Proposal: All Bruins trade rumors/proposals: 16/17 Part VII

[22Brad Park]

If the Bruins resolve their "sniper" problem on the left wing with Landeskog, would it be time to hunker down and solve the backup goalie problem?

Surely there must be a goalie out there. Someone having the worst season of their career, maybe. And not living up to their contract, in terms of production. The B's would have plenty of prospects and draft picks to splash over any potential trading partner, as long as the prospects involved aren't slated for the Hall of Fame.

By this criteria, Khudobin would probably be ideal, but they've already got him and he sucks. But that may be a nice sell low opportunity, which Sakic has shown is actually a sell high opportunity if you make pretend the bad season isn't actually happening.

Dobby was good last game. I say let him have another crack for sake of how many games left and paying him.He might have a better vibe under Cassidy now .

 

[DKH]

Colorado fans are generally talking about the opposite on their HF site. Carlo is not enough for Landeskog and McAvoy is the starting point.

I am a Landeskog fan but Boston is in a super spot

They have a first line LW in Marchand and soon to be first line RW in Pastrnak

Filling out the other 4 winger spots in your top 9 is a lot less daunting when you basically to use a baseball term have your 3 & 4 hitters

Landeskog would be nice but he's not a super need

McAvoy is a need - he's exactly exactly exactly what they need if they drew him up in R&D

I would have to go back to 1979-83 where the Bruins had this much depth

They clearly can't play everyone and Sakic sees this and why he's here

But McAvoy would be a shocker and I don't see it at all makes no sense from Boston point of view

 

[Fonzerelli]

McAvoy is a need - he's exactly exactly exactly what they need if they drew him up in R&D

Agreed! I was already buying into him and the World Juniors sealed the deal for me. I also think he's imminent. Weather we move Carlo or not, he will be a Bruin this Spring and play a regular shift for us in the playoffs. The McAvoy era starts in a matter of weeks, not months.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

I don't follow AOF.

How am I not using real numbers? I'm taking all of the points they've scored in their careers and averaging it out over 82 games. Those aren't real numbers?

I said Landeskog was a 50ish point player. His career average is 54.8.
I said Duchene was a 60ish point player. His career average is 63.96.

I think Duchene is a better offensive player. It matters to me that he's put up 30 goals in one season, and 70 points in another season. Those are hard plateaus to reach and he hit them both. That doesn't mean I don't like Landeskog too, and I've repeatedly tried to praise him and would welcome him on this team.

Fwiw, I'm a big fan of your posts too. Just trying to weigh in with my opinion on who I'd prefer and why.

I do always read your posts... I'm frustrated because I dont want landeskog Here now, and I'm stuck defending him.

I definitely don't want Duchense here and feel he pads his totals on a bad team by playing selfish hockey... and at the end of the day his totals are underwhelming and almost identiclr to the other guy.

And I think Carlo is tremendously over valued.

I'm stuck arguing 3 arguments I don't want to argue but feel there's too much slanting of the debate to leave my nose out of it.

I wish I could start some fire for grabbing fault out of carolina. I think there is our golden goose

 

[Jdavidev]

I wasn't on train with trading Carlo earlier, but I am now. Colin Miller's development has made it this way. There is a chance Carlo becomes a McQuaid/Kevan type. There is also a chance he becomes a Boychuk type.

But how are we going to fit all of these guys on the right side? Rumor has it McAvoy is going to be a Bruin at the end of his BU season. We need scoring. Sweeney said "this core deserves to win now". I'm convinced it will happen.

Marchand/Bergeron/Backes
Landeskog/Krejci/Pastrnak
Cehlarik/Spooner/Iginla
Vatrano/Moore/Nash

Chara/Colin
Krug/McQuaid
Kevan/Charlie

2017 First, Beleskey, Hayes, Carlo for Landeskog, Iginla.

Well, yes, the core does deserve to win now, but I can't see how weakening the already subpar D this season for more help up front is going to do that.

I believe they need to have faith in their glut of winger prospects to provide that secondary scoring, otherwise, what are they going to do with all those prospects over the next couple of years? Because obviously they aren't going to bring back a top LHD to help this team on their own, and there will only be two spots over the next four years for them to fight for (and still with Beleskey on the roster). How are they going to sign Bjork if there is no spot for him to play? And those 2 spots doesn't factor in Vatrano.

 

[mikeq672]

Watch Bruins do nothing and its an entire week of hype for nothing.lol

Thats the most likely outcome

 

[SPLBRUIN]

Originally I was against including Carlo in a deal for Landeskog but with Colin Miller's emergence and the soon to be arrival of McAvoy, the right side of the D is set for years. I just hope that we don't go overboard in whatever else we give up. Hoping Sweeney can get this done.

 

[bp13]

As the guy who literally drove the bus for the Colin Miller bandwagon last year, I think we need to pump the brakes a little. Yes he's been improving all season, but let's not lock him into top 4 just yet. He's still prone to mistakes and not exactly a sturdy defender either. He's making progress, but I don't think he remotely makes a guy like Carlo "expendable".

 

[BruinDust]

1) That's your opinion and you have a right to that. I just don't agree with it.

2) Your comparing Lando to Vatrano and Smith now? Really?

3) I don't know, just my opinion, and like you I am entitled to it. I think the reason you wouldn't make the trade is you not high on Landeskog. I mean, that's what I see in your posts. And that's fine if that's your opinion. Let's call a spade a spade.

I will only say this to both Bruins fans and Avs fans and then I'm done:

If you think Avs fans are crazy for thinking McAvoy has to be included in a Landeskog deal (and I admit I agree with that), then Bruins fans are just as crazy to think Carlo can in no way be included in a Landeskog deal.

And that's fair Dom, the whole "avoid off-wing whenever you can" thing is just a personal preference thing. Until a player player proves he can play his off-wing effectively at the NHL level (and not any other level of hockey, I don't care if a guy did in the AHL even), I would prefer the Bruins be careful when assuming where forward prospects can play at the NHL level.

I wasn't comparing Vatrano and Smith to Landeskog, just using both as examples of two left-shot wingers who struggled making effective break-out plays along the right-side of the Bruins zone.

I like Landeskog, but I don't get caught up in his draft pedigree or even his Calder trophy.

If they can get him for a couple of those left-shot forward prospects, one of their nice left-shot D prospects, and a draft pick, then by all means. I won't cry if he ends up a Bruin. I think it might cause some cap concerns down the road sooner than some think.

But he's not a game-breaking talent IMO. Certainly not one I would trade a 20-year old D-man who broke into the league with no AHL time and has played on the top pair of a team in playoff contention.

At the end of the day, I value quality D-men like Carlo far, far, more than I value quality wingers Landeskog.

Here is the other thing.

Does this deal have to happen now?

It's not like Landeskog is a free agent this summer.

Wouldn't it be better to find out:

1) What it takes to re-sign Spooner and decide what his future holds?

2) What can they do with that Belesky contract?

3) Can Charlie McAvoy play at the NHL level?

Before jumping all over a Landeskog deal? Certainly it he goes elsewhere, it's not the end of the world for Boston.

 

[BBB24]

Originally I was against including Carlo in a deal for Landeskog but with Colin Miller's emergence and the soon to be arrival of McAvoy, the right side of the D is set for years. I just hope that we don't go overboard in whatever else we give up. Hoping Sweeney can get this done.

I don't believe for a minute the Bruins will go overboard to get Landeskog, otherwise the deal would already be completed. Sweeney has his belief of what that player is worth and I don't believe it involves McAvoy or Carlo. If the Avs don't agree a deal won't get done.

 

[puck4877]

I thought it was interesting that Jeremy Smith was recalled by Colorado tonight for his first game.

 

[bbfan419]

I don't believe for a minute the Bruins will go overboard to get Landeskog, otherwise the deal would already be completed. Sweeney has his belief of what that player is worth and I don't believe it involves McAvoy or Carlo. If the Avs don't agree a deal won't get done.

Agree 100% I think if it is Landeskog, Sweeney is looking at something like one of Zboril or Grezlcyk + Heinen + Donato and maybe a smaller piece Subban? I don't think Sweeney will trade our top pick for Landeskog nor will he deal any of the top prospects, he will see if Sakic gets anxious near the TDL, if we don't get him for the right price then Sweeney will just move on from it.

 

[Goulet17]

Agree 100% I think if it is Landeskog, Sweeney is looking at something like one of Zboril or Grezlcyk + Heinen + Donato and maybe a smaller piece Subban? I don't think Sweeney will trade our top pick for Landeskog nor will he deal any of the top prospects, he will see if Sakic gets anxious near the TDL, if we don't get him for the right price then Sweeney will just move on from it.

You think Colorado would trade Landeskog for one of Zboril or Grezlcyk + Heinen + Donato and maybe a smaller piece Subban?

Wow.

 

[robinsonp16]

Carlo is not untouchable to me

That said I don't like adding much more to him for landeskog.

I think this is the snag on this deal.

Landeskog is a given Carlo is a given.

Sakic wants more Sweeny isn't giving way.

 

[Jdavidev]

You think Colorado would trade Landeskog for one of Zboril or Grezlcyk + Heinen + Donato and maybe a smaller piece Subban?

Wow.

Wait, that's not how trades of talented players works? Wow

 

[bbfan419]

You think Colorado would trade Landeskog for one of Zboril or Grezlcyk + Heinen + Donato and maybe a smaller piece Subban?

Wow.

Maybe bot, but just making a point that Sweeney will just wait out Sakic to get a favourable deal and if not they won't lose any sleep over it. Bruins are in a great position going forward with the depth of their prospects.

 

[SpeedyLazaro]

Maybe bot, but just making a point that Sweeney will just wait out Sakic to get a favourable deal and if not they won't lose any sleep over it. Bruins are in a great position going forward with the depth of their prospects.

"Waiting it out" is how you lose deals. And our prospects are teenagers. How about we surround this core with solid NHL contributors

 

[Absurdity]

Most importantly, Salary Cap! The Bruins have to re-up PASTRNAK and that won't be cheap. Secondly, if the Bruins did deal for SHATTENKIRK, weather they re-sign him is basically up to SHATTENKIRK. He can ride out the season and go where he wants, probably to the highest bidder and again we have paid deatly for a VERY short term rental. Even he was open to re-signing in Boston, factor in his pending salary demands (most certainly 7+) and trying to re-up PASTRNAK and others, it's way too chancy. Sorry but the proposal makes NO sense to the Bruins whatsoever.

We have three very good to potentially great (MCAVOY) right shooting D in the system, keep them all unless it's obvious overpayment by anyone interested.

That's a fair assessment.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

I thought it was interesting that Jeremy Smith was recalled by Colorado tonight for his first game.

He's been up for a while. He's their backup. It was originally Spencer Martin when varly got hurt but the Avs want him to play so they sent him down and called up Smith who's been backing up ever since.

 

[DKH]

As the guy who literally drove the bus for the Colin Miller bandwagon last year, I think we need to pump the brakes a little. Yes he's been improving all season, but let's not lock him into top 4 just yet. He's still prone to mistakes and not exactly a sturdy defender either. He's making progress, but I don't think he remotely makes a guy like Carlo "expendable".

McAvoy says helo

 

[BadBruins]

I think any deal with Carlo and Landeskog as the main peices you have to clear some money. Otherwise just keep the $850K top-4 D for the next two years and throw the money at free agency. Preferably smartly.

 

[robinsonp16]

I think any deal with Carlo and Landeskog as the main peices you have to clear some money. Otherwise just keep the $850K top-4 D for the next two years and throw the money at free agency. Preferably smartly.

Ya that worked out great with Belesky and Hayes

 

[Ararana]

Avs fan coming in peace.

More and more this is starting to sound like a Lando/Carlo trade with pieces yet to be determined. I really want value Carlo they way you guys do and I'm willing to take the time to understand that. Is there a game or two this year you can share with me where Carlo really stood out in a good way. I'd like to go back and watch them. Thanks

 

[ashnathan]

Ya that worked out great with Belesky and Hayes

I dont think 1 person on this forum wanted Beleskey signed here.

 

[DitClapper]

McAvoy says helo

Both of those guys make Carlo expendable. Cassidy wants an uptempo system, Carlo's strictly a stay at home guy. When you look at the whole picture, it just makes too much sense.