Proposal: All Bruins trade rumors/proposals: 16/17 Part VI

[Bruinfanatic]

With no additions to the defense at trade deadline, Bruins protect Chara, Krug and C. Miller thereby exposing Morrow, McQuaid and K. Miller.

Yeah that would be pretty much what I would think they do.Unless they decide to move one of them if they fall out of playoff hunt.

 

[BadBruins]

.He has been getting better and better .Huge upside..He only 24 and cheap too.Cannon shot .Blasted that puck top corner tonite He is gaining confidence by the game.They expose him they better be getting a good player.Cause Vegas grabs him for sure

Huge upside. Really? I've never understood the love with C.Miller. I see some value there, but kind of like I see Spooner. Not core. Not a true difference maker. Just a guy. Good middle roster fill. Nothing more.

If there's a chance to add a real top-2/3 D, C.Miller would be the least of my worries.

 

[22Brad Park]

Huge upside. Really? I've never understood the love with C.Miller. I see some value there, but kind of like I see Spooner. Not core. Not a true difference maker. Just a guy. Good middle roster fill. Nothing more.

That's your opinion.Mine is he finally has found some confidence and not riding the press box every game.He is just 24 years old.That shot of his is an absolute cannon .Curious.How do you view Carlo?And who do you consider top 2 or 3 chance to add?

 

[Coach Parker]

That's your opinion.Mine is he finally has found some confidence and not riding the press box every game.He is just 24 years old.That shot of his is an absolute cannon .Curious.How do you view Carlo?And who do you consider top 2 or 3 chance to add?

For me it's all about defenseman playing to their level and in their element.

For example, Chara is a #3 now and Carlo is a #4. Boston has been asking them to play #1 and #2 roles this year and the record is revealing. Krug is a #2.

Miller is a #5-6. He has been riding pine or pushed into a top four role. Keep him as the #5 third pairing RHD and you will see nights like tonight where he excels and faces the opponents 3rd and 4th lines.

Miller and Miller can handle that load. They can even be a top NHL third pairing given that limited role. Nothing either one has ever done suggests top four role and nothing should.

Keep them where they belong and watch them flourish with their ice time.

Bump Chara and Carlo to where they belong (#3 and #4 and the top PK unit) and watch them flourish.

Get Krug a #1 RHD partner and watch them both flourish.

Sweeney has currently failed to set these players up for success by pushing them all up 1-2 spots and the fatigue, mental errors and team record all reflect that hole that has plagued the Bruins for three years now.

If you think McAvoy is ready next year then trade assets for a winger for Krejci and get swept by the Caps as the wildcard team this year.

If you think McAvoy needs this year and next, get a winger for Krejci and a partner for Krug for the next couple years and enjoy home ice advantage against the Sens in the first round.

 

[BadBruins]

That's your opinion.Mine is he finally has found some confidence and not riding the press box every game.He is just 24 years old.That shot of his is an absolute cannon .Curious.How do you view Carlo?

24 is not that young anymore. He's in his 4th professional season. It's just not that common for players who turn pro at 19/20 to suddenly figure it all out at 24 or 25. He has some good tools to work with. So do most players selected in the draft. Not convinced it will actually translate to anything. He was eligible in the same draft as Dougie Hamilton (2011). I compare him to his peers. Carlo is one of about 15 players from his draft class playing regularly, and one of 3-4 D. That is significantly more promising.

 

[Coach Parker]

Fill in the two XXX's and have this as your sheet going into the playoffs and I see the Bruins as having home ice advantage against the Sens in the first round:

Marchand - Bergeron - Backes
XXX - Krejci - Pastrnak

Krug - XXX
Chara - Carlo
Miller - Miller

Rask
Khudobin

Prospects:

McAvoy

Huge XXX's to fill and I left the bottom 6 vacant because I don't see how they fill those two without some of them (Spooner, Vatrano, etc) going the other way. DO not part with McAvoy at all but all the rest are on the table if it is bringing in those two XXX's and they are NOT rentals.

 

[s3antana5757]

24 is not that young anymore. He's in his 4th professional season. It's just not that common for players who turn pro at 19/20 to suddenly figure it all out at 24 or 25. He has some good tools to work with. So do most players selected in the draft. Not convinced it will actually translate to anything. He was eligible in the same draft as Dougie Hamilton (2011). I compare him to his peers. Carlo is one of about 15 players from his draft class playing regularly, and one of 3-4 D. That is significantly more promising.

Doesn't Jack always say it's around the 200 game mark for an NHL defenseman. Sure 24 is not young, but he's definitely not old. Now K. Miller on the other hand is 29 going to be 30, and he will never amount to anything more than what he currently is. I think C. Miller as the bottom pairing RHD with Carlo/McAvoy ahead of him would be a really solid trio. I don't think that's asking too much of him.

Fill in the two XXX's and have this as your sheet going into the playoffs and I see the Bruins as having home ice advantage against the Sens in the first round:

Marchand - Bergeron - Backes
XXX - Krejci - Pastrnak

Krug - XXX
Chara - Carlo
Miller - Miller

Rask
Khudobin

Prospects:

McAvoy

Huge XXX's to fill and I left the bottom 6 vacant because I don't see how they fill those two without some of them (Spooner, Vatrano, etc) going the other way. DO not part with McAvoy at all but all the rest are on the table if it is bringing in those two XXX's and they are NOT rentals.

I would prefer to not mess around with a RHD. If necessary, put K. Miller with Krug and bring in a LHD. I really think the right side is pretty much set for the foreseeable future, barring a trade of Carlo/McAvoy. I could totally get on board with them bringing in a LW to play with Krejci. Hopefully it doesn't cost Vatrano, but I'm fine with Spooner being moved. I don't think this team is a serious cup contender. Don't see any real rhyme or reason to throw all the eggs into this year. Make or miss the play-offs, the future still looks promising and it's not worth mortgaging the future to get bounced early.

 

[Coach Parker]

Doesn't Jack always say it's around the 200 game mark for an NHL defenseman. Sure 24 is not young, but he's definitely not old. Now K. Miller on the other hand is 29 going to be 30, and he will never amount to anything more than what he currently is. I think C. Miller as the bottom pairing RHD with Carlo/McAvoy ahead of him would be a really solid trio. I don't think that's asking too much of him.



I would prefer to not mess around with a RHD. If necessary, put K. Miller with Krug and bring in a LHD. I really think the right side is pretty much set for the foreseeable future, barring a trade of Carlo/McAvoy. I could totally get on board with them bringing in a LW to play with Krejci. Hopefully it doesn't cost Vatrano, but I'm fine with Spooner being moved. I don't think this team is a serious cup contender. Don't see any real rhyme or reason to throw all the eggs into this year. Make or miss the play-offs, the future still looks promising and it's not worth mortgaging the future to get bounced early.

I don't either.

But I will be the first to admit the Atlantic is a joke right now and if the Bruins could add those XXX's I would love to see this team get playoff exposure for the kids in the lockerroom.

For example:

Bruins add a winger to Krejci and a defenseman with Krug. It costs them prospects, 1st, Spooner and/or Vatrano but the top six are intact.

IN that situation the Bruins finish 2nd in the Atlantic, catching Ottawa, or 3rd and still face Ottawa/Toronto.

I would take the Bruins against the Sens/Leafs in the first round.

I would take the Bruins against the Canadiens/Wildcard team in the second round.

Bruins bow out in the ECF to the winner of the Metro.

Fast forward to next year, top six are all here, entire top four on defense are all here, McAvoy is one step closer and the entire team went three rounds in the playoffs.

That's a basket that I'll toss some prospect/picks/bottom six eggs into and enjoy the ride. I don't see the current Bruins team that would have finally addressed the vacant holes they made when Hamilton and Lucic were moved bowing out to the Leafs or Sens in the first round, or the Canadiens in the second round for that matter.

 

[22Brad Park]

I don't either.

But I will be the first to admit the Atlantic is a joke right now and if the Bruins could add those XXX's I would love to see this team get playoff exposure for the kids in the lockerroom.

For example:

Bruins add a winger to Krejci and a defenseman with Krug. It costs them prospects, 1st, Spooner and/or Vatrano but the top six are intact.

IN that situation the Bruins finish 2nd in the Atlantic, catching Ottawa, or 3rd and still face Ottawa/Toronto.

I would take the Bruins against the Sens/Leafs in the first round.

I would take the Bruins against the Canadiens/Wildcard team in the second round.

Bruins bow out in the ECF to the winner of the Metro.

Fast forward to next year, top six are all here, entire top four on defense are all here, McAvoy is one step closer and the entire team went three rounds in the playoffs.

That's a basket that I'll toss some prospect/picks/bottom six eggs into and enjoy the ride. I don't see the current Bruins team that would have finally addressed the vacant holes they made when Hamilton and Lucic were moved bowing out to the Leafs or Sens in the first round, or the Canadiens in the second round for that matter.

I think Ottawa is going to pass Montreal 4 games at hand 6 pts back.Starting goalie back now.That said and just my opinion I do not want to see any moves like last year for rentals or Liles. Unless something for future it's not worth it to me.

 

[Coach Parker]

I think Ottawa is going to pass Montreal 4 games at hand 6 pts back.Starting goalie back now.

As long as the Bruins address the XXX's above I take them in a best of seven against any Atlantic team right to the ECF. WHen they get there, they would be exposed against the Metropolitan team.

Nothing Ottawa, Toronto, Boston or Montreal are doing right now or since 2017 arrived has me thinking they are better than the other three. Boston fixing their two holes at the right time would push them ahead of the other three.

 

[22Brad Park]

24 is not that young anymore. He's in his 4th professional season. It's just not that common for players who turn pro at 19/20 to suddenly figure it all out at 24 or 25. He has some good tools to work with. So do most players selected in the draft. Not convinced it will actually translate to anything. He was eligible in the same draft as Dougie Hamilton (2011). I compare him to his peers. Carlo is one of about 15 players from his draft class playing regularly, and one of 3-4 D. That is significantly more promising.

Carlo only played where he did cause Bruins defence was weak.Lots of teams he would of been back in minors to start or way down depth chart at very least.Very very limited offence side to his game.I like him cause he big and should get way better.I also like the way Colin Miller is playing.He had no confidence but better late then never

 

[Gordoff]

With no additions to the defense at trade deadline, Bruins protect Chara, Krug and C. Miller thereby exposing Morrow, McQuaid and K. Miller.

Dumb question: Has Morrow played in the last two games, first 2 with Cassidy as HC?

 

[PlayMakers]

Dumb question: Has Morrow played in the last two games, first 2 with Cassidy as HC?

No. And he had a golden opportunity with Chara out last game, but he went with Liles over Morrow.

Also interesting to see that Spooner is playing less under Cassidy than under Julien. I say that not to disparage Cassidy, who is off to a very good start, it's just kind of surprising because Cassidy was billed as a guy who had relationships with Spooner and Morrow and was going to give them more rope not less. Could also just be the result of a small sample size...

 

[PlayMakers]

With the way Cehlarik performed in his first NHL game tonight, I'd push pause on the Landeskog deal...

Marchand - Bergeron - Backes
Cehlarik - Krejci - Pastrnak
Spooner - ???? - Vatrano
Schaller - Moore - Nash

I still think they need a 3rd line C. Brian Boyle wouldn't be a bad experiment. He's on pace for around 20 goals and 40 points. They're loco if they think they're getting a 1st for him... Regardless, we've got Beleskey, Morrow, Hayes and Liles to see if there's a team out there that's deep at C and interested in swapping 3rd line talents (i.e. no futures involved).

Despite Dobby's better than normal performance tonight, I'd also like to see them get a legit backup here who could play the majority of the games down the stretch if Rask continues to struggle (with his injury).

 

[vjcsmoke]

Don't be fooled. This team is not a playoff contender. We've seen them blow hot and cold too often now.

We should be selling assets at the deadline this season to set ourselves up for next year. Please don't waste valuable draft choices on rentals when the most this will do is get us knocked out of the 1st round IF we can even make it that far.

Sweeney has to be smart. But he fears for his job so he might act rashly. And we'll get set back another 2-3 years of development and blow our assets on veteran rentals. That's what scares me.

 

[Gordoff]

For me it's all about defenseman playing to their level and in their element.

For example, Chara is a #3 now and Carlo is a #4. Boston has been asking them to play #1 and #2 roles this year and the record is revealing. Krug is a #2.

Miller is a #5-6. He has been riding pine or pushed into a top four role. Keep him as the #5 third pairing RHD and you will see nights like tonight where he excels and faces the opponents 3rd and 4th lines.

Miller and Miller can handle that load. They can even be a top NHL third pairing given that limited role. Nothing either one has ever done suggests top four role and nothing should.

Keep them where they belong and watch them flourish with their ice time.

Bump Chara and Carlo to where they belong (#3 and #4 and the top PK unit) and watch them flourish.

Get Krug a #1 RHD partner and watch them both flourish.

Sweeney has currently failed to set these players up for success by pushing them all up 1-2 spots and the fatigue, mental errors and team record all reflect that hole that has plagued the Bruins for three years now.

If you think McAvoy is ready next year then trade assets for a winger for Krejci and get swept by the Caps as the wildcard team this year.

If you think McAvoy needs this year and next, get a winger for Krejci and a partner for Krug for the next couple years and enjoy home ice advantage against the Sens in the first round.

No. And he had a golden opportunity with Chara out last game, but he went with Liles over Morrow.

Also interesting to see that Spooner is playing less under Cassidy than under Julien. I say that not to disparage Cassidy, who is off to a very good start, it's just kind of surprising because Cassidy was billed as a guy who had relationships with Spooner and Morrow and was going to give them more rope not less. Could also just be the result of a small sample size...

With the way Cehlarik performed in his first NHL game tonight, I'd push pause on the Landeskog deal...

Marchand - Bergeron - Backes
Cehlarik - Krejci - Pastrnak
Spooner - ???? - Vatrano
Schaller - Moore - Nash

I still think they need a 3rd line C. Brian Boyle wouldn't be a bad experiment. He's on pace for around 20 goals and 40 points. They're loco if they think they're getting a 1st for him... Regardless, we've got Beleskey, Morrow, Hayes and Liles to see if there's a team out there that's deep at C and interested in swapping 3rd line talents (i.e. no futures involved).

Despite Dobby's better than normal performance tonight, I'd also like to see them get a legit backup here who could play the majority of the games down the stretch if Rask continues to struggle (with his injury).

Thanks for the Morrow update Bill. I agree with all of the bolded above. Very interesting times for sure. I think we're seeing Cassidy keeping Sweeney's word re seeing how certain players play in different various roles and how the chemistry works with crtain lines mixed. Pretty enjoyable so far, but only 2 games.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

That's your opinion.Mine is he finally has found some confidence and not riding the press box every game.He is just 24 years old.That shot of his is an absolute cannon .Curious.How do you view Carlo?And who do you consider top 2 or 3 chance to add?

is he a second coming of jeff jillson or is he david tanabe? I think ive seen a lot of dmen with skating... shot... that probably never amounted to more than questionable 5/6 guys...

if we keep him and hes better than the other guys play him... but if we lose him, these guys are never missed much when they play for someone else

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

24 is not that young anymore. He's in his 4th professional season. It's just not that common for players who turn pro at 19/20 to suddenly figure it all out at 24 or 25. He has some good tools to work with. So do most players selected in the draft. Not convinced it will actually translate to anything. He was eligible in the same draft as Dougie Hamilton (2011). I compare him to his peers. Carlo is one of about 15 players from his draft class playing regularly, and one of 3-4 D. That is significantly more promising.

24 can definitely be young for a dman... its not necessarily young... but we can find many many many examples of dmen that become a lot better after 24... I mean look at our cup winning defense with boychuk, mcquaid. ference, seidenberg as just some examples of guys that got much better after age 25... these guys were all bottom pair or in boychuks case not even in the majors at this same age

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

let me be the first in awhile here to throw out Justin faulks name as the name neely is talking about... rumors have started to circulate hes in play... he is probably 4th on Carolina's depth chart of young dmen... their franchise has shaky ownership... poor attendance... hes at 4.8 mill which is pricy for a 4th dman on a bubble team

of course that's why I believe he can be moved

as to why we want him? hes a lot cheaper than shattenkirk over the next 3 years at 4.8. he is just turning 25 in june so his next 3 years are his prime years basically... he might be kind of a pp specialist but hes had 3 straight seasons of double figure goal scoring now.

what will be the cost? I see one of our young dmen as part of the package since we have too many... I think Carolina could also use one of our vets since they need the warm body... and then it would take more... a first maybe... a top rated forward prospect maybe?

my question is... would having BOTH faulk and krug be overkill?

theres so much talk about us/st louis... I run this up for consideration... they are losing their pp specialist. I suggest they need a new pp specialist signed for a few years... and they have the cap space for krug if they can move someone with similar cap

enter jay bouwmeister. he turns 34 next year... has 2 years at 5.4... and figures to be a good partner for faulk. theres a ntc involved but st louis is undergoing change... probably looking at a shakeup... would he be ok with a move to a team that wants him if they ask him to go?

I think krug might be enough to land bouwmeister straight up... and maybe we even get more back?

how would that leave our defense?

Justin faulk/jay bouwmeister
Brandon carlo/zdeno chara
c miller/ whoever is left over

with Charlie mcavoy around to push c miller for icetime next year... and hopefully a couple of the lh shot kids develop over the next 2 years as we need to replace chara

so... I'm going out on the limb... calling myself an insider... based on what I think ive heard... what I think ive seen... the needs of the team... my gut call...

I'm predicting Justin faulk will be a bruin this season... and it wont shock me if we make a double move to then flip krug while hes on his hot streak for a more defensive responsible skater like bouwmeister

 

[Alan Ryan]

No. And he had a golden opportunity with Chara out last game, but he went with Liles over Morrow.

Also interesting to see that Spooner is playing less under Cassidy than under Julien. I say that not to disparage Cassidy, who is off to a very good start, it's just kind of surprising because Cassidy was billed as a guy who had relationships with Spooner and Morrow and was going to give them more rope not less. Could also just be the result of a small sample size...

I was surprised that Coach Cassidy had Spooner on the penalty kill against Vancouver.

 

[Alan Ryan]

With the way Cehlarik performed in his first NHL game tonight, I'd push pause on the Landeskog deal...

Marchand - Bergeron - Backes
Cehlarik - Krejci - Pastrnak
Spooner - ???? - Vatrano
Schaller - Moore - Nash

I still think they need a 3rd line C. Brian Boyle wouldn't be a bad experiment. He's on pace for around 20 goals and 40 points. They're loco if they think they're getting a 1st for him... Regardless, we've got Beleskey, Morrow, Hayes and Liles to see if there's a team out there that's deep at C and interested in swapping 3rd line talents (i.e. no futures involved).

Despite Dobby's better than normal performance tonight, I'd also like to see them get a legit backup here who could play the majority of the games down the stretch if Rask continues to struggle (with his injury).

Eklund had this yesterday:

On Halak...

I am hearing the Bruins have serious interest and have been trying to get Halak for sometime, but until now the Islanders have hesitated on moving him in Conference...With Boston's backup goalie issues this makes sense...for sure..

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=82862&blogger_id=1

 

[sarge88]

is he a second coming of jeff jillson or is he david tanabe? I think ive seen a lot of dmen with skating... shot... that probably never amounted to more than questionable 5/6 guys...

if we keep him and hes better than the other guys play him... but if we lose him, these guys are never missed much when they play for someone else

Weren't they the same guy?

 

[Alan Ryan]

With the way Cehlarik performed in his first NHL game tonight, I'd push pause on the Landeskog deal...

Marchand - Bergeron - Backes
Cehlarik - Krejci - Pastrnak
Spooner - ???? - Vatrano
Schaller - Moore - Nash

I still think they need a 3rd line C. Brian Boyle wouldn't be a bad experiment. He's on pace for around 20 goals and 40 points. They're loco if they think they're getting a 1st for him... Regardless, we've got Beleskey, Morrow, Hayes and Liles to see if there's a team out there that's deep at C and interested in swapping 3rd line talents (i.e. no futures involved).

Despite Dobby's better than normal performance tonight, I'd also like to see them get a legit backup here who could play the majority of the games down the stretch if Rask continues to struggle (with his injury).

I'm eager to see how Cehlarik does on the Krejci line against Montreal. He had a good start in his first game and hope he can build on that. If it goes well they have a whole week to practice together before the next game.

It's critical to get a good LW for Krejci and I've been eager to see a trade for Landeskog. If Cehlarik can fill the role the Bruins are that much closer to building the team through drafting and developing.

 

[08SeaBass08]

If it goes well they have a whole week to practice together before the next game.

No practices during the bye week. First practice is Saturday 2/18 in San Jose.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Weren't they the same guy?

sort of my point... but one did bounce around for a 450 game career...

I just remember people very excited about these guys when they were still not fulltime pros... and then... a lot of them never became fulltime pros. and we can definitely find a lot of other names to throw into this mix

I went to school with a kid named len esau. he got his 14 games in the nhl with Edmonton/Calgary/Quebec. he was actually an ahl all star a couple times... had the big shot... could skate

I don't think esau ever had the same hype that tanabe or jillson or colin miller enjoy now but ive been watching these types of kids bounce around the edges for my 40 years as a fan.

on the other hand you do have stories like johnny boychuk... mark Giordano... stories that do prove some dmen will learn to play the game at the nhl level even after they turn 24/25

all in all I cant be too excited these days over part time bottom pair dmen. MOST will fail to ever become anything more than bottom pair dmen. But a team needs to throw a few of these guys into the blender if they are to hope one will emerge into something useful.

people starting to worry whether or not c miller is on our protection list though.... probably need to chill. this type of player is available at a fairly cheap cost for whatever team doesn't already have it.