All Bruins Trade Proposals/Rumours XI

[VanIsle]

At $2.25 next year, may not be a bad back-up option

$2,250,000 paid to Halak
$1,500,000 paid to Dipietro

$3.75 million to goalies that aren't even playing, wowza!

 

[GloryDaze4877]

I do.

Spooner is better in every level. I'm not willing to let someone spend a season running the third line when they can't stick as a winger.

Let him blown the barn doors off the AHL like Vatrano did before giving him a spot on the third line.

Czarnik is one of Miami's all-time leading SHG guys and is excellent on the PK. The difference between he and Spooner and Grffith is that Czarnik can actually play some defense and is capable of playing/contributing on your 4th line.

If only other GMs in the NHL valued the Bruins prospects the way HF and Sweeney did. I'm really optimistic about this group but actually visiting other teams boards and reading about their prospects makes me realize Boston is barely in the top third in prospect potential.

Articles I have read in the past 6-9 months have Boston's farm system in the Top 10. This example is from the Hockey Writers, who have them 10th, and that was before the development of Frederic into one of the NCAA's best freshman and without a mention of Bjork:

http://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-prospect-pools-the-complete-ranking/

I would say the B's are pretty squarely in the top third.

 

[Coach Parker]

Well that is suppose to be Sweeney's strong point.He cannot make good trades and if what you say is true were cooked .lol

He's improved it, no doubt from what it was before. You're correct on his poor trades to date.

Once again, we are looking at this one nagging point someone told me almost a year ago that still rings true:

Has Sweeney gone 'HF' and fallen in love with his prospects to the point that he won't move any?

Perhaps that is the way to run a successful franchise. To let the real talent develop and let the others wither or reduce value until they are AHLers or unqualified as RFAs?

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Actually, I'd argue that these players were 'overachieving' in their contract years playing minutes on poor teams that inflated their stats.

Once they came to Boston and were tasked with fulfilling those top roles they faltered and their career and actual play was revealed to be bottom pairing, 3rd line players.

Boston bought high on them and once they were moved their production was what it was before and is now.

Their performance over the first 3/4 of the season says otherwise, and doesn't change the fact that when the deals were made they were fulfilling the same responsibilities with their prior clubs they were asked to with the Bruins.

But you keep right on going with your "plug" theory, because it sounds much better than the truth.



p.s. Stempniak's career numbers are .53 ppg scoring (so roughly 45 pts a season) and he averages 16 min per game. That's closer to Top 6 than Top 9

 

[Coach Parker]

Czarnik is one of Miami's all-time leading SHG guys and is excellent on the PK. The difference between he and Spooner and Grffith is that Czarnik can actually play some defense and is capable of playing/contributing on your 4th line.






Articles I have read in the past 6-9 months have Boston's farm system in the Top 10. This example is from the Hockey Writers, who have them 10th, and that was before the development of Frederic into one of the NCAA's best freshman and without a mention of Bjork:

http://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-prospect-pools-the-complete-ranking/

I would say the B's are pretty squarely in the top third.

10th is a common spot which is barely in the top third, like I stated. Again, much improvement from 20th to 10th but it isn't as high as we'd hope when compared across the NHL.

The way I keep hearing about everyone who is 'untouchable' it seems like we have an easy top 3 in the NHL.

I assume the most difficult job in the NHL is realizing the maximum potential of your prospects and moving them when they are 'ripe' as oppose to letting them diminish in value.

 

[Ten Thousand Hours]

$2,250,000 paid to Halak
$1,500,000 paid to Dipietro

$3.75 million to goalies that aren't even playing, wowza!

Wow, only $50k short of being able to afford a 2 goal scorer!

 

[Coach Parker]

Their performance over the first 3/4 of the season says otherwise, and doesn't change the fact that when the deals were made they were fulfilling the same responsibilities with their prior clubs they were asked to with the Bruins.

But you keep right on going with your "plug" theory, because it sounds much better than the truth.

GD, was Stempniak a top 6 the year before? Liles a top 4 the year before?

They went full VRBATA on a contract year; played on a poor team in a prime slot and put up numbers. Then they were moved to Boston and did not play up to the role they were traded for.

It's not a narrative, it's the truth. 3/4 of the season means that for 20 games they didn't play up to the top six or top four role they were acquired to fill in.

They failed as acquisitions and their prior abilities before their contract year illustrated their actual potential.

Stempniak was NOT a career top six. He was a 60 game top six on a ****-poor team then returned to form on the Bruins.

Same as Liles. It's not a selective narrative. It's a GM buying high on an over-achieving player and then getting burned when they reveal their stripes.

 

[Fonzerelli]

I don't think there will any Bruins deal on a game day. Our deals will happen tomorrow.

 

[LouJersey]

GD, was Stempniak a top 6 the year before? Liles a top 4 the year before?

They went full VRBATA on a contract year; played on a poor team in a prime slot and put up numbers. Then they were moved to Boston and did not play up to the role they were traded for.

It's not a narrative, it's the truth. 3/4 of the season means that for 20 games they didn't play up to the top six or top four role they were acquired to fill in.

They failed as acquisitions and their prior abilities before their contract year illustrated their actual potential.

Stempniak was NOT a career top six. He was a 60 game top six on a ****-poor team then returned to form on the Bruins.

Same as Liles. It's not a selective narrative. It's a GM buying high on an over-achieving player and then getting burned when they reveal their stripes.

Not one Bruins deadline player has played up to where he was before that during the regular season. Remember how long it took Kelly and Peverley? Kaberle?

I wonder how the new ones will do now that Claude's version of rod hockey is gone and players are actually encouraged to be creative.

 

[BruinsFanMike82]

Brian Compton thinks Halak will go to either Edmonton or Calgary. Could be part of a bigger deal?

https://twitter.com/BComptonNHL

 

[patty59]

I don't think there will any Bruins deal on a game day. Our deals will happen tomorrow.

i don't think there will be any period.

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

Well I don't know about that...

...Bruins could trade Liles to the Bruins.

Knowing the Bruins.

Bruins trade Liles for a 5th round pick.
Bruins trade for Liles equivalent for 2nd round pick.

That's usually how our value in trades goes.

 

[Coach Parker]

Not one Bruins deadline player has played up to where he was before that during the regular season. Remember how long it took Kelly and Peverley? Kaberle?

I wonder how the new ones will do now that Claude's version of rod hockey is gone and players are actually encouraged to be creative.

I'd argue that Kaberle had consistently put up top 4 numbers to merit him being brought in to fill a top four role. And he did.

Kelly was brought in as a career third line center and fufilled that role as well.

Same goes for Peverley and his stats suggesting depth on the third line.

Even with those down-swings after being acquired they were brought in to fill second pairing, third line and third line roles with a lengthy history of playing those roles in the NHL.

Boston brought in a third liner to play with Bergeron and Marchand and failed.
Boston brought in a third pairing to play top pairing minutes and failed.

When I say failed, I mean they didn't produce in their roles, didn't lead the team to wins and the Bruins missed the playoffs as a result.

They plugged in the wrong guys to fill holes they were not accustomed to playing and were over-achieving on subpar teams during their brief stint in a contract year.

 

[RustyBruins72]

i don't think there will be any period.

I agree with this.

 

[bp13]

I don't think there will any Bruins deal on a game day. Our deals will happen tomorrow.

It would seem it's too much for Sweeney to make a trade EVER, let alone on game day.

 

[Coach Parker]

The good news is that it appears Sweeney learned from his mistake last year and isn't going to waste assets on rentals.

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

The good news is that it appears Sweeney learned from his mistake last year and isn't going to waste assets on rentals.

I agree.
As much as I want him to make a deal. Go big or do nothing. None of this tweener BS. No more Stempniak or Liles deals.

 

[DKH]

10th is a common spot which is barely in the top third, like I stated. Again, much improvement from 20th to 10th but it isn't as high as we'd hope when compared across the NHL.

The way I keep hearing about everyone who is 'untouchable' it seems like we have an easy top 3 in the NHL.

I assume the most difficult job in the NHL is realizing the maximum potential of your prospects and moving them when they are 'ripe' as oppose to letting them diminish in value.

Bruins have an outstanding prospect group to think otherwise shows the person saying doesn't know **** to me and I pretty much skip over there comments

 

[GloryDaze4877]

GD, was Stempniak a top 6 the year before? Liles a top 4 the year before?

They went full VRBATA on a contract year; played on a poor team in a prime slot and put up numbers. Then they were moved to Boston and did not play up to the role they were traded for.

It's not a narrative, it's the truth. 3/4 of the season means that for 20 games they didn't play up to the top six or top four role they were acquired to fill in.

They failed as acquisitions and their prior abilities before their contract year illustrated their actual potential.

Stempniak was NOT a career top six. He was a 60 game top six on a ****-poor team then returned to form on the Bruins.

Same as Liles. It's not a selective narrative. It's a GM buying high on an over-achieving player and then getting burned when they reveal their stripes.

I posted Stempniak's numbers over his 850 game career. He has averaged 40-45 points per 82 game season and 16 minutes per game.

Not sure what else you want me to tell you?

 

[Coach Parker]

Bruins have an outstanding prospect group to think otherwise shows the person saying doesn't know **** to me and I pretty much skip over there comments

SO you think top 3?

Why?

Everything points to top 10 and closer to 10 than 1.

 

[BruinsFanMike82]

 

[Greek_physique]

I think Flames want him because he'd be there starter next year...that makes sense.

For Boston, that's a big pass for me....good goalie, just way too much invested in goalies.

 

[Fonzerelli]

Commodore posted yesterday that Halak was headed to Edmonton

 

[Coach Parker]

I posted Stempniak's numbers over his 850 game career. He has averaged 40-45 points per 82 game season and 16 minutes per game.

Not sure what else you want me to tell you?

Why don't we look at the last five years as oppose to an entire career. Otherwise, Iginla is still a top six in the NHL as well and the list goes on.

2011-2012: 28 points
2012-2013: 32 points
2013-2014: 34 points
2014-2015: 28 points
*****UFA CONTACT YEAR UPCOMING*****
2015-2016: 41 points before Bruins acquired
2015-2016 (ON BRUINS): 10 Points

That is be definition a third line player producing 3rd line minutes and points in the NHL. A third liner brought in as a rental to play top six minutes and couldn't produce under the pressure to make the playoffs in Boston.

But if they're acquiring guys now based on their stats from before the 2011 Cup run and not on what they have done the last half decade then they should call up Recchi, Ryder, Iginla and fill that top six hole.

Sweeney gambled on Stempniak and was duped into thinking he was a top six forward and it didn't work.

 

[JAD]

I don't think there will any Bruins deal on a game day. Our deals will happen tomorrow.

Deals?