Proposal: All Bruins trade rumors/proposals: 16/17 Part VII

[Ratty]

Except for the fact that the deadline is approaching, and some teams are getting desperate, what is the urgency for Sakic to make a trade now? If he waits until the post season, he's got 30 teams he can negotiate with.

 

[Mione134]

Greg is a tool. But he's judging from past trades and feels the same uneasy feeling we all do.

 

[ODAAT]

Except for the fact that the deadline is approaching, and some teams are getting desperate, what is the urgency for Sakic to make a trade now? If he waits until the post season, he's got 30 teams he can negotiate with.

perhaps, not with the price tag he seems to have set for the players available though IMO

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

I debated here with some people calling landeskog a 20ish goal 50pointish player... I keep seeing everyone say how much better duchense is at scoring

in 8 seasons now duchense has 171 goals and 409 points. my math skills tell me that's a bit under 20 goals and a around 51 points per aveage season

yes yes I know hes been injury prone and missed a lot of games.... which ironically is what these people complain about landeskog. and yes yes I know hes having a bad season this year that throws the average down... which ironically is what these people complain about landeskog

food for thought? or completely irrelevant?

I guess they will tell me that you cant go by the numbers... you have to look at the circumstances. you have to use your eyes to watch the player? he did have 1 single season of 30 goals so you should call him a 30 goals scorer. he did have 2 seasons with more than 60 points so he should be called a 60 point scorer {even if he hasn't hit that total in the past 3 years 'lately'}

but.. but... he skates fast... in his last 7 seasons hes a -46... landeskog is +14 in that same time on the same team... but of course plus/minus is irrelevant

in the past 6 seasons landeskog has 111 goals and 268 points
duscene has 120 goals and 287 points

duchene averages 2 goals and 3 points more than landeskog per year while completely sucking defensively

people can like fast skaters all they want... but the numbers speak for themselves.

as does the eye test

as does the contract status

I'm ok with people saying we shouldn't trade for either guy... but it bugs the hell out of me when someone tries to slam landeskog trying to use statistics to do it and in the same breath wants to support duchense.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

maybe a stupid question but why does Colorado want to trade their cap friendly young captain? is there some sort of character issue we aren't talking about or don't know? screams red flags although I must admit he plays the way I like the game played...any insights?

they drove ryan oreilly out of town... sometimes we shouldn't ask why cause the answer might not make sense

personally I'm still wondering why the islanders traded louongo so they cold draft dipietro... and traded away chara and the rights to draft spezza so they could get yashin {oh wait, I remember now I know the answer to that one}

 

[Absurdity]

What do you guys think of these moves?


Brandon Carlo


Sam Bennett


Spooner
Bruins 2017 1st


Shattenkirk

Shattenkirk will be a rental to replace Carlo just for this season. McAvoy will replace Carlo/Shattenkirk next season.

 

[ODAAT]

Where`s Dom?

I demand his presence immediately, providing us with all his sources and rumors while he`s at it

 

[robinsonp16]

Honestly all this hype is giving me a headache... I saw "Avs and Bruins are close on a trade post" and have been on the edge of my seat since then. Do you know how annoying this will be If nothing happens and we just keep talking ****** hypothetical for the next two weeks.

 

[Flannelman]

Were you around last year? We did it. We put ourselves on edge. Simultaneously we are all hopeful but ready with our red pen...

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

What do you guys think of these moves?


Brandon Carlo


Sam Bennett


Spooner
Bruins 2017 1st


Shattenkirk

Shattenkirk will be a rental to replace Carlo just for this season. McAvoy will replace Carlo/Shattenkirk next season.

I doubt st louis likes that... the value on the other one might be fair imho, but I don't see the need to flip a dman for a forward that hasn't established himself as a top 6 guy yet

 

[Dr Hook]

Were you around last year? We did it. We put ourselves on edge. Simultaneously we are all hopeful but ready with our red pen...

All for Stempniak and Liles

 

[BlackFrancis]

I debated here with some people calling landeskog a 20ish goal 50pointish player... I keep seeing everyone say how much better duchense is at scoring

in 8 seasons now duchense has 171 goals and 409 points. my math skills tell me that's a bit under 20 goals and a around 51 points per aveage season

yes yes I know hes been injury prone and missed a lot of games.... which ironically is what these people complain about landeskog. and yes yes I know hes having a bad season this year that throws the average down... which ironically is what these people complain about landeskog

food for thought? or completely irrelevant?

I guess they will tell me that you cant go by the numbers... you have to look at the circumstances. you have to use your eyes to watch the player? he did have 1 single season of 30 goals so you should call him a 30 goals scorer. he did have 2 seasons with more than 60 points so he should be called a 60 point scorer {even if he hasn't hit that total in the past 3 years 'lately'}

but.. but... he skates fast... in his last 7 seasons hes a -46... landeskog is +14 in that same time on the same team... but of course plus/minus is irrelevant

in the past 6 seasons landeskog has 111 goals and 268 points
duscene has 120 goals and 287 points

duchene averages 2 goals and 3 points more than landeskog per year while completely sucking defensively

people can like fast skaters all they want... but the numbers speak for themselves.

as does the eye test

as does the contract status

I'm ok with people saying we shouldn't trade for either guy... but it bugs the hell out of me when someone tries to slam landeskog trying to use statistics to do it and in the same breath wants to support duchense.

The problem is trying to imply that something as simple as averages tell you more than one thing about a player's career, or anything at all useful about a player right now.

We have the perfect example here with Bergeron and Marchand. The average production actually do tell us how good Bergeron is despite the concussion related production dip and this season's injury plagued dip. For a 30 year old player like him, his average is about what you'd expect him to produce as long as he isn't suffering from a significant injury. His average production declining without an apparent injury would also lead one to believe he has exited his prime and is on the down slope of his career.

With Marchand, the data points are fewer. He got a late start, compared to Bergeron. The numbers illustrate a pretty good second line wing which completely misses on describing the holy terror of a first liner he is right now. Brad Marchand is about three or so years from his averages telling us anything really useful, and he will probably already be into his decline phase when they do.

As far as Landeskog goes, he's like Marchand - there just aren't enough data points for averages to be useful. They can point to this season being an aberration, but the strength of certainty for that shouldn't be high, as we don't know why he has been so unproductive.

 

[Mpasta]

Were you around last year? We did it. We put ourselves on edge. Simultaneously we are all hopeful but ready with our red pen...

It's happened every year that we've been on these boards except maybe a couple. It's nobodies fault but I hope we can make a trade before the deadline and we actually win the trade.

 

[ON3M4N]

Honestly all this hype is giving me a headache... I saw "Avs and Bruins are close on a trade post" and have been on the edge of my seat since then. Do you know how annoying this will be If nothing happens and we just keep talking ****** hypothetical for the next two weeks.

That's why I tried to switch it up and talk about other trade targets...too many people want to keep hammering this Landeskog thing.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Honestly all this hype is giving me a headache... I saw "Avs and Bruins are close on a trade post" and have been on the edge of my seat since then. Do you know how annoying this will be If nothing happens and we just keep talking ****** hypothetical for the next two weeks.

there will be a couple trades like every year.. they wont be the ones that get rumored

I say this every year... luckily I haven't had to eat my words yet. but maybe this year I will?

in the meantime remember real gm's aren't allowed to talk about players on other teams... nor are any officials from a team. if they do so and get caught the nhl will take away draft picks as punishment for tampering.

so the rumors you see... are coming from secondary sources that have no authority to make a deal. its very rare that a team will suddenly say its trading two players like landeskog and duchesne. its always a very bad decision from the team. its a clear indication of a trash fire raging out of control.

there has been times in the past a gm will fax a list of players to other teams... who is available... and rarely does this result in much trade action... its an indication that gm has no freaking clue what hes doing

has anyone seen sakic in front of a mic saying what his asking price is?

these rumor mongers in the press... make their money by having 'inside information' if they cant come up with some... they will lose their job... not get paid.

if anyone has been around as long as me... paid attention... they will see 100s of times these rumors get circulated... and nothing... nada... zip... ziltch...

that's the nature of rumors... the reality of rumors...

so take your rumors for what they are... fun... I have fun with them.. its fun... but lets not get our panties in a bunch here cause sweeny never leaks his trades. as we go back and look at past trades, none of them are being discussed here in the forum. and before that, chiarelli didn't leak them either

ive been around along time... and cant ever remember any trade rumor being discussed for days that actually came true

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

The problem is trying to imply that something as simple as averages tell you more than one thing about a player's career, or anything at all useful about a player right now.

We have the perfect example here with Bergeron and Marchand. The average production actually do tell us how good Bergeron is despite the concussion related production dip and this season's injury plagued dip. For a 30 year old player like him, his average is about what you'd expect him to produce as long as he isn't suffering from a significant injury. His average production declining without an apparent injury would also lead one to believe he has exited his prime and is on the down slope of his career.

With Marchand, the data points are fewer. He got a late start, compared to Bergeron. The numbers illustrate a pretty good second line wing which completely misses on describing the holy terror of a first liner he is right now. Brad Marchand is about three or so years from his averages telling us anything really useful, and he will probably already be into his decline phase when they do.

As far as Landeskog goes, he's like Marchand - there just aren't enough data points for averages to be useful. They can point to this season being an aberration, but the strength of certainty for that shouldn't be high, as we don't know why he has been so unproductive.

your right... trying to use numbers to make an argument is pretty stupid... unless you spend time analyzing the numbers and making sure you understand them

ive said that power forwards often enjoy more success after age 25 and tossed out a dozen or so examples to prove my point... but people want to say landeskog is trending down.

in the past ive shown how guys who rely on speed and play a soft game struggle after 30... and tossed out dozens and dozens of examples... but whatever

theres no exact science to this... just trends... just logic

theres the whole buy low/sell high thing... but fans here don't like that

theres the thing where players who give a damn... get discouraged playing on bad teams... those who don't like the freedom to run and gun

I'm impressed landeskog can be a plus player in this mess... but not at all surprised duchesne is a negative player

I mean... other people will tell me duschense skates fast... and I have to agree he does

I don't get where the other love comes into play

 

[Absurdity]

I doubt st louis likes that... the value on the other one might be fair imho, but I don't see the need to flip a dman for a forward that hasn't established himself as a top 6 guy yet

I think St. Louis may want another piece added to the deal, but with Stastny out, getting a center like Spooner in return may alleviate Stastny's absence in their lineup.

I would rather see the Bruins pursue something similar to that Bennett deal rather than packaging Carlo (if he's available for a trade) for Landeskog. Bennett is cost-controlled and only 20 years old. He should be a top 6 forward/center in the future similar to Landeskog. Bennett also fits in more with the upcoming prospects due to his age. There's plenty of time for Bennett to establish himself in this league, and I think he would do so here in Boston where there are veteran forwards to help him.

 

[Taz#24]

What do you guys think of these moves?


Brandon Carlo


Sam Bennett


Spooner
Bruins 2017 1st


Shattenkirk

Shattenkirk will be a rental to replace Carlo just for this season. McAvoy will replace Carlo/Shattenkirk next season.

So essentially Bruins trade a large, mobile, already top four D-man, with top two written all over him, who cracked the NHL at 19 years of age in arguably the most difficult position to do so (goaltending is close) in CARLO, a still inexpensive, very creative, albeit not defensively sound, relatively young centre in SPOONER and a first for renting SHATTENKIRK (for more then likely less then 30 games) and a very underachieving BENNETT? BIG NO from Boston on that one!!! If SWEENEY evened considered these deals he would be the dumbest NHL GM ever. SPOONER for BENNETT straight up would be a decent hockey trade but the rest of your proposal would ^%$ the Bruins for years to come.

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

I doubt st louis likes that... the value on the other one might be fair imho, but I don't see the need to flip a dman for a forward that hasn't established himself as a top 6 guy yet

Problem is, St. Louis is trying to make the playoffs. Shattenkirk is a rental, any team trying to acquire him is likely a playoff bound team (regardless of if they are are going to re-sign him or not). Playoff bound teams aren't likely to give up an established top 6 forward.

For a rental, I'd say Spooner+1st is overpayment for a pure rental point of view (although my guess is there'd be conditions if he resigns, which makes it more fair).

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

I think St. Louis may want another piece added to the deal, but with Stastny out, getting a center like Spooner in return may alleviate Stastny's absence in their lineup.

I would rather see the Bruins pursue something similar to that Bennett deal rather than packaging Carlo (if he's available for a trade) for Landeskog. Bennett is cost-controlled and only 20 years old. He should be a top 6 forward/center in the future similar to Landeskog. Bennett also fits in more with the upcoming prospects due to his age. There's plenty of time for Bennett to establish himself in this league, and I think he would do so here in Boston where there are veteran forwards to help him.

Wasn't Bennett's mom a B's fan?

Someone posted a pic of his mom wearing Bruins SC champ shirt a while back.'

EDIT: It was TSN. Here's the link. Look at the logo crossed out. Sam Bennett's Mom <3's the B's

 

[BruinDust]

What do you guys think of these moves?


Brandon Carlo


Sam Bennett


Spooner
Bruins 2017 1st


Shattenkirk

Shattenkirk will be a rental to replace Carlo just for this season. McAvoy will replace Carlo/Shattenkirk next season.

Why would the Bruins give up assets for Sam Bennett?

Let alone give up Spooner, Carlo and a 1st for 20 games of Shattenkirk and Sam Bennett.

 

[remer]

What do you guys think of these moves?


Brandon Carlo


Sam Bennett


Spooner
Bruins 2017 1st


Shattenkirk

Shattenkirk will be a rental to replace Carlo just for this season. McAvoy will replace Carlo/Shattenkirk next season.

Brutal for the Bruins. Not even close.

 

[Dr Hook]

Why would the Bruins give up assets for Sam Bennett?

Let alone give up Spooner, Carlo and a 1st for 20 games of Shattenkirk and Sam Bennett.

Someone earlier was comparing Bennett to Landeskog saying he was just as good and cheaper. It was a few pages back.

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

Someone earlier was comparing Bennett to Landeskog saying he was just as good and cheaper. It was a few pages back.

If we are gonna buy low on someone, we might as well be buying cheaper, too.

Whatever happens, we best have an upgraded defense by deadline if Sweeney plans on doing anything playoff related.

 

[Dr Hook]

If we are gonna buy low on someone, we might as well be buying cheaper, too.

Whatever happens, we best have an upgraded defense by deadline if Sweeney plans on doing anything playoff related.

I might like Bennett here- I've watched the Flames several times this season and he's looked pretty good, and only 20 too. But why would the Flames want to move him? He's an RFA at the end of the year, true, but still, why trade him away?