan or McQuaid, your looking at the RD depth in the entire organization being

1) Carlo
2) Colin Miller
3) Kevan/McQuaid
4) McAvoy
5) Clarke, a NCAA freshman.

That's it.

So;

1.) McAvoy
2.) Chiller
3.) McQuaid
4.) Killer

That's crowded enough for now. Grab another one in the draft this year.

If we can do it without Carlo I'm all for it, but he's an easy piece to build a package around as well and if that's what it takes then I'm all for it

 

[DitClapper]

I wasn't on train with trading Carlo earlier, but I am now. Colin Miller's development has made it this way. There is a chance Carlo becomes a McQuaid/Kevan type. There is also a chance he becomes a Boychuk type.

But how are we going to fit all of these guys on the right side? Rumor has it McAvoy is going to be a Bruin at the end of his BU season. We need scoring. Sweeney said "this core deserves to win now". I'm convinced it will happen.

Marchand/Bergeron/Backes
Landeskog/Krejci/Pastrnak
Cehlarik/Spooner/Iginla
Vatrano/Moore/Nash

Chara/Colin
Krug/McQuaid
Kevan/Charlie

2017 First, Beleskey, Hayes, Carlo for Landeskog, Iginla.

 

[DominicT]

Can we ask you this Dom, IF YOU WERE THE BRUINS GM TODAY, would you do Landeskog for Carlo + 1st rnd pick + non 1st rnd prospect?

Would I?

With absolutely no hesitation.

But i don't look at players like most fans do

 

[BlackFrancis]

So;

1.) McAvoy
2.) Chiller
3.) McQuaid
4.) Killer

That's crowded enough for now. Grab another one in the draft this year.

If we can do it without Carlo I'm all for it, but he's an easy piece to build a package around as well and if that's what it takes then I'm all for it

McQuaid and Miller - two guys covering one position. Each expected to miss 20 games per season. $4.5M for the pair.

Not an optimal use of resources. And that might be the worst right side in the NHL next season, unless Charlie is a revelation.

 

[Fonzerelli]

Would I?

With absolutely no hesitation.

But i don't look at players like most fans do

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_fosKbCpfM

(couldn't help myself. used it twice yesterday so i know i'm getting fined. but damn i like that clip)

 

[Taz#24]

A couple of counter points.

The Bruins are rumored to be trading a large, mobile, already top four D-man at the age of 19 with "top two" written all over him plus other assets for Gabriel Landeskog. Do you believe that deal will set the Bruins back years?

The Bruins want to make a trade that makes sense for them now and for the future. Bruins' management wants to make the playoffs. All I'm offering are alternative trade ideas if Carlo is available. If the Bruins trade Carlo++ for Landeskog, your beef will be with Bruins' management, not me.

Bennett's ELC ends this season and will be a RFA. I'm offering alternative trade ideas if the Bruins want to target a LW with Carlo going the other way. Bennett is only 20 and is projected to be a top 6 F/C. Sure his numbers aren't there, but he still has talent.

The Bruins could re-sign Shattenkirk if they want in this case as well.

Most importantly, Salary Cap! The Bruins have to re-up PASTRNAK and that won't be cheap. Secondly, if the Bruins did deal for SHATTENKIRK, weather they re-sign him is basically up to SHATTENKIRK. He can ride out the season and go where he wants, probably to the highest bidder and again we have paid deatly for a VERY short term rental. Even he was open to re-signing in Boston, factor in his pending salary demands (most certainly 7+) and trying to re-up PASTRNAK and others, it's way too chancy. Sorry but the proposal makes NO sense to the Bruins whatsoever.

We have three very good to potentially great (MCAVOY) right shooting D in the system, keep them all unless it's obvious overpayment by anyone interested.

 

[BruinDust]

So;

1.) McAvoy
2.) Chiller
3.) McQuaid
4.) Killer

That's crowded enough for now. Grab another one in the draft this year.

If we can do it without Carlo I'm all for it, but he's an easy piece to build a package around as well and if that's what it takes then I'm all for it

And if LV takes one of McQuaid or Kevan, and Carlo goes for Landeskog, it becomes.

Colin
McQuaid/Kevan
McAvoy

And this is assuming McAvoy is just going to step right into the NHL, which to me is a bad assumption, and I love him as a prospect, but shouldn't the Bruins at least, I don't know, maybe see McAvoy play a professional game before they consider trading Brandon Carlo, who they know can play in the NHL.

If McAvoy isn't ready, it becomes.

Colin
McQuaid/Kevan
?????

That's pretty scary, pretty risky. Bruins will have the best group of LWs in the league, and still not be a playoff team with that right-side D.

 

[robinsonp16]

So like a lot of people I've followed a lot of the chatter circling Landeskog and Carlo the past few days. I've been heavily in favor of the trade but that's not the point of this post. I guess what has amazed me more then anything as i've listened to people talk, is just how comfortable everyone seems to be with the current roster. The over whelming opinion seems to be that the pieces are in place and the Bruins just need to wait for the youngsters to develop.

At the beginning of the year there was significant concern was this defense was in trouble. Now all of a sudden where Carlo and Mcavoy from being a playoff contender again.

Scoring and a top 6 forward has been on a lot of lists for a while but all of a sudden Frank Vatrano and Peter Cehlarik are top 6 guys who everyone loves going forward.

A week ago this team was circling the drain. I have no idea if this three game winning streak has lulled people into this sense of false comfort but I'm kinda baffled. Do you guys really believe that Butch Cassidy has suddenly found this hidden talent that Julien just couldn't tap into???

Since when did everyone jump on board with the idea that the B's are just a few mid-level prospects away from returning to the promise land? How did Vatrano become the answer to all the B's woes?

To everyone for trading but against Carlo and McAvoy. Do you honestly think that every trade going forward from here wont include one of these guys as a center piece from another teams prospective? Seriously, if I see one more fan trade proposal where we move Zboril and Hayes for a top 6 forward I'm gonna blow my head off.

Great so nix the Landeskog trade because it looks like that's whats going to happen.

Are you serious Boston? You really believe you're Carlo, McAvoy and Vatrano away from a cup??? Get real. Or has everyone just set their sights on being a 6 seed for the next ten years and hoping for the best.

Trades will NEED to happen either way and whether you like it or not they all start with Carlo and McAvoy. Waiting for your prospects to save the day is just prolonging the death of this team.

 

[duffy]

I would agree with that. But we aren't talking about "pushing him aside". It's not like we are talking about sending him to rot in the minors. We are talking about cashing him in for a player who we can predict. Who fills a need now and in the future. Who has already played 4 years of impressive NHL hockey. Who comes with great term at a good price. Not to mention, we have Carlo replacements in the system.

Your point makes a lot of sense which is usually frowned upon on this site! I agree 100% with you that the shiney new toy is good and could be very good but isn't all that and may never be. My problem with the trade is the extras we are adding in with Carlo. If it was a Landy for Carlo and second I would be more comfortable with it but to give up a 20 yr old, #1 pick , and a top prospect is too much . It's too much for Landeskog and way too much for Duschene! We have enough small players now with Marsh, Czarnik, Spooner, Krug, Krejchi, Vatrano, and oh yeah the smallest of all Hayes! Adding Duschene would not help us when playing against big teams like NYR, Wash, and teams that play big and fast like Car, NYI, Pitt. Landeskog would be a better fit but at what cost?
Let me say this though , Landeskog is one of my favorite non bruins but we have to weigh the pros and cons.

 

[DominicT]

Question

why are some of you so fixed on the Lando at LW?

He can play all three forward positions.

What's to say he can't be the second line center in two years?

Don't just think about today, think about today and longer term

 

[Fonzerelli]

Cap is definitely a concern.

We want to spend to cap anyways. Looks pretty comfortable to me ...


- Giving Pastrnak 5.5 mil
- trading Hayes for a 7th round pick
- assuming Vegas takes Killer
- trading Spooner & Czarnik


Marchand - Bergeron - Backes = $19M
Chelarik - Krejci - Pastrnak = $13.5M
Landeskog - JFK - Vatrano = $7.2M
Beleskey - Nash - Blidh = $5.6M
Schaller? (600K)

Chara - McAvoy = $4.9M
Krug - McQuaid = $8M
O'Gara - C. Miller = $1.9M
Gryz? (858K)

Seidenberg = $2.17M

Rask + Khudobin = $8.2M

Grand total = 72 M ... Move Doby to Providence and we have even more room

 

[Fonzerelli]

why are some of you so fixed on the Lando at LW?

He can play all three forward positions.

What's to say he can't be the second line center in two years?

Don't just think about today, think about today and longer term

Great point Dom. Some of these anti-Lambo posts are even putting in guys Frederic in the LW pool. Lots of our LW play the right side (Vatrano, gabrielle, Bjork, DeBrusk, Heinen, Cehlarik). And on D, it's not uncommon for guys to play off-hand either. A lot of these guys have flexibility in their roles which gives Mr. Sweeney that much more flexibility in his moves. Get er done Don! We believe in you!

 

[BruinDust]

why are some of you so fixed on the Lando at LW?

He can play all three forward positions.

What's to say he can't be the second line center in two years?

Don't just think about today, think about today and longer term

For me, I really don't like guys playing their off-wing. I think the game is trending away from it. There will always be a few guys who do (Oveckkin for example), but by and large, I think it will be preferential to not ask guys to play their off-wing.

I think with the speed of the game, the way D-men pinch, that extra half-second wingers need on break-out plays on their off-wing causes problems. When Frank Vatrano played RW with 63-37, he struggled with break-outs along the wall. And he's just one example. Reilly Smith when he was here struggled with it as well.

Landeskog as a center? I don't know. Never really thought about it, didn't consider it as an option.

But my dislike of moving Carlo for Landeskog has as much to do with long-term as it does short-term, maybe moreso.

 

[v1821]

why are some of you so fixed on the Lando at LW?

He can play all three forward positions.

What's to say he can't be the second line center in two years?

Don't just think about today, think about today and longer term

Dom- based on what you know, is it possible to get the deal done without Carlo going the other way? Granted it is from one of the rumor mongers out there but one package mentioned was Zboril and Beleskey as the key players in the package.

V

 

[22Brad Park]

Boston better act soon if they are going to cause you can bet Montreal is coming looking now for sure to Sakic.

 

[BruinDust]

Great point Dom. Some of these anti-Lambo posts are even putting in guys Frederic in the LW pool. Lots of our LW play the right side (Vatrano, gabrielle, Bjork, DeBrusk, Heinen, Cehlarik). And on D, it's not uncommon for guys to play off-hand either. A lot of these guys have flexibility in their roles which gives Mr. Sweeney that much more flexibility in his moves. Get er done Don! We believe in you!

Is there any guarantee he can play Center at the NHL level? How many guys played center at the amateur level just to end up as pro wingers? Tons.


He could easily end up a power LWer as he ends up a center at the pro level.

Same with playing the off-wing. Doing in the CHL/NCAA/AHL doesn't mean squat in terms of doing it at the speed of the NHL level.

Way to much assumption in the amount of flexibility these guys have in shifting positions.

 

[DominicT]

For me, I really don't like guys playing their off-wing. I think the game is trending away from it. There will always be a few guys who do (Oveckkin for example), but by and large, I think it will be preferential to not ask guys to play their off-wing.

I think with the speed of the game, the way D-men pinch, that extra half-second wingers need on break-out plays on their off-wing causes problems. When Frank Vatrano played RW with 63-37, he struggled with break-outs along the wall. And he's just one example. Reilly Smith when he was here struggled with it as well.

Landeskog as a center? I don't know. Never really thought about it, didn't consider it as an option.

But my dislike of moving Carlo for Landeskog has as much to do with long-term as it does short-term, maybe moreso.

1) That's your opinion and you have a right to that. I just don't agree with it.

2) Your comparing Lando to Vatrano and Smith now? Really?

3) I don't know, just my opinion, and like you I am entitled to it. I think the reason you wouldn't make the trade is you not high on Landeskog. I mean, that's what I see in your posts. And that's fine if that's your opinion. Let's call a spade a spade.

I will only say this to both Bruins fans and Avs fans and then I'm done:

If you think Avs fans are crazy for thinking McAvoy has to be included in a Landeskog deal (and I admit I agree with that), then Bruins fans are just as crazy to think Carlo can in no way be included in a Landeskog deal.

 

[Alan Ryan]

No not trading McAvoy. Our 19 year old d-man with "top 2" written all over him is not in question.

The rumour is that our soon-to-be 21 year old 2nd pair projected defenseman who's sole body of work to date includes one partial inconsistant, up and down season. That's who we are talking about. Carlo. Not McAvoy

Colorado fans are generally talking about the opposite on their HF site. Carlo is not enough for Landeskog and McAvoy is the starting point.

 

[Fonzerelli]

Colorado fans are generally talking about the opposite on their HF site. Carlo is not enough for Landeskog and McAvoy is the starting point.

Yes, just like we are offering Zboril here.

They won't get McAvoy

They won't accept Zboril

Like most negotiations, it'll be right in the middle. Carlo. Which is who they wanted all along anyways.

 

[22Brad Park]

Yes, just like we are offering Zboril here.

They won't get McAvoy

They won't accept Zboril

Like most negotiations, it'll be right in the middle. Carlo. Which is who they wanted all along anyways.

I agree 100% no McAvoy on table.But here is where I am going to give in and change my take after watching habs get Claude..Boston should give up Carlo plus .and get Landeskog. Montreal then will be nearly forced to go all in on Dechene and trust me the price will hurt them dearly moving into the future .I know you never do deals thinking that way.It's about your own team.But I have a feeling if Bruins do not act soon habs might be the ones grabbing Landy if they deem price to high on Dechene. POOP OR GET OFF THE POT

 

[DKH]

So;

1.) McAvoy
2.) Chiller
3.) McQuaid
4.) Killer

That's crowded enough for now. Grab another one in the draft this year.

If we can do it without Carlo I'm all for it, but he's an easy piece to build a package around as well and if that's what it takes then I'm all for it

I'm with you here- no McAvoy on the way I don't do it. Chiller is showing the obvious skills speed and shot that won him those two honors at the AHL all-star game.

Chillers decision making is improved and I'm going to give Claude some kudos for this. Whether it was instruction or fear of benching or likely both he's improved and impressed

Although if your right side is

McAvoy 19
Carlo 20
Chiller 24

That's pretty enticing

 

[Sheppy]

I'm still not super sold on Carlo.

 

[robinsonp16]

Landeskog still in the lineup tonight so obviously nothing imminent.

 

[22Brad Park]

Landeskog still in the lineup tonight so obviously nothing imminent.

Watch Bruins do nothing and its an entire week of hype for nothing.lol

 

[BlackFrancis]

If the Bruins resolve their "sniper" problem on the left wing with Landeskog, would it be time to hunker down and solve the backup goalie problem?

Surely there must be a goalie out there. Someone having the worst season of their career, maybe. And not living up to their contract, in terms of production. The B's would have plenty of prospects and draft picks to splash over any potential trading partner, as long as the prospects involved aren't slated for the Hall of Fame.

By this criteria, Khudobin would probably be ideal, but they've already got him and he sucks. But that may be a nice sell low opportunity, which Sakic has shown is actually a sell high opportunity if you make pretend the bad season isn't actually happening.