Proposal: All Bruins trade rumors/proposals: 16/17 Part V
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ON3M4N
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For comp reasons I just eliminated anyone who isn't a center. From there I have this for players I'd rather have (alos took out Bergy cause well we already have him)
O’Reilly - solid all-around player and still only 25yr old. A 1-2 punch in the dot of he and Bergy would terrorize teams
Stastny - Simply because he's a UFA 3 years before Krejci is. Wont give you the offensive numbers, but again another good faceoff guy. Honestly I'm 50/50 on this one.
Kesler - Less cap hit, solid two-way winger. Like O'Reilly he'd make a great 1-2 w/ Bergeron
Thornton - UFA after this season and even at 36-37, he's still getting it done.
Koivu - UFA after next season, good face-off/possession numbers. Gives a similar production to Krejci.
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I think Krejci would return something similar to what Vancouver got for Kesler (roster player, prospect, pick) if the Bruins don't look to trade him for a top 4D for example. The question is, how many teams would want Krejci's services, and would Krejci waive to any of the team(s) willing to trade for him?
Regardless, what the Bruins can't do is fork over their prospects to get Krejci a winger making $5M+ given the position they are currently in as a team. The Bruins have to decide whether Krejci is a solution to their second line or not. If they believe Krejci is here for the long run, Bjork and Senyshyn are right around the corner so hopefully we'll get to see a productive 2nd line again.
Regardless, what the Bruins can't do is fork over their prospects to get Krejci a winger making $5M+ given the position they are currently in as a team. The Bruins have to decide whether Krejci is a solution to their second line or not. If they believe Krejci is here for the long run, Bjork and Senyshyn are right around the corner so hopefully we'll get to see a productive 2nd line again.
PlayMakers
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Folks are talking about Krejci like he hasn't done well in years.
LAST YEAR he posted the second highest point per game of his career.
He's been on again/off again this year but my impression is that that's a function of off-season surgery and his really slow start. Take out (the slow start) and he's around .66 ppg which he's done a few times in his career. I also don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that his line not having a quality LW is a factor as well. He's never been a player that played "fast" or even a player that carried his line mates, like Crosby can. He's always been at his best with 2 good wingers and a true "line" that played off each other. That's what he needs to be his best. Maybe that's not good enough for some, I get that... but it's not really a new development
Fwiw, I'd be in favor a Krejci deal. I think he's one of the old dogs who's not quite comfortable with the changes to the system. They want to play fast and he wants to slow it down. He's one of the few players on the team that still looks for the traditional cycle play, only nobody has been there to pick up on it.
That said, I'm not sure they deal him now. His value can't be very high, given his uneven season and the fact he has 4 years left on his deal. Plus who's going to be the 2C? We don't even have a 3C right now. I'd think they want someone dependable in that role for one more year so they can start JFK as the 3C next year.
In a few years, Krejci's NMC becomes a 'Limited-NMC' where he has to name half the teams in the league he'd accept a trade to, so I'd think a more likely trade date would be somewhere between the time it takes to get JFK on the team but before Krejci's NMC expands, so that DK46 can still have a significant say in where he goes.
That timeline would also allow them to 'go for it' now, which is what I expect they're going to do.
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ON3M4N
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This is what I was going for earlier in my discussion about Krejci. Perfectly written
Great. We just need to figure out what "it" is. Traditionally "it" would be the Stanley Cup, but obviously that's not applicable here. We need a new "it". Adams Division champ maybe? Most players over 32 with multi-year deals and NTC's? Let's get a poll together.
EverettMike
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I'd move Kejci right now, but in the Branch Rickey method of a year too early rather than a year too late.
I don't think he sucks or anything, I just worry about that contract down the line. I don't see them winning the cup this year or next, so do it now.
I don't think he sucks or anything, I just worry about that contract down the line. I don't see them winning the cup this year or next, so do it now.
I agree with this logic. It's also the exact logic that should have been applied the first time someone asked "Should we sign David Backes?"
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I meant "it" as in make the playoffs.Why? What's the advantage to being worse right now?
The draft this year is a crap shoot. McKenzie said every player from #3 to 21 got top10 votes. So you gain no advantage there.
It puts all sorts of pressure on JFK to make the jump and be an impact player right away. I'd much rather he come in as a role player and find his own way.
It can't be better for the young players to play meaningless games. Playing games that matter, even if they ultimately fail and miss the playoffs, should do more for their development than treating the stretch like a beer league.
If you believe Krejci's actually a good player, wouldn't you rather get more than less for him?
EverettMike
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Why assume I'd move him to make us worse now, when I'm worried about being good later?
I don't advocate moving him now (or after last season like I did) in an attempt to bottom out this year, but rather so that when all of these prospects we are banking on are ready to contribute in a meaningful way we aren't still paying someone 7 million when he isn't nearly worth that.
Like I said, it's the Branch Rickey theory. I'm very worried about the player/contract in two years, and two years from now is when I'm targeting the Bruins to be a lot better.
You can also use the cap savings for an NHL player you trade for or sign as a FA. It doesn't have to fall on someone like JFK.
EverettMike
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Also, "move him" doesn't mean "give him away."
Part of the reason you move a guy a year too early is you still get good value.
Part of the reason you move a guy a year too early is you still get good value.
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Why? What's the advantage to being worse right now?
The draft this year is a crap shoot. McKenzie said every player from #3 to 21 got top10 votes. So you gain no advantage there.
It puts all sorts of pressure on JFK to make the jump and be an impact player right away. I'd much rather he come in as a role player and find his own way.
It can't be better for the young players to play meaningless games. Playing games that matter, even if they ultimately fail and miss the playoffs, should do more for their development than treating the stretch like a beer league.
If you believe Krejci's actually a good player, wouldn't you rather get more than less for him?
Honest question, do you think Krejci's value 2 years ago was worth more than it is now? Do you think his value will go up or down in 2 more years?
The right deal, I move Krejci. From what I've seen this season, yes, I understand he's recouped from an injury, but he's not the difference-maker, and I don't think he alone makes this team a playoff team or not. I cut bait, send him to a team that could possibly do some damage in the playoffs and get something in return. I think the Kesler example is a good instance for comparison.
The problem right now, is finding a team with cap space, that's a contender that could add him. Otherwise it's an off-season move. And the ever pressing NMC (or was it NTC?), that limits (or completely denies us) options to move him.
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YES - Gaudreau
YES - Bergeron
YES - O’Reilly
YES - Kesler, slightly lower cap hit, better current output, and similar history.
MAYBE - Koivu, his contract is almost up for similar current output
MAYBE - Thornton, due to his contract being almost up.
MAYBE - Stastny, his contract is almost up for similar current output
HM - Spezza
NO - Rick Nash
NO - Parise
NO - Sedin
NO - Sedin
NO - Ryan
Out of the list, I'd take at least 4 over him, and 1 of them we already have.
There are 3 maybes, which are mostly being consider due to contract terms are less frightening than Krejci's. Koivu (end of 2018), Thornton, and Stastny (end of 2018) are expiring within the end of next season or sooner.
I'd consider him close to Jason Spezza, BUT Spezza's contract is shorter, so I'll give him an honorable mention. I'd probably take Krejci over him, but they are comparables.
So Krejci is in the middle of the road for that list. But as a team, do you think he's going to be THE candidate to be here when this team cycles back around to competitiveness? I don't.
If we can move him to make the team better later, I do it every day. This current team in 2017, isn't good enough to fortify short term. Krejci is a NOW player, that is only going to decline.
I don't think Krejci is going to be worth more in the future than he is today, and even if I was inclined to think that way based on him potentially being injured/returning to form now, he's been either injured or returning to form about 50% of the last 4 years anyway. Why assume that trend won't continue?
I'm with EverettMike and have been on that bandwagon for 2 years now. The second a team offers you what a 2nd line center (or close) would be expected to fetch in trade, I do it immediately. And it isn't to get worse, it's to have fewer assets on the decline. If I've got a guy on my books for 4 more years at $7M+, I better have confidence he'll be worth close to that for at least 3 of those years. The only other argument to keeping him is that he holds down a spot I have no logical replacement for in the system, or I'm competing for a Cup. And I'd argue neither of those apply here.
Let's also not underestimate the benefit of changing the mix. The second this management team decided it needed to get heavier with more leadershiop (Beleskey, Backes, Mcquaid, Miller) is the second their swirl down the toilet accelerated. Too many chiefs and not enough indians in that room. Time to start doing something about it.
I'm with EverettMike and have been on that bandwagon for 2 years now. The second a team offers you what a 2nd line center (or close) would be expected to fetch in trade, I do it immediately. And it isn't to get worse, it's to have fewer assets on the decline. If I've got a guy on my books for 4 more years at $7M+, I better have confidence he'll be worth close to that for at least 3 of those years. The only other argument to keeping him is that he holds down a spot I have no logical replacement for in the system, or I'm competing for a Cup. And I'd argue neither of those apply here.
Let's also not underestimate the benefit of changing the mix. The second this management team decided it needed to get heavier with more leadershiop (Beleskey, Backes, Mcquaid, Miller) is the second their swirl down the toilet accelerated. Too many chiefs and not enough indians in that room. Time to start doing something about it.
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If it was for a 4th rd pick or worse I would Anything more nope I am hoping for a D man.
PlayMakers
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Because whether you move him now or next year they both result in improving the team "later." The only difference is that moving now also makes you worse now.
Again, what difference does it make? If we've got tons of young players coming onto the roster then by definition we'll have the cap space to not worry about DK's $7m. I also think it's better for young players to have established players in front of them. Like they do in CHI or DET did back in the day. If they're LEGIT, like Pasta or Carlo they'll rise quickly, and if they're not they'll be worked in slowly like Vatrano and Colin Miller. Either way, I don't see the downside to giving them a good supporting cast to learn from.
So ultimately you're worried that the contract will be untradeable in two years? Well, that I can understand. I'm basing my opinion on the idea that he wouldn't be worth much right now because his numbers are down. I'm also basing my opinion that he'd be more tradeable next year on the idea that he'll be healthy this summer and have a better season. I think production, more than anything, drives value. I admit I'm gambling and could be wrong.
Fair point, but it's unlikely your're going to sign someone in free agency and come out ahead of Krejci's 4 years at $7m. Trade? Fair point. But you know... Sweeney and trades.
As long as it didn't cost much . Jägr would be pretty useless playing on lines 3 or 4 . If they were going to put him with Krejci , why not ? It was a pretty fun time when Jagr was on the Bruins .
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I think that's a bit of a loaded question WTB. It implies that older = less value, but I think value has as much to do with production as age. I think Krejci was worth more last year at 29 putting up his second best ppg (.88) of his career than when he was 28 putting up .66 ppg.
Anybody dealing for Krejci is taking on that contract from 31-35. This year, next, doesn't matter, those are the years you're getting. To me, I'd want to see him playing well and looking good before I took on those years. The better he looks the more I give up. And the worse he looks the less you get.
Fwiw, I don't think there's anyway you get a Kesler return based on the season he's had. Now, that could change if he keeps playing like he did tonight, but if you had to deal him before the all-star break I don't think you get a "fair" return.
bearcountry17
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The guy scored 2 goals for the Bruins in 33 games. He wasn't a great fit then and still isn't now.
BostonBob
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This won't go over well but I'm leaning towards iggy. He will be easily had and on an expiring contract. Nothing to lose and is another sniper alongside Pastrnak Vatrano. I know he's old blabla but he would come in motivated and can play up and down the lineup. He owes us one and he knows it
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