Proposal: All Bruins trade rumors/proposals: 16/17 Part VII

[BadBruins]

Ya that worked out great with Belesky and Hayes

Key word being "Smartly". Not 3rd liners coming off career years. Or the 30+ crowd on the downside.

It's just a really big gap in salary that makes you think.

 

[robinsonp16]

Avs fan coming in peace.

More and more this is starting to sound like a Lando/Carlo trade with pieces yet to be determined. I really want value Carlo they way you guys do and I'm willing to take the time to understand that. Is there a game or two this year you can share with me where Carlo really stood out in a good way. I'd like to go back and watch them. Thanks

Agreed.

I don't think there's one great game. It's the fact that you've gotten so much consistency from a 19 year old eating a ton of minutea.

 

[BlackFrancis]

Avs fan coming in peace.

More and more this is starting to sound like a Lando/Carlo trade with pieces yet to be determined. I really want value Carlo they way you guys do and I'm willing to take the time to understand that. Is there a game or two this year you can share with me where Carlo really stood out in a good way. I'd like to go back and watch them. Thanks

If your game day roster listed right defensemen so awful you felt the need to flush that paper down the toilet before someone called in a hazmat crew, you would begin to understand why having a right handed defenseman step in at 19 and not get banished by the coach or separate his shoulder by running face first into the boards for no apparent reason or miss 20 games with a shoulder injury every season or only be able to complete 10 foot passes with any regularity is kind of a breath of fresh air and a reason for optimism.

He is also cost controlled for the better part of a decade.

Your team doesn't really need him. Ours really does. Knowledge will help you understand, but it won't help you feel the need for Carlo on your team right now.

 

[Mione134]

^ Real talk

 

[patty59]

Avs fan coming in peace.

More and more this is starting to sound like a Lando/Carlo trade with pieces yet to be determined. I really want value Carlo they way you guys do and I'm willing to take the time to understand that. Is there a game or two this year you can share with me where Carlo really stood out in a good way. I'd like to go back and watch them. Thanks

19 year old kid stepped right into the NHL on Chara's right side and hasn't looked out of place playing 20+ a night. What more is there to say, he doesn't go end to end, he's just a solid and bright player.

 

[Estlin]

I would hate to see Carlo traded. I would equally hate to see Boston trade for Landeskog. Carlo is a need for the team; Landeskog is not.

 

[Alan Ryan]

If the Bruins resolve their "sniper" problem on the left wing with Landeskog, would it be time to hunker down and solve the backup goalie problem?

Surely there must be a goalie out there. Someone having the worst season of their career, maybe. And not living up to their contract, in terms of production. The B's would have plenty of prospects and draft picks to splash over any potential trading partner, as long as the prospects involved aren't slated for the Hall of Fame.

By this criteria, Khudobin would probably be ideal, but they've already got him and he sucks. But that may be a nice sell low opportunity, which Sakic has shown is actually a sell high opportunity if you make pretend the bad season isn't actually happening.

FWIW--from Eklund today:


On Halak...

Jaro Halak is nothing if not a survivor. How many times has he been cast off by a team only to return with a vengeance? The Bruins, despite the firing of their coach, are a playoff team currently, and given the division they play in if they had any help from a backup goalie they would be in the playoffs with ease. Halak is tearing it up in the minors. He is undefeated in ten games with crazy numbers...the Bruins are talking to the Islanders...this rumor is VERY much an e4.

 

[CombatOnContact]

FWIW--from Eklund today:


On Halak...

Jaro Halak is nothing if not a survivor. How many times has he been cast off by a team only to return with a vengeance? The Bruins, despite the firing of their coach, are a playoff team currently, and given the division they play in if they had any help from a backup goalie they would be in the playoffs with ease. Halak is tearing it up in the minors. He is undefeated in ten games with crazy numbers...the Bruins are talking to the Islanders...this rumor is VERY much an e4.

I know it's Eklund, but it would be a small silver lining if they could get Halak (on the cheap) and have him regain his form or at least push Rask. Especially if the Habs with Julien end up being a playoff opponent.

 

[PB37]

Avs fan coming in peace.

More and more this is starting to sound like a Lando/Carlo trade with pieces yet to be determined. I really want value Carlo they way you guys do and I'm willing to take the time to understand that. Is there a game or two this year you can share with me where Carlo really stood out in a good way. I'd like to go back and watch them. Thanks

Like any young dman, Carlo gets in trouble when he tries to do too much, ie: ill-advised pinches, eagerness to over support instead of keeping his lane, etc etc. Good news is that these types of things are completely correctable through coaching and experience and in the case of Carlo, it's not as an often occurrence as most other 19/20 year old dmen. Add that fact to his advanced defensive awareness, skating, stamina, and untapped offensive potential, and you have a very special young dman who's years away from his best seasons. Once he gets more NHL games and adds some lower and upper body strength, he can anchor a top pairing as the defensive presence while putting up 30ish tertiary points

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

Instead of paying big bucks for a Shattenkirk to backfill Carlo (if he's moved) I wonder if the Bruins are kicking the tires on Erik Johnson as part of a deal knowing that he's signed at a pretty reasonable, cost-controlled 6 million for a loooong time.

I mean they have the space to add Landeskog's salary alone right now. If they can move a couple of Hayes/Beleskey/McQuaid/Kevan then that could free up space for EJ going forward.

 

[Coach Parker]

Coach, I 2nd guessed myself when I posted that..I was thinking of how Calgary fans weren't pleased with his play and thought he was a better defenceman than they received. I did go overboard when I compared him to Dougie or any player at this point of his career. No way to predict how good Carlo will end up or he may disappoint. I just feel like he showed so much poise as a 20 year old that he might very well be the Trouba or Fowler we were looking for..

My mistake, should never have mentioned Dougie.

Not a mistake it made for great conversation and that's what we are all here for! I love listening to other people's thoughts on Carlo as well as our prospects and feeling better about the situation.

I'm just a little jaded (admit my mistakes) after years of Bruins management trading the quarter for the three dimes...that turn into nickels...that turn into pennies.

I'll be happy to keep Carlo and pass on Landeskog. I'll be angry to have to listen to Sweeney tell us again about prices and waste another year

I'm in that small group that truly still believe in Marchand, Bergeron, Krjeci, Chara, Rask, Pastrnak, Krug, Backes and the idea that the Atlantic is a joke...a wide open joke.

At the end of the day I absolutely dread the situation unfolding in Boston; the prospects that actually hit make the NHL just in time to watch the end decline of Bergeron and company and all of the sudden we have the bottom six and Pastrnak lined up with holes all over the roster.

Our two top line centers are ending their prime; our captain is on his last legs.

I'm one of the few who see the path to the ECF (where they would probably lose) as wide open and the two holes (1 RHD and Krejcis wing) able to be filled if a proper assessment of the Bruins prospects takes place and the expendable assets moved to replace Lucic and Hamilton while the valued prospects remain and continue to develop.

 

[toasterjam]

Blidh-JFK-Landeskog Swede line take over!!

but I really dont think Landeskog is much of a fit or particular need at this point. It feels like we need Carlo/McAvoy type players more than Landeskog right now.


It also seems we have a lot of young potential top 6 wingers at this point. Debrusk, Senyshyn, Pasta, Vatrano, Cehlarik, Heinen, Bjork

I don't know...I don't hate Landeskog or anything but just don't see a point really. Let's just wait for the kids and see what we got?

Dont bother Sweeney, let someone else overpay. He should focus on how to dump Beleskey and Hayes at this point, wayyyy too much money tied up in them.

 

[TMac21]

Keep Carlo.

 

[Coach Parker]

Coach has stated this many times... Bruins have three major holes right now.

Top Six Winger
Top pair defenceman
Back up goaltender

Not being able to acquire that defenceman should not be used as an excuse to avoid trying to fill the other holes.

Thank you! If a D comes up you act. Right now a LW is up and available under contract so fix that need. If the #4 is removed you have Colin Miller ready for that spot. The #1 hole is still vacant.

 

[Coach Parker]

I'm here. I read every post. Some I laugh at, some I cry at.

Status quo. It's close and Sakic has decisions to make. Ball is in his court (read scouting).

So really, no update so nothing more for me to add. I have names, but you sure as hell know I'm not going to post them.

and don't pm, I'm not giving them out

Thanks for the update Dom. Cap, cap, cap, cap, salary cap!

 

[Coach Parker]

I think this is the snag on this deal.

Landeskog is a given Carlo is a given.

Sakic wants more Sweeny isn't giving way.

I'm willing to bet Sweeney is happy to give up a prospect in the deal...and Beleskey. So how much prospect potential is salary cap space worth? The equation.

 

[Coach Parker]

I think any deal with Carlo and Landeskog as the main peices you have to clear some money. Otherwise just keep the $850K top-4 D for the next two years and throw the money at free agency. Preferably smartly.

That last sentence is a contradiction nowadays. There is no longer such a thing as spending money smartly in Free agency.

 

[Ratty]

Not a mistake it made for great conversation and that's what we are all here for! I love listening to other people's thoughts on Carlo as well as our prospects and feeling better about the situation.

I'm just a little jaded (admit my mistakes) after years of Bruins management trading the quarter for the three dimes...that turn into nickels...that turn into pennies.

I'll be happy to keep Carlo and pass on Landeskog. I'll be angry to have to listen to Sweeney tell us again about prices and waste another year

I'm in that small group that truly still believe in Marchand, Bergeron, Krjeci, Chara, Rask, Pastrnak, Krug, Backes and the idea that the Atlantic is a joke...a wide open joke.

At the end of the day I absolutely dread the situation unfolding in Boston; the prospects that actually hit make the NHL just in time to watch the end decline of Bergeron and company and all of the sudden we have the bottom six and Pastrnak lined up with holes all over the roster.

Our two top line centers are ending their prime; our captain is on his last legs.

I'm one of the few who see the path to the ECF (where they would probably lose) as wide open and the two holes (1 RHD and Krejcis wing) able to be filled if a proper assessment of the Bruins prospects takes place and the expendable assets moved to replace Lucic and Hamilton while the valued prospects remain and continue to develop.

I wouldn't feel so concerned that Bergeron and the over 30 core will have their skills decline as the prospects develop at the NHL level.

Bruins' talent is spread out over a few years as they've hit pay dirt in recent drafts. Sure, success at the CHL/NCAA/European level is no guarantee it will carry over to the NHL. But there is cause for optimism when you consider scouting reports and coaches' evaluations.

By the time Bergy, for example, starts a slide, Forsbacka Karlsson will have already been on the roster for a few years. His coach describes him as "another Bergeron". Hyperbole perhaps, but college coaches are no always so generous in praise of their players.

Frederic, also, has opened some eyes at Wisconsin. A freshman, he's already playing PP and SH minutes for the Badgers.

Ryan Donato whom we saw excel in the Beanpot, is another who's developing at a rapid pace. He's a sophomore and may not join the Bruins for another two years.

These are all centers who have exceeded expectations at the college level and will be making their way onto the ML roster to take the places of the veterans as they retire.

So I am hopeful that there won't be any large gaps in our prospect development and that these kids can ride with the core to many post seasons.

 

[Gordoff]

The hell with Joe Sakic, I have read a few articles that he's asking for 3-4 players in return for one of Duchene Or Landeskog. There are GM's that are on the record saying just exactly what I said, No way is giving up the future for any one of these 2 bozos worth it!!

He Joe Sakic can keep his loser team together, as he isn't in a position of strength but he sure is trying to feed on a sucker desperate enough to fall for it, I just hope that Sweeney isn't the one. Thank goodness no one on this board is the Bruins GM.

A bit over the top but I agree. At this point we have a good, young, cost controlled defenseman who's possibly going to be a 1-2 defenseman within 2/3 years. We have an unproven, possibly stud D-man probably about to come in and be a winner, a #1 can't miss but still we just don't know yet. Then we have a bunch of very good prospects that will be ready within a few (if that) years.
We have like a 50% chance of making the playoffs but if we do defense drives a team. Lando is a good, not a great forward, a team captain yadda yadda yadda that JS wants the world, the stars and the moon for. We've been taken for young players recently too many times. The gamble is huge for Don Sweeney and Co. There are other forward that may become available for trade, maybe more than we know.
If I'm DS, I sweat it out with what I have and very intensively watch the team on their road trip starting next week. Haste makes waste.

Just to take a break from the COL/Landeskog talk, how do people feel about Anthony Duclair? Currently in the AHL after a slow start, the kid has a quick release and has shown the ability to score (netted 20 last season) along with setting guys up. Can play either side of center and has wheels.

Vatrano - Spooner - Duclair

^fast scoring line, but defensively makes me nervous

Have to imagine the cost wouldn't be to high, but what's people thoughts on Duclair and what the cost could be.

I like this idea, have been thinking about him in a B's uniform since his name came up in the last month. It sure would take a lot of pressure off of DS if he pulled off a deal with less of a gamble like this one then to try to deal with the Avs in a high(er) risk deal.

FWIW--from Eklund today:


On Halak...

Jaro Halak is nothing if not a survivor. How many times has he been cast off by a team only to return with a vengeance? The Bruins, despite the firing of their coach, are a playoff team currently, and given the division they play in if they had any help from a backup goalie they would be in the playoffs with ease. Halak is tearing it up in the minors. He is undefeated in ten games with crazy numbers...the Bruins are talking to the Islanders...this rumor is VERY much an e4.

I know it's Eklund, but it would be a small silver lining if they could get Halak (on the cheap) and have him regain his form or at least push Rask. Especially if the Habs with Julien end up being a playoff opponent.

LOVE the idea of Halak! If they could pull this off AND get Halak they would essentially have two number 1's and that is an excellent position to be in. Tuukka is like a Swiss watch, he's somewhat delicate and needs to be treated carefully. If they can get him for a draft pick and then clear out cap space in another deal I'd concern myself with getting that done ASAP! Great goaltending and defense makes for championships!

 

[Coach Parker]

I wouldn't feel so concerned that Bergeron and the over 30 core will have their skills decline as the prospects develop at the NHL level.

Bruins' talent is spread out over a few years as they've hit pay dirt in recent drafts. Sure, success at the CHL/NCAA/European level is no guarantee it will carry over to the NHL. But there is cause for optimism when you consider scouting reports and coaches' evaluations.

By the time Bergy, for example, starts a slide, Forsbacka Karlsson will have already been on the roster for a few years. His coach describes him as "another Bergeron". Hyperbole perhaps, but college coaches are no always so generous in praise of their players.

Frederic, also, has opened some eyes at Wisconsin. A freshman, he's already playing PP and SH minutes for the Badgers.

Ryan Donato whom we saw excel in the Beanpot, is another who's developing at a rapid pace. He's a sophomore and may not join the Bruins for another two years.

These are all centers who have exceeded expectations at the college level and will be making their way onto the ML roster to take the places of the veterans as they retire.

So I am hopeful that there won't be any large gaps in our prospect development and that these kids can ride with the core to many post seasons.

I love the optimism here and it is encouraging to read. The idea of trying to replace Chara, Marchand, Bergeron, Krejci, Rask and Backes all around the same time from within is something that I think may be impossible for awhile.

We basically need a Selke winner, Norris winner, Vezina winner and a top five NHL scorer. How many times will we be able to say the Bruins had all of that on the same roster with a couple holes missing AND Pastrnak, Vatrano, Miller, and many others on ELC's or solid RFA contracts.

With the right additions, no team in the Atlantic scares me as a Bruins fan.

 

[Coach Parker]

A bit over the top but I agree. At this point we have a good, young, cost controlled defenseman who's possibly going to be a 1-2 defenseman within 2/3 years. We have an unproven, possibly stud D-man probably about to come in and be a winner, a #1 can't miss but still we just don't know yet. Then we have a bunch of very good prospects that will be ready within a few (if that) years.
We have like a 50% chance of making the playoffs but if we do defense drives a team. Lando is a good, not a great forward, a team captain yadda yadda yadda that JS wants the world, the stars and the moon for. We've been taken for young players recently too many times. The gamble is huge for Don Sweeney and Co. There are other forward that may become available for trade, maybe more than we know.
If I'm DS, I sweat it out with what I have and very intensively watch the team on their road trip starting next week. Haste makes waste.



I like this idea, have been thinking about him in a B's uniform since his name came up in the last month. It sure would take a lot of pressure off of DS if he pulled off a deal with less of a gamble like this one then to try to deal with the Avs in a high(er) risk deal.





LOVE the idea of Halak! If they could pull this off AND get Halak they would essentially have two number 1's and that is an excellent position to be in. Tuukka is like a Swiss watch, he's somewhat delicate and needs to be treated carefully. If they can get him for a draft pick and then clear out cap space in another deal I'd concern myself with getting that done ASAP! Great goaltending and defense makes for championships!

I brought it up Monday (or Sunday) here and was told the cap hit next year would be the end of it. I am assuming NYI would retain 50% and take back a bad contract?

If Sweeney wants to impress Bruins fans it would be moving out some bad contracts and addressing the holes...while keeping McAvoy.

 

[Coach Parker]

Now imagine for a second (let's add more fuel to this growing fire):

1. Bruins add and make the playoffs to face Ottawa in the first round and win.
2. Boston Faces Montreal in the second round...Rask is injured and Halak steps in against the Canadiens in the second round.

Unreal.

 

[Ratty]

A bit over the top but I agree. At this point we have a good, young, cost controlled defenseman who's possibly going to be a 1-2 defenseman within 2/3 years. We have an unproven, possibly stud D-man probably about to come in and be a winner, a #1 can't miss but still we just don't know yet. Then we have a bunch of very good prospects that will be ready within a few (if that) years.
We have like a 50% chance of making the playoffs but if we do defense drives a team. Lando is a good, not a great forward, a team captain yadda yadda yadda that JS wants the world, the stars and the moon for. We've been taken for young players recently too many times. The gamble is huge for Don Sweeney and Co. There are other forward that may become available for trade, maybe more than we know.
If I'm DS, I sweat it out with what I have and very intensively watch the team on their road trip starting next week. Haste makes waste.



I like this idea, have been thinking about him in a B's uniform since his name came up in the last month. It sure would take a lot of pressure off of DS if he pulled off a deal with less of a gamble like this one then to try to deal with the Avs in a high(er) risk deal.





LOVE the idea of Halak! If they could pull this off AND get Halak they would essentially have two number 1's and that is an excellent position to be in. Tuukka is like a Swiss watch, he's somewhat delicate and needs to be treated carefully. If they can get him for a draft pick and then clear out cap space in another deal I'd concern myself with getting that done ASAP! Great goaltending and defense makes for championships!

Duclair could certainly be the poor man's Landeskog. He's younger and has talent by the bushel full. He's fallen out of favor in Arizona and could be a buy low candidate. It would take a Spooner type talent, though, to get him. Last season he was 20-24-44 and was a prolific scorer at Quebec.

 

[Gordoff]

Duclair could certainly be the poor man's Landeskog. He's younger and has talent by the bushel full. He's fallen out of favor in Arizona and could be a buy low candidate. It would take a Spooner type talent, though, to get him. Last season he was 20-24-44 and was a prolific scorer at Quebec.

While I like Spooner, he's coming from a position of strength unlike our defense. I don't have the same problem giving him up to fill a position of need.

Halak would not only give Rask someone dependable but would also push Tuukka and that can't be bad.

 

[Pacman33]

Avs fan coming in peace. Out of curiousity, say the deal is landeskog for carlo, a first and one non mcavoy prospect. Who would you guys hate to lose the most? Seems like u have a bunch of solid prospects with similar value which is why i ask