Proposal: All Bruins trade rumors/proposals: 16/17 Part V

[Pia8988]

This won't go over well but I'm leaning towards iggy. He will be easily had and on an expiring contract. Nothing to lose and is another sniper alongside Pastrnak Vatrano. I know he's old blabla but he would come in motivated and can play up and down the lineup. He owes us one and he knows it

Just like Khudobin has shown, you're not getting the player that was here 3 years ago.

 

[pkunit]

Just like Khudobin has shown, you're not getting the player that was here 3 years ago.

Khudobin was never elite. Iggy has one last crack at it while Boston is searching for an identity. Hopefully leadership qualities will rub off!
Hayes for iginla!

 

[ashnathan]

Khudobin was never elite. Iggy has one last crack at it while Boston is searching for an identity. Hopefully leadership qualities will rub off!

Leadership is so god damn overblown within the Bruins community. If this team, with Chara, Bergeron, Krejci Marchand and Backes is lacking leadership then ill run naked down the highway. Iginla we don't need. He's finished.

 

[pkunit]

Leadership is so god damn overblown within the Bruins community. If this team, with Chara, Bergeron, Krejci Marchand and Backes is lacking leadership then ill run naked down the highway. Iginla we don't need. He's finished.

Leadership is overstated? Iginla is a Hall of fame player who's never won. The young guys should be exposed to his pain. As I said he owes us one and would be motivated

 

[Pia8988]

Leadership is overstated? Iginla is a Hall of fame player who's never won. The young guys should be exposed to his pain. As I said he owes us one and would be motivated

what? Nobody is owed anything. Seems to be a trend with you.

 

[SpeedyLazaro]

what? Nobody is owed anything. Seems to be a trend with you.

Agreed... iginla doesn't owe us or anyone jack squat

He owes it to himself to make the right decision while he spins the trade deadline and off-season wheel of Stanley

 

[Absurdity]

Bruins had scout(s) at the Avs-Ducks game on Tuesday:
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=127592833&postcount=891

 

[C77]

I am thinking Killorn might be a cap casualty for the Lightning this offseason.

Wouldn't be a bad pickup if the Bruins left-wings in the AHL aren't ready for full-time duty.

 

[ashnathan]

Leadership is overstated? Iginla is a Hall of fame player who's never won. The young guys should be exposed to his pain. As I said he owes us one and would be motivated

What does he owe us? The entire team played like **** against the Habs not just him.

 

[zaYG]

Tampa fans seem to be willing to sell in the trade forum.

I'd be willing to give good value for Stralman and Palat.

I'm thinking:

Spooner
1st/Zboril

For Palat

Maybe Bruins add another prospect or pick?

 

[EverettMike]

Because whether you move him now or next year they both result in improving the team "later." The only difference is that moving now also makes you worse now.

Again, what difference does it make? If we've got tons of young players coming onto the roster then by definition we'll have the cap space to not worry about DK's $7m. I also think it's better for young players to have established players in front of them. Like they do in CHI or DET did back in the day. If they're LEGIT, like Pasta or Carlo they'll rise quickly, and if they're not they'll be worked in slowly like Vatrano and Colin Miller. Either way, I don't see the downside to giving them a good supporting cast to learn from.

So ultimately you're worried that the contract will be untradeable in two years? Well, that I can understand. I'm basing my opinion on the idea that he wouldn't be worth much right now because his numbers are down. I'm also basing my opinion that he'd be more tradeable next year on the idea that he'll be healthy this summer and have a better season. I think production, more than anything, drives value. I admit I'm gambling and could be wrong.

Fair point, but it's unlikely your're going to sign someone in free agency and come out ahead of Krejci's 4 years at $7m. Trade? Fair point. But you know... Sweeney and trades.

So it sounds like all we really disagree on is whether or not he has enough value right now to be worth trading, and whether or not he will be tradeable in two years.

Those are reasonable disagreements to me.

 

[ODAAT]

I am thinking Killorn might be a cap casualty for the Lightning this offseason.

Wouldn't be a bad pickup if the Bruins left-wings in the AHL aren't ready for full-time duty.

I like him, still not sure he`s precisely what this team needs up front as he`s not a big time goal scorer but he`s an ideal 3rd line winger, who can spot in on the 2nd and not look terribly out of place IMO

 

[bp13]

Because whether you move him now or next year they both result in improving the team "later." The only difference is that moving now also makes you worse now.



....

Why?

If you moved him to a team with a spare veteran top 4 dman, with maybe small pieces added in either direction if cap is an issue, why are you necessarily net worse? We've seen countless examples of teams trading the supposedly better player but ending up playing better as a result.

For example, if Boston and StL worked out a deal and essentially the main pieces were Shattenkirk and Krejci (regardless of whether Krejci remained in StL), I think Boston could end up better. It's certainly not knowable either way.

 

[bp13]

This won't go over well but I'm leaning towards iggy. He will be easily had and on an expiring contract. Nothing to lose and is another sniper alongside Pastrnak Vatrano. I know he's old blabla but he would come in motivated and can play up and down the lineup. He owes us one and he knows it

Good Lord.

Here are my arguments against:

1. Why add a vet on a last push (actually already cooked) when your team is close to dead? Is this to kill the team officially? Or is this based on the time-failed idea that he'll rejuvenate himself and his new team?
2. On a team already loaded with supposed leaders and yet still wildly inconsistent and seemingly rudderless from a leadership standpoint, why in the world would we want to add yet another veteran, underperforming leader? Who's next, Mark Messier?
3. No. Just no. He's cooked and he'd be stealing a spot from a better, younger player almost regardless of who that player is (Jimmy Hayes being the only exception).

Honestly, adding Iginla is like the only move left in Neely's "big, slow and mediocre on the wing" campaign. It's such a terrible idea it almost has to happen. That would be Boston Bruins in a nutshell. Bring back Iginla to float on RW and Harry Sinden as GM. Screw it. Let's go full on big top circus.

 

[Absurdity]

Here is Bergevin talking about Duchene. However, what's a little more interesting are his comments about top 6 centers: http://www.fanragsports.com/nhl/dreger-know-canadiens-bergevin-interest-duchene/

“I think you look around the league, there’s only a few teams that don’t need centermen,†said Bergevin January 17. “I would say 80 percent of the teams would love to get another centerman… they’re not available. If they ever are, there’s a reason why they are. They’re either at the end of their rope, or the money doesn’t work. But you don’t see centermen moving, that’s one [Duchene]."

In my opinion, it may look like there may be a market for Krejci after all.

 

[Ratty]

Here is Bergevin talking about Duchene. However, what's a little more interesting are his comments about top 6 centers: http://www.fanragsports.com/nhl/dreger-know-canadiens-bergevin-interest-duchene/

In my opinion, it may look like there may be a market for Krejci after all.

Possibly. But the article you quote says two of the factors militating against such trades are age and money. Krejci definitely fits the latter and may be approaching the former.

 

[BruinDust]

Here is Bergevin talking about Duchene. However, what's a little more interesting are his comments about top 6 centers: http://www.fanragsports.com/nhl/dreger-know-canadiens-bergevin-interest-duchene/

In my opinion, it may look like there may be a market for Krejci after all.

Who ever said there was no market for the guy?

But are you getting a comparable center or D-man back? Probably not.

So your looking a return of a winger, or futures.

 

[wintersej]

Here is Bergevin talking about Duchene. However, what's a little more interesting are his comments about top 6 centers: http://www.fanragsports.com/nhl/dreger-know-canadiens-bergevin-interest-duchene/

In my opinion, it may look like there may be a market for Krejci after all.

There would be plenty of market for Krejci... if he wanted to waive his NMC...

Of course, then the Bruins would be the one on the market for a low end #1/high end #2 C like Krejci to pair with Bergeron.

 

[Ratty]

Who ever said there was no market for the guy?

But are you getting a comparable center or D-man back? Probably not.

So your looking a return of a winger, or futures.

....and, depending on the return, salary cap relief.

 

[BruinDust]

....and, depending on the return, salary cap relief.

True.

But salary cap relief is only really an asset if they use it to do something else.

 

[Absurdity]

Possibly. But the article you quote says two of the factors militating against such trades are age and money. Krejci definitely fits the latter and may be approaching the former.

True, but I feel if many teams out there are looking to add Duchene, $6M in cap space, I don't see it unreasonable for teams wanting to add someone like Krejci who is in his prime. The problem though, as you mentioned, is his age.

Who ever said there was no market for the guy?

But are you getting a comparable center or D-man back? Probably not.

So your looking a return of a winger, or futures.

I should have used the word suitors instead of market. In my opinion, I only thought there would be about 2-3 teams having any interest in Krejci, and when you factor in his NMC, the probability Krejci doesn't wave and finishes his current contract in Boston is very high. If the teams that missed out on Duchene are still looking for a top 6 center, there is a better chance Krejci waives his NMC based on the number of suitors.

I 100% agree with you about the return. Alone, I think Krejci returns a roster player due to cap reasons and futures. Something similar to the Kesler deal. In my opinion, the only way the Bruins can maximize Krejci's value to a team is to package a prospect(s) and pick(s) to get that comparable defenseman back in return if that is what they want to add.

This conversation is moot though if Krejci wants to stay in Boston.

There would be plenty of market for Krejci... if he wanted to waive his NMC...

Of course, then the Bruins would be the one on the market for a low end #1/high end #2 C like Krejci to pair with Bergeron.

I think the Bruins would have Bergeron and Backes as their 1-2 if Krejci were traded. Next year I think there is a good chance JFK could develop on the 3rd line and eventually replace Backes as the 2nd line center.

 

[BruinDust]

True, but I feel if many teams out there are looking to add Duchene, $6M in cap space, I don't see it unreasonable for teams wanting to add someone like Krejci who is in his prime. The problem though, as you mentioned, is his age.

I should have used the word suitors instead of market. In my opinion, I only thought there would be about 2-3 teams having any interest in Krejci, and when you factor in his NMC, the probability Krejci doesn't wave and finishes his current contract in Boston is very high. If the teams that missed out on Duchene are still looking for a top 6 center, there is a better chance Krejci waives his NMC based on the number of suitors.

I 100% agree with you about the return. Alone, I think Krejci returns a roster player due to cap reasons and futures. Something similar to the Kesler deal. In my opinion, the only way the Bruins can maximize Krejci's value to a team is to package a prospect(s) and pick(s) to get that comparable defenseman back in return if that is what they want to add.

This conversation is moot though if Krejci wants to stay in Boston.

I think the Bruins would have Bergeron and Backes as their 1-2 if Krejci were traded. Next year I think there is a good chance JFK could develop on the 3rd line at center and eventually replace Backes as the 2nd line center.

Agree, the Kesler deal is a great comparable.

And also agree it's a moot point if he has no interest in leaving.

 

[Greek_physique]

Time to call St.Louis....let's make a deal

 

[Roll 4 Lines]

Leadership is so god damn overblown within the Bruins community. If this team, with Chara, Bergeron, Krejci Marchand and Backes is lacking leadership then ill run naked down the highway. Iginla we don't need. He's finished.

I'm not in favor of adding Iggy (well, even up for Hayes and I'm in!), but the last 3 years, 4 including this one, have shown that the Bruins indeed lack leadership.

 

[Kaoz]

Krejci for Stone, Gryba, and a 1st.

Get er done Chia.