All Bruins Trade Proposals/Rumours XI

[LouJersey]

Why don't we look at the last five years as oppose to an entire career. Otherwise, Iginla is still a top six in the NHL as well and the list goes on.

2011-2012: 28 points
2012-2013: 32 points
2013-2014: 34 points
2014-2015: 28 points
*****UFA CONTACT YEAR UPCOMING*****
2015-2016: 41 points before Bruins acquired
2015-2016 (ON BRUINS): 10 Points

That is be definition a third line player producing 3rd line minutes and points in the NHL. A third liner brought in as a rental to play top six minutes and couldn't produce under the pressure to make the playoffs in Boston.

But if they're acquiring guys now based on their stats from before the 2011 Cup run and not on what they have done the last half decade then they should call up Recchi, Ryder, Iginla and fill that top six hole.

Sweeney gambled on Stempniak and was duped into thinking he was a top six forward and it didn't work.

Wasn't he replacing top six forward Brett Connolly?

So Stempniak was able to produce with Henrique and Cammy but not Marchand and Bergeron and it had nothing to do with the system he was put into? Interesting take.

 

[DKH]

SO you think top 3?

Why?

Everything points to top 10 and closer to 10 than 1.

I have no idea what number 3, 10, 28 no clue

What I got is how good it is from those that know a heck of a lot more than me about this

 

[Fonzerelli]

Deals?

Hope so. Ideally, one with Colorado and one with Arizona

 

[riverhawkey91]

Not at all interested in trading for Halak, but it is crazy to see how far the Islanders have already come since Wang where they're now willing to retain big money on two different goalies.

 

[robinsonp16]

Hope so. Ideally, one with Colorado and one with Arizona

Especially one with Colorado. I'd love for Donny to gain some confidence by waiting out Sakic and still get Landy. Calls his bluff, gets his guy and doesn't loose Carlo. That's the kind of confidence boost Sweeny needs.

 

[Bruins1993]

Landeskog would put us up there with all the other top teams

 

[Bearclaw]

Landeskog would put us up there with all the other top teams

I just don't see it happening, as much as I'd love to have him in the top 6.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Why don't we look at the last five years as oppose to an entire career. Otherwise, Iginla is still a top six in the NHL as well and the list goes on.

2011-2012: 28 points (in 61 games) .46 ppg
2012-2013: 32 points (in 47 games) .68 ppg
2013-2014: 34 points (in 73 games) .47 ppg
2014-2015: 28 points (in 71 games) .39 ppg
*****UFA CONTACT YEAR UPCOMING*****
2015-2016: 41 points before Bruins acquired (in 63 games) .65 ppg
2015-2016 (ON BRUINS): 10 Points in 19 games...or .53 ppg (his career average)

That is be definition a third line player producing 3rd line minutes and points in the NHL. A third liner brought in as a rental to play top six minutes and couldn't produce under the pressure to make the playoffs in Boston.

But if they're acquiring guys now based on their stats from before the 2011 Cup run and not on what they have done the last half decade then they should call up Recchi, Ryder, Iginla and fill that top six hole.

Sweeney gambled on Stempniak and was duped into thinking he was a top six forward and it didn't work.

I'm sure this is exactly what they are doing.

See the bolded above. Stempniak performed above his career average last year in NJ, but had similar numbers in 2012-13.

This year he's at .47 ppg with CAR.

Regardless of how you want to spin it now, Stempniak was playing a Top 6 role in NJ, and produced to his career average in his short stint in Boston. Whether or not he did this in his UFA year matters little, because he was still in his UFA year while he was in Boston, and was a rental.

 

[Mione134]

Landeskog would put us up there with all the other top teams

It would certainly help us. But it would cost too much. And we need a D upgrade. Say we got him and Faulk. I think that would be a good pickup. But I don't see it happening

 

[BruinDust]

Landeskog would put us up there with all the other top teams

If by there you mean up against the cap like other top teams, you are right.

 

[Coach Parker]

I have no idea what number 3, 10, 28 no clue

What I got is how good it is from those that know a heck of a lot more than me about this

Same!

I'm not saying anything negative here at all about the Bruins prospect system. It's been the bright spot during these dark years of purgatory (especially when you see how he has managed to pull 2nd and 3rd round gems) and the more I read up on other teams the more I feel good about the Bruins system.

But there are guys like us and guys on other boards regularly updating their fans on the progress of their players and the optimism there.

I looked at Ottawa and saw them move their 'JFK' (as I knew little about Dahlen) and keep their Chabot (McAvoy), White and Brown. That's a pretty strong system of guys we tend to forget about after the draft.

Again, the more I read around and harass people who scout for NHL teams the better I feel about the Bruins and think we could argue that they are 5-6 in the entire league now if the players continue to progress (Jets, Senators, Ducks, Flyers, Buffalo, Arizona, Bruins) and I'm not including the Leafs guys already in the NHL I think those are the top 7 in no particular order.

Where the Bruins don't have a lot of 'wow' elite prospects it seems a lot of 'B's are turning into B+'s and A-'s as the year progresses.

 

[Coach Parker]

I'm sure this is exactly what they are doing.

See the bolded above. Stempniak performed above his career average last year in NJ, but had similar numbers in 2012-13.

This year he's at .47 ppg with CAR.

Regardless of how you want to spin it now, Stempniak was playing a Top 6 role in NJ, and produced to his career average in his short stint in Boston. Whether or not he did this in his UFA year matters little, because he was still in his UFA year while he was in Boston, and was a rental.

You value .ppg much higher than I do, so we disagree. I look at what points he actually put up in the NHL and also the impact of him being out, suspended, injured or any other reason why the team only got the actual points they did out of him.

They got 3rd line points out of him. All teams the last half decade did. Whether he is an injury prone 2nd liner or a producing 3rd liner still produces the same results for the team acquiring him; third line points.

Right now at this minute, 4 of the 6 Bruins top six have already produced more points than what he put up the last five years (Marchand, Pastrnak, Bergeron, Krejci) with 20 games to go. Those are top six players.

The other two (Cehlarik and Backes) either just joined the Bruins and some would argue that Backes has underperformed to date, while others will cite a slow start on a new team as the reasoning.

 

[DKH]

Same!

I'm not saying anything negative here at all about the Bruins prospect system. It's been the bright spot during these dark years of purgatory (especially when you see how he has managed to pull 2nd and 3rd round gems) and the more I read up on other teams the more I feel good about the Bruins system.

But there are guys like us and guys on other boards regularly updating their fans on the progress of their players and the optimism there.

I looked at Ottawa and saw them move their 'JFK' (as I knew little about Dahlen) and keep their Chabot (McAvoy), White and Brown. That's a pretty strong system of guys we tend to forget about after the draft.

Again, the more I read around and harass people who scout for NHL teams the better I feel about the Bruins and think we could argue that they are 5-6 in the entire league now if the players continue to progress (Jets, Senators, Ducks, Flyers, Buffalo, Arizona, Bruins) and I'm not including the Leafs guys already in the NHL I think those are the top 7 in no particular order.

Where the Bruins don't have a lot of 'wow' elite prospects it seems a lot of 'B's are turning into B+'s and A-'s as the year progresses.

If they send Pastrnak to the AHL he becomes an elite prospect

 

[Coach Parker]

Wasn't he replacing top six forward Brett Connolly?

So Stempniak was able to produce with Henrique and Cammy but not Marchand and Bergeron and it had nothing to do with the system he was put into? Interesting take.

WBC8, do you believe that the last five years Lee Stempniak has been a top six player in the NHL and that the Bruins system failed to capitalize on his skills?

 

[Fonzerelli]

It's only Ecklund, but rumours are rumours

 

[BruinsFanMike82]

Saw this on twitter. I posted a version of this the other day, but here is the most current update (likely missing some info, but will give a decent idea of scouting trends for the month of February)

Bruins games have been scouted by:
Sabres - 6 times
Stars - 6 times
Flames - 5 times
Flyers - 5 times
Avalanche - 4 times (I believe this is actually at least 5)
Devils - 4 times
Canucks - 4 times

Bruins have scouted games involving:
Avalanche - 3 times (I believe this should be higher)
Stars - 3 times
Blue Jackets - 3 times

https://twitter.com/CHMarcRome

 

[Coach Parker]

If they send Pastrnak to the AHL he becomes an elite prospect

Well in that case then Boston does drop down to 10 area because the Leafs immediatly and easily surpass them with their young talent. Add them to the list as well as Columbus and now you have Boston right in that 8-10 range.

Nothing wrong with that at all and it's much better than where the Bruins started when Chiarelli exited.

 

[Fonzerelli]

Bruins have scouted games involving:
Avalanche - 3 times (I believe this should be higher)
Stars - 3 times
Blue Jackets - 3 times

Do we know which teams the Blue Jackets and Stars were playing when we scouted them? Perhaps we were there looking at the opposition ...

 

[DKH]

Last I looked the Bruins have the hard part done - first line caliber RW & LW

They won a Cup with Lucic & Horton

There second line had a rookie in Marchand a 43 year old in Recchi and an 18 year old in Seguin coming

Not exactly the 72 Russian Red Army

Call me crazy but I'm kind of happy with 88 & 63 and the rest is much easier to get

 

[RustyBruins72]

I wish Don would just hold a press conference today and say "The prices are too high and the Bruins won't be making any deals".

It would bring my level of productivity at work up significantly the next day and a half.

 

[ranold26]

If we get Halak, I'm guessing a "Halak, Hayes and a 2nd" trade proposal meme will be born

 

[Coach Parker]

Last I looked the Bruins have the hard part done - first line caliber RW & LW

They won a Cup with Lucic & Horton

There second line had a rookie in Marchand a 43 year old in Recchi and an 18 year old in Seguin coming

Not exactly the 72 Russian Red Army

Call me crazy but I'm kind of happy with 88 & 63 and the rest is much easier to get

That third line also stole the 1st round against Montreal (cheese-grater Kelly, Peverley and Ryder). Awesome depth.

 

[DKH]

Well in that case then Boston does drop down to 10 area because the Leafs immediatly and easily surpass them with their young talent. Add them to the list as well as Columbus and now you have Boston right in that 8-10 range.

Nothing wrong with that at all and it's much better than where the Bruins started when Chiarelli exited.

Pierre McGuire said in a NHL broadcast they were 2 but how would he know more than us - kidding

It doesn't matter in the end- the Twins had Buxton 1 & Sano 4 in baseball America and Mookie Betts 73 and today Boston would laugh if the Twins offered both for the Mookster

 

[BruinsFanMike82]

Do we know which teams the Blue Jackets and Stars were playing when we scouted them? Perhaps we were there looking at the opposition ...

This could be true. In theory, the person who created that chart marked the scout(s) down for both teams involved in the game(s.)

 

[SPV]

I wish Don would just hold a press conference today and say "The prices are too high and the Bruins won't be making any deals".

It would bring my level of productivity at work up significantly the next day and a half.

I feel the same way. Thankfully my son has a hockey clinic tomorrow morning, so I won't be in to work until noon. Updates on the phone, but at least not constantly hitting refresh on the browser for 4 hours!!!