Proposal: All Bruins trade rumors/proposals: 16/17 Part VII

[Blowfish]

My guess flyers easily win the lanneskog sweepstakeS. Loaded with Prospect D. Including a ghost. My guess where Kog ends up.

 

[BruinDust]

Great post and I agree with the evaluation, I'm not in favor of giving away Carlo but Landeskog is a core player, somebody you build around, you don't build around a second pairing D man, even one who could be very good.

The portion I bolded is because I'm pretty sure there is now a group that would not give up Carlo for any player over 20, not on an ELC with star potential. Even if that player never reaches Landeskog level there is "potential" which seems to matter more to some people. Carlo is replaceable and may not develop past his current level. Glen Wesley was a great rookie who had a good career but never reached the level of player projected for him. Trading Carlo for an established, young top 6 forward with a good contract is the right thing to do. Don't trade him for a rental, the Bruins should not be looking at rentals, but don't overvalue him either.

25 goal left wingers are players you build around?

We should do a poll to see how many posters here believe Landeskog is a franchise player.

Trading quality 20-year old D-mean for 25 goal wingers is never the right thing to do.

 

[ON3M4N]

Avs fan coming in peace. Out of curiousity, say the deal is landeskog for carlo, a first and one non mcavoy prospect. Who would you guys hate to lose the most? Seems like u have a bunch of solid prospects with similar value which is why i ask

Probably Senyshyn or JFK, maybe JFK a little more than Senyshyn,

 

[Fenian24]

Chara, Kevan, McQuaid, Liles. None of them are longterm Bruins, atleast should be.
That defense goes nowhere this year and nowhere in 2 years.

Yeah because McAvoy, Zboril, Lauzon, Lindgren and others have no chance of making the Bruins and making an impact like 2nd round pick Carlo did. When some of the prospects take roster spots at forward and D and you have cap space you couldn't spend that on an established defenseman or anything, because projecting free agents availability is so much different than prospects, or moving some of those forward prospects for an established top 4 defenseman, because you have space up front for DeBrusk, Senyshyn, Gabrielle, Donato, JFK, Frederic, Heinen, Chelarik and Bjork to go along with the core of Krecji, Pastrnak, Bergeron, Backes and Marchand who are all signed long term most with some form of NMC.

The only hope for another cup rests in the hands of Brandon Carlo, a stay at home Dman with great size, good speed and a nice first pass out of the zone. Great qualities and a good young D already but the way you make it sound he'll be our only hope for future success and as irreplaceable as Bobby Orr, Zdeno Chara, Eddie Shore or Ray Bourque.

 

[Pia8988]

25 goal left wingers are players you build around?

We should do a poll to see how many posters here believe Landeskog is a franchise player.

Trading quality 20-year old D-mean for 25 goal wingers is never the right thing to do.

I don't think he is. Just look at Hjalmarsson, not flashy, not big points wise. But he is important for Chicago and has been chosen over forwards constantly when picking who to keep due to the cap.

 

[Over the volcano]

Avs fan coming in peace. Out of curiousity, say the deal is landeskog for carlo, a first and one non mcavoy prospect. Who would you guys hate to lose the most? Seems like u have a bunch of solid prospects with similar value which is why i ask

Honestly the Bruins are pretty loaded with prospects to the point that losing any individual or pair wouldn't make too much of a difference. There might be individual style preference but no individual really stands out and away from the top group.

 

[Fenian24]

I don't agree with that. Hayes' contract really isn't that bad in terms of overall cost and length. Beleskey is he plays like he has is awful and has 3 more years. Hayes at worst gets buried next season and can be replaced by a prospect who in turn would essentially cost the cap the same as if Hayes was around.

I'm hoping it's just an off year for Belesky who should be a solid, if overpaid, third line winger who chips in a good physical game and 30-35 points. Hayes brings nothing with his deal and while it may be easier to bury I see it as almost unmovable (which means he should be traded this afternoon)

 

[BruinDust]

I don't think he is. Just look at Hjalmarsson, not flashy, not big points wise. But he is important for Chicago and has been chosen over forwards constantly when picking who to keep due to the cap.

Exactly.

Is Landeskog Toews/Kane/Hossa? The core forwards they have built around.

Or is he Sharp/Ladd/Saad/etc./etc. They quality wingers that they have chosen to move in order to keep their chosen core together.

 

[Fenian24]

25 goal left wingers are players you build around?

We should do a poll to see how many posters here believe Landeskog is a franchise player.

Trading quality 20-year old D-mean for 25 goal wingers is never the right thing to do.

Goals are at a premium in todays game, especially in Boston, the last 3 games excluded, add Landeskog you have one 30 goal scorer in Marchand, one 25+ in Pastrnak, two 20+ in Bergeron and Krecji and Backes who should be a 20 in your top 6. If all 6 of your top two line forwards can score at least 20+ it puts you in a tremendous position. Bergeron is a great two way player. Marchand, Backes and Landerskog are physical two way players, Pastrnak is a potential game breaker who is scrappy and there's Krecji.

Nobody knows what Carlo becomes, show me that in three years he is a shutdown top pairing D I change my mind. Take him away from Chara and see how he performs long term. He may not be the stud D everyone thinks he is going to be and allowing a top 6 forward on a good contract with intangibles to slip away over someone who may become a bottom pair D is not a great risk to me. I always take the established player over a prospect who has only played 58 games in the NHL.

Again he has played well and don't move him for a rental or a third liner or a package of bottom 6 forwards but do move him if it upgrade your forward group which I think Landeskog does.

 

[Fenian24]

Exactly.

Is Landeskog Toews/Kane/Hossa? The core forwards they have built around.

Or is he Sharp/Ladd/Saad/etc./etc. They quality wingers that they have chosen to move in order to keep their chosen core together.

Are you saying you wouldn't move Carlo for Saad? Is Carlo now one of our core players after 58 games?

 

[ODAAT]

Goals are at a premium in todays game, especially in Boston, the last 3 games excluded, add Landeskog you have one 30 goal scorer in Marchand, one 25+ in Pastrnak, two 20+ in Bergeron and Krecji and Backes who should be a 20 in your top 6. If all 6 of your top two line forwards can score at least 20+ it puts you in a tremendous position. Bergeron is a great two way player. Marchand, Backes and Landerskog are physical two way players, Pastrnak is a potential game breaker who is scrappy and there's Krecji.

Nobody knows what Carlo becomes, show me that in three years he is a shutdown top pairing D I change my mind. Take him away from Chara and see how he performs long term. He may not be the stud D everyone thinks he is going to be and allowing a top 6 forward on a good contract with intangibles to slip away over someone who may become a bottom pair D is not a great risk to me. I always take the established player over a prospect who has only played 58 games in the NHL.

Again he has played well and don't move him for a rental or a third liner or a package of bottom 6 forwards but do move him if it upgrade your forward group which I think Landeskog does.

I too more often will take the established player. My biggest issue or concern at this stage is, for all the B`s depth on the blueline, most of them are left handed. If this team had better right handed depth, I wouldn`t be as adamantly opposed to a deal involving Carlo, now, toss in Tyson Barrie........

 

[BruinDust]

are you saying you wouldn't move Carlo for Saad?

No I wouldn't.

As stated many times, I see no need for Boston to trade 20-year old right-shot D with NHL experience for scoring LWers.

 

[BruinDust]

Goals are at a premium in todays game, especially in Boston, the last 3 games excluded, add Landeskog you have one 30 goal scorer in Marchand, one 25+ in Pastrnak, two 20+ in Bergeron and Krecji and Backes who should be a 20 in your top 6. If all 6 of your top two line forwards can score at least 20+ it puts you in a tremendous position. Bergeron is a great two way player. Marchand, Backes and Landerskog are physical two way players, Pastrnak is a potential game breaker who is scrappy and there's Krecji.

Nobody knows what Carlo becomes, show me that in three years he is a shutdown top pairing D I change my mind. Take him away from Chara and see how he performs long term. He may not be the stud D everyone thinks he is going to be and allowing a top 6 forward on a good contract with intangibles to slip away over someone who may become a bottom pair D is not a great risk to me. I always take the established player over a prospect who has only played 58 games in the NHL.

Again he has played well and don't move him for a rental or a third liner or a package of bottom 6 forwards but do move him if it upgrade your forward group which I think Landeskog does.

Well you already have that scenario. You don't think Vatrano will score at least 20 goals a season on a consistent basis?

 

[Fierce1]

What about Miller, McAvoy, Zboril, Lauzon, Sherman, Lindgren, Johansson, even Morrow, Grezlyk?

Could any of them be close to, the same, or better than Carlo?

I'm not saying that Carlo won't be great. And I'd be really sad to see him go. To me, Landeskog is worth Carlo. But if there are other options, I'd love to discuss it. I think Moving Carlo for a more immediate impact asset is the right play for the team.

One for one Landesog has more value right now IMO but would he have more value to the Bruins today and long term? With the exception of McAvoy I don't see any of the other D you mention as having more upside than Carlo. With that said D-men develop at different rates and there are no absolutes. I wasn't a fan of C. Miller but the last couple of months with regular minutes he has really come along. Lauzon and Zboril will need time in the minors to mature but I'm hopeful. I like Morrow but we don't play him so he can't develop much just practicing. I like Grez but too small and we already have Krug. The other guys are projects I think.

I think about Gomez to the Habs for a prospect named Ryan McDonagh. He was a very good prospect but had never played a game for the Habs so who really knew. I know we can pull up examples that go the other way as well but I guess that's why GMs take risks and get fired and hired all the time.

 

[CombatOnContact]

Chara, Kevan, McQuaid, Liles. None of them are longterm Bruins, atleast should be.
That defense goes nowhere this year and nowhere in 2 years.

Chara, Carlo, McQuaid, Liles, Kevan.. doesn't scream a heck of alot better to me.

Krug, C.Miller, McAvoy, McQuaid, Zboril, Lauzon, O'Gara..

Carlo is a nice young player to have, but he doesn't alter the Bruins defense on his own.

Comparatively, what does Landeskog do for that top 6 forward group?

In any case, kdp tweeting that Carlo is still a non starter for Boston. If true, I'm guessing Sakic came to check out the other guys Sweeney was raving about and didn't find any combination to his liking...

 

[ODAAT]

Chara, Carlo, McQuaid, Liles, Kevan.. doesn't scream a heck of alot better to me.

Krug, C.Miller, McAvoy, McQuaid, Zboril, Lauzon, O'Gara..

Carlo is a nice young player to have, but he doesn't alter the Bruins defense on his own.

Comparatively, what does Landeskog do for that top 6 forward group?

In any case, kdp tweeting that Carlo is still a non starter for Boston. If true, I'm guessing Sakic came to check out the other guys Sweeney was raving about and didn't find any combination to his liking...

I`ll mention again, this team appears heavy on the left side for D-men, that`s where I try to make a deal happen. Right side for years to come has McAvoy and Carlo, don`t mess with that DS please

 

[BruinDust]

Chara, Carlo, McQuaid, Liles, Kevan.. doesn't scream a heck of alot better to me.

Krug, C.Miller, McAvoy, McQuaid, Zboril, Lauzon, O'Gara..

Carlo is a nice young player to have, but he doesn't alter the Bruins defense on his own.

Comparatively, what does Landeskog do for that top 6 forward group?

In any case, kdp tweeting that Carlo is still a non starter for Boston. If true, I'm guessing Sakic came to check out the other guys Sweeney was raving about and didn't find any combination to his liking...

Fingers crossed if this is true.

 

[CombatOnContact]

25 goal left wingers are players you build around?

We should do a poll to see how many posters here believe Landeskog is a franchise player.

Trading quality 20-year old D-mean for 25 goal wingers is never the right thing to do.

I don't see where anyone called Landeskog a franchise player. He's a core player.

What's Carlo right now? If he can become Hjalmarsson, great. But I guess you would take him over Landeskog anyway.. but if this team is looking for a Hjalmarsson, seems to me there's several other D prospects that could have that potential..no?

 

[Fenian24]

No I wouldn't.

As stated many times, I see no need for Boston to trade 20-year old right-shot D with NHL experience for scoring LWers.

We'll disagree on this then. I like Carlo, this isn't me trying to move Loui Eriksson out of town for a bag of pucks and hockey tape, I just will take an established player whose game I like over a prospect. I've seen too many "can't miss" prospects miss, even after a solid first season.

 

[ON3M4N]

IDK if I posted this before, but I feel like a 3-way deal between COL/BOS/ANH makes sense. ANH has a good supply of young d-men and could use some draft exempt talent, BOS has the draft exempt talent and could use a 2nd line winger and finally COL has the second line winger, but needs young defensemen.

 

[Fenian24]

Well you already have that scenario. You don't think Vatrano will score at least 20 goals a season on a consistent basis?

Prospect, like his game he doesn't bring Landeskogs physical game or skating. Great shot, finds seams well and knows how to score, smart player but could be very one dimensional, also haven't seen a full season from him yet. Like him with Spooner, get them a real RW and that could be a very good scoring third line.

Still taking Landeskog.

 

[CombatOnContact]

We'll disagree on this then. I like Carlo, this isn't me trying to move Loui Eriksson out of town for a bag of pucks and hockey tape, I just will take an established player whose game I like over a prospect. I've seen too many "can't miss" prospects miss, even after a solid first season.

This is my philosophy also. Carlo could be the next Hjalmarsson.. or he could be the next Hal Gill (nothing wrong with that either).

Landeskog is Landeskog. And he's a damn good player, ready to contribute now and consistently for many years.. only a few less years than Carlo overall.

 

[CombatOnContact]

Well you already have that scenario. You don't think Vatrano will score at least 20 goals a season on a consistent basis?

Landeskog brings way more than goals.

Michael Ryder in his prime probably scores more goals than Landeskog. But I'd take Landeskog.

 

[BruinDust]

I don't see where anyone called Landeskog a franchise player. He's a core player.

What's Carlo right now? If he can become Hjalmarsson, great. But I guess you would take him over Landeskog anyway.. but if this team is looking for a Hjalmarsson, seems to me there's several other D prospects that could have that potential..no?

There is that key word. Potential.

Carlo has PROVEN he can play in the NHL, and be effective.

There is a chance none of the rest of Boston's D prospect become Top 4 D-men. Not to mention most of them shoot left. Even the legendary Charlie McAvoy is no guarantee to be an effective NHLer. I like his chances, I'd even put money on it, but there is zero guarantees.

And folks keep citing Hjalmarsson as a comparable to Carlo. And it's not far off base.

But if were talking potential why can't Carlo be a Seabrook?

 

[CombatOnContact]

I too more often will take the established player. My biggest issue or concern at this stage is, for all the B`s depth on the blueline, most of them are left handed. If this team had better right handed depth, I wouldn`t be as adamantly opposed to a deal involving Carlo, now, toss in Tyson Barrie........

If Tyson Barrie is on the table, this deal should be done immediately.