Proposal: All Bruins trade rumors/proposals: 16/17 Part VII

[Mr. Make-Believe]

I'm here. I read every post. Some I laugh at, some I cry at.

Status quo. It's close and Sakic has decisions to make. Ball is in his court (read scouting).

So really, no update so nothing more for me to add. I have names, but you sure as hell know I'm not going to post them.

and don't pm, I'm not giving them out

Who does? Can I PM them?

 

[Dr Hook]

Coach has stated this many times... Bruins have three major holes right now.

Top Six Winger
Top pair defenceman
Back up goaltender

Not being able to acquire that defenceman should not be used as an excuse to avoid trying to fill the other holes.

Agree 100%- the defenseman hole is the hardest to fill, the back-up tender ought to be the easiest and something we should be able to address this summer if not through a signing, then one of Zane or Subban winning the job. If we can't get that top pair defender, then why not get the winger for a top 4 defender of which we have 4 and look to the off-season or a prospect to step up.

 

[ODAAT]

I would agree with that. But we aren't talking about "pushing him aside". It's not like we are talking about sending him to rot in the minors. We are talking about cashing him in for a player who we can predict. Who fills a need now and in the future. Who has already played 4 years of impressive NHL hockey. Who comes with great term at a good price. Not to mention, we have Carlo replacements in the system.

I`ll stick to my gut, as much as I`m encouraged about the prospects DS has put together, I`m just not all in on moving this kid.

I worry about this, this team`s D prospects are heavy on the left side, Zboril/Lauzon/Lindgren.Grizz, O`Gara,

I could very well be missing R handed D-men but that worries me a ton, this team has terrific D depth, but only on the left side from my point of view

 

[Foppberg]

I'm here. I read every post. Some I laugh at, some I cry at.

Status quo. It's close and Sakic has decisions to make. Ball is in his court (read scouting).

So really, no update so nothing more for me to add. I have names, but you sure as hell know I'm not going to post them.

and don't pm, I'm not giving them out

Hey Dom, I'm sure you're bombarded with requests for news, but in your opinion do you think anything will happen before the TDL?

 

[ODAAT]

I'm here. I read every post. Some I laugh at, some I cry at.

Status quo. It's close and Sakic has decisions to make. Ball is in his court (read scouting).

So really, no update so nothing more for me to add. I have names, but you sure as hell know I'm not going to post them.

and don't pm, I'm not giving them out

thought I`d catch ya in a weak moment and you`d reveal all your inside scoops

 

[ODAAT]

Hey Dom, I'm sure you're bombarded with requests for news, but in your opinion do you think anything will happen before the TDL?

I`m in no way, shape or form anywhere as qualified as Dom but I`ll wager we see something before the week is out

 

[Mount Kramer Cameras]

I just don`t see Carlo becoming a bust. Already this season we`ve seen his peaks and valleys and what I`m really encouraged about is when he`s in one of those valley`s, he`s found a way to right his game and seemingly put his mistakes in the rear view mirror.

I listened to, I believe Scotty Bowman on a show down here, said for a D-man, about 3-4 seasons of pro hockey (AHL/NHL) is when you will most likely be able to predict the future of a player. Up to that point, can`t push aside a kid who hasn`t found "it" too soon

Absolutely. It's a mystery as to what he'll truly become. But when you put together the pieces, I know where I'm putting my money. I find it much easier to imagine Carlo getting faster, stronger, more aggressive, more poised than I do imagining him reaching a plateau out at 21 years old. I may be biased by I'm trying to be rational too.

One of the few facts we know right now is this kid came into the NHL at 19, played top-line minutes against the best of the best and looked good for the most part, until he hit the wall. 19 year-old defensemen that are just out of junior aren't supposed to do that. You keep these players!

 

[Absurdity]

No not trading McAvoy. Our 19 year old d-man with "top 2" written all over him is not in question.

The rumour is that our soon-to-be 21 year old 2nd pair projected defenseman who's sole body of work to date includes one partial inconsistant, up and down season. That's who we are talking about. Carlo. Not McAvoy

I should've put quotations around that sentence as I was quoting Taz. I do agree with you that Carlo looks to be more of a 2nd-pairing defenseman. Maybe a #2D, like Boychuk was with Chara, with the right partner.

 

[Mount Kramer Cameras]

I'm here. I read every post. Some I laugh at, some I cry at.

Status quo. It's close and Sakic has decisions to make. Ball is in his court (read scouting).

So really, no update so nothing more for me to add. I have names, but you sure as hell know I'm not going to post them.

and don't pm, I'm not giving them out

Good to hear from you chief. It's amazing what a single tweet can provoke

 

[ODAAT]

Absolutely. It's a mystery as to what he'll truly become. But when you put together the pieces, I know where I'm putting my money. I find it much easier to imagine Carlo getting faster, stronger, more aggressive, more poised than I do imagining him reach a plateau out at 21 years old. I may be biased by I'm trying to be rational too.

One of the few facts we know right now is this kid came into the NHL at 19, played top-line minutes against the best of the best and looked good for the most part, until he hit the wall. 19 year-old defensemen that are just out of junior aren't supposed to do that. You keep these players!

yep and as I mentioned, if this team had the insane depth in regards to prospects that were right handed, I "may" think about moving him for the right piece but I don`t see the depth on that side. I see McAvoy as the #1 righty D-man, followed up with Carlo as #2

 

[Fonzerelli]

I'm here. I read every post. Some I laugh at, some I cry at.

Status quo. It's close and Sakic has decisions to make. Ball is in his court (read scouting).

So really, no update so nothing more for me to add. I have names, but you sure as hell know I'm not going to post them.

and don't pm, I'm not giving them out

Can we ask you this Dom, IF YOU WERE THE BRUINS GM TODAY, would you do Landeskog for Carlo + 1st rnd pick + non 1st rnd prospect?

 

[ODAAT]

Can we ask you this Dom, IF YOU WERE THE BRUINS GM TODAY, would you do Landeskog for Carlo + 1st rnd pick + non 1st rnd prospect?

SAY NO DOM, SAY NO

 

[BruinDust]

Coach has stated this many times... Bruins have three major holes right now.

Top Six Winger
Top pair defenceman
Back up goaltender

Not being able to acquire that defenceman should not be used as an excuse to avoid trying to fill the other holes.

Totally disagree that their is a hole needing to be filled by a Top 6 winger.

Doesn't help that I don't buy this whole "Top 6" stuff anymore. I don't think you can build teams that way in a cap system.

Build 3 competent scoring lines. Spread out the offense. Vatrano is more than capable in the role of a scoring LW on one of the 3 scoring lines. He's a 25 goal winger to these eyes. Clearly Marchand is another.

Between Belesky/Spooner/Schaller/Cehlarik now, and fingers crossed, hopefully at least one of Heinen/Debrusk/Gabrielle/Frederic/Donato/Bjork/etc. etc., they should be more than fine at LW. It's the deepest position in this organization.

Now if they want to target some natural RWers, I'd be more on-board.

Too many think the answer to improving this team is building a Top 2 lines like it's still 2004 in a pre-cap system.

Let's assume they acquire Landeskog, extend Vatrano in 2018 (I'll be generous and give him 4 million per if he pots 25 next year), and can't shed Belesky.

Your looking at a LW position eating up nearly 20 million of cap space. That's insane in a cap system, in a league where your better off investing positions that are tougher to fill like Center and Defense.

How can they afford 20 million in LWers? Especially if they trade one of McAvoy or Carlo and don't have one of those two D-men on ELCs to offset the excessive spending on LWers?

 

[Fonzerelli]

I could very well be missing R handed D-men but that worries me a ton, this team has terrific D depth, but only on the left side from my point of view

McAvoy, Chiller are 2 pretty darn good prospects. Not to mention we will have at least one 3rd pair RD named either Killer or McQuaid for the foreseeable future.

 

[PlayMakers]

I think the fair way to phrase this was done earlier in the thread. Landeskog .67 points per game. Duchene .75 points per game. Duchene has blazing speed and great puck skill. But the difference is not that between an elite offensive producer and second-line winger.

If you acquired Duchene, you'd either have to play one of your centers on the third line, or put him on the wing... which he can play, just not as effectively as centre. And at any rate, you'd have to pay him more money in a couple of years, or watch him walk away.

And while Duchene is the better goal-scorer of the two, Landeskog is the more complete three-zone player and physical presence.

Am I unfair to either?

Duchene as a bit of a better player. Landeskog is a much better fit for the Bruins.

That's probably fair.

I would agree that Lando's contract is better and that he's probably a better fit right now.

Down the line? I see a lot of LH'd wingers in the Bruins system but I don't see any #1 centers, and those guys are HARD to acquire... so the fact that there's an opportunity to grab a 20something who's scored 30 goals and 70 points makes me wonder if he's the smarter play. Especially if Sakic won't budge off of Carlo or McAvoy.

I don't know. I gotta let the argument go because it's putting me on a side of the fence I don't want to be on. I like Landeskog. But if I have to keep defending why I like Duchene, it comes off (or people are interpreting it) as me NOT liking Landeskog which is not my intent or my honest feeling. For example, if I say, if we have to trade Carlo or McAvoy, guys I see as #2D's, then I'd rather deal a top2 D for a top2C as opposed to a top6 wing. Then people are going to say that's not fair to Landeskog, he's more than just a run of the mill top6 wing, which I agree with. But at the same time, he'd be our 3rd best winger behind Marchand and Pastrnak. So what's the right terminology to give him his props but also make the case that I think C's are worth more than W's unless those W's are truly elite talents like OV and Kane?

 

[Mount Kramer Cameras]

yep and as I mentioned, if this team had the insane depth in regards to prospects that were right handed, I "may" think about moving him for the right piece but I don`t see the depth on that side. I see McAvoy as the #1 righty D-man, followed up with Carlo as #2

Likewise. And if Colin continues to grow, he's the one that I trade. He's a likeable player but I'm not sold on him ever having the necessary presence or poise needed for the big moments. Carlo has the vibe.

We just need one of Lauzon/Zboril/Lindgren/the next draftee to be a hit and we are set for the long haul.

 

[Fonzerelli]

Totally disagree that their is a hole needing to be filled by a Top 6 winger.

Doesn't help that I don't buy this whole "Top 6" stuff anymore. I don't think you can build teams that way in a cap system.

Build 3 competent scoring lines. Spread out the offense. Vatrano is more than capable in the role of a scoring LW on one of the 3 scoring lines. He's a 25 goal winger to these eyes. Clearly Marchand is another.

Between Belesky/Spooner/Schaller/Cehlarik now, and fingers crossed, hopefully at least one of Heinen/Debrusk/Gabrielle/Frederic/Donato/Bjork/etc. etc., they should be more than fine at LW. It's the deepest position in this organization.

Now if they want to target some natural RWers, I'd be more on-board.

Too many think the answer to improving this team is building a Top 2 lines like it's still 2004 in a pre-cap system.

Let's assume they acquire Landeskog, extend Vatrano in 2018 (I'll be generous and give him 4 million per if he pots 25 next year), and can't shed Belesky.

Your looking at a LW position eating up nearly 20 million of cap space. That's insane in a cap system, in a league where your better off investing positions that are tougher to fill like Center and Defense.

How can they afford 20 million in LWers? Especially if they trade one of McAvoy or Carlo and don't have one of those two D-men on ELCs to offset the excessive spending on LWers?

Can always send Beleskey to providence where his cap hit becomes, what, 900K? Teams do that all the time to make room for youth. Look at Toronto this year ... or trade him

 

[BruinDust]

McAvoy, Chiller, Lindgren are 3 pretty darn good prospects. Not to mention we will have at least one 3rd pair RD named either Killer or McQuaid for the foreseeable future.

Lindgren shoots left.

If you assume Casto doesn't get a qualifying offer, and LV selects one of Kevan or McQuaid, your looking at the RD depth in the entire organization being

1) Carlo
2) Colin Miller
3) Kevan/McQuaid
4) McAvoy
5) Clarke, a NCAA freshman.

That's it.

 

[BruinsPortugal]

No not trading McAvoy. Our 19 year old d-man with "top 2" written all over him is not in question.

The rumour is that our soon-to-be 21 year old 2nd pair projected defenseman who's sole body of work to date includes one partial inconsistant, up and down season. That's who we are talking about. Carlo. Not McAvoy

Ahah this has to be one of the most
disingenuous things I've read today.

 

[BruinDust]

Can always send Beleskey to providence where his cap hit becomes, what, 900K? Teams do that all the time to make room for youth. Look at Toronto this year ... or trade him

You send Belesky to Providence his cap hit is still about 3 million. You save approx. 900k off the cap.

 

[Fonzerelli]

Status quo. It's close and Sakic has decisions to make. Ball is in his court (read scouting).

Brett Clark is in Prince George again today for the Cougar game. Maybe just coincidence but Colorado was just up there a few weeks back and not many teams go up there with any regularity. They usually scout the Cougars on the road.

 

[Silva]

Dom, would the majority of our board be happy about the proposed deal, angry, or neutral?

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

Can always send Beleskey to providence where his cap hit becomes, what, 900K? Teams do that all the time to make room for youth. Look at Toronto this year ... or trade him

Thought his cap hit would be more like $3M.

Cap is definitely a concern.

 

[DominicT]

Good to hear from you chief. It's amazing what a single tweet can provoke

Honestly, I never expected that tweet to go as crazy as it did. I'm shocked that I picked up all these followers from other teams and just a handful of bruins fans

The best reply came from a Leafs fan who said "I'll believe it when McKenzie, Dreger or Friedman say it". Then 12 hours later TSN, Sportsnet are talking about Landeskog to Boston.

Most replies believe Julien is the ex-coach. I will only say it's not. But it was a former coach who has given me info before and has been dead on, even when it didn't involve his own team

 

[Foppberg]

I`m in no way, shape or form anywhere as qualified as Dom but I`ll wager we see something before the week is out

If something's going to happen, I hope you're right. Though if Landeskog ends up going to you guys, I'm going to be pretty devastated. Hopefully it's Duchene instead, but I doubt it.