All Bruins Trade Proposals/Rumours XI

[Coach Parker]

Craig Button is considered a bit of a joke here in Canada, nobody that I know of takes anything he says seriously.

I don't know about that. He gets a lot of ears regarding the draft prospects on TSN. I don't think he is any higher or lower than Maguire.

 

[JAD]

Sorry link will not stick so removed it but Murphy reporting it cause I just read it ..It says reports are Bruins are fielding offers for him.

Jimmy Murphy reporting Hawks and Kings want Chara

Yeah, fielding offers ...

"Hey, Don, Chicago is on the phone"
"Don here, how can I help you?
Chara? What are you offering?"
(Sighs, eyes roll, shakes head)
"Let us think about it. If we're interested we'll get back to you."
Click.

 

[BruinsFanMike82]

 

[bp13]

Yeah, fielding offers ...

"Hey, Don, Chicago is on the phone"
"Don here, how can I help you?
Chara? What are you offering?"
(Sighs, eyes roll, shakes head)
"Let us think about it. If we're interested we'll get back to you."
Click.

I bet he'd get a very good prospect and a 1st rounder, OR he'd get a decent young player for Chara. And I'd be happy with that, preferably the latter.

 

[Fonzerelli]

I don't know about that. He gets a lot of ears regarding the draft prospects on TSN. I don't think he is any higher or lower than Maguire.

I've long considered him an idiot. In fact, I don't know of anyone in hockey circles out here that doesn't consider him an idiot. We still read his Button list, much in the same way we always open read our fortune cookie at Chinese restaraunts

 

[DKH]

I just need somebody to explain how this shakes out in real life. Dan you take a rosy view on these things so I'll task you...how does this all play out?

If we assume a good % of these golden prospects actually do pan out and your next great team includes McAvoy, Carlo and one other from that list in the top 4, when is that? What's a safe estimate for a dman to mature in this league? 3-4 years?

And up front, how long until guys like JFK, Gabriel, Senyshyn, Donato, etc. are good NHL players? 2-3 years at a minimum for a few, more for the others? So how does this play out? The prospects form a decent core in like 3-4 years. Do we still think Bergeron and Krejci are still high-end players? What about Rask? Chara's gone right?

I don't see how it works out. I need someone to tell me whether Sweeney's plan is to cut the development time on all of his prospects, or somehow stop the aging process for our veterans. Or is the plan to simply forget about the careers of Chara, Krejci and likely Bergeron and instead plan to compete for Cups in like 5-6 years? Did Sweeney take office with an 8 year plan?

FORWARDS

Two elite first line scoring wingers complete the hard part

Best 200 foot center in game - other quality pieces

Several top prospects- JFK Gabrielle DeBrusk Senyshyn Bjork Heinen Frederic Donato Vatrano

Outlook- when you got Pasta and Marchy your in a great spot

DEFENSE

Carlo and Krug are top 4 stock

McAvoy is a blue chip prospect who just turned 19

They have at least 3 other high end prospects (Lindgren Lauzon Zboril) and need to hit less than Tony Gwynn's lifetime average to be successful

Colin Miller is 23-24 and showing he can play; Rob O'Gara has been very strong in Providence and at worst case looks like a solid bottom pair but maybe higher

Matt Grzelcyk has done nothing but get better every month

McQuaid & Killer bring the Braun

Oh and Chara has been pretty good

Outlook-

A top 4 with Krug McAvoy Carlo all well under 30 (and even 20) not far fetched

GOAL

Rask- elite

McIntyre- 15-0-1-1

Subban playing very well

Outlook-

Overall

ALL the building blocks are there

ALL the toughest positions to get are there

Scoring winger - check
Second scoring winger - check
Frank Vatrano- check

All around shut down center - check

Shut down D - check
Power Play QB- check

Top 5-10 goalie - check

Prospects- check

not hard to see

 

[Fonzerelli]

So many buyers and sellers playing today. I think it will be quiet on trade front. Tomorrow though, all hell will break loose.

 

[Coach Parker]

I've long considered him an idiot. In fact, I don't know of anyone in hockey circles out here that doesn't consider him an idiot. We still read his Button list, much in the same way we always open read our fortune cookie at Chinese restaraunts

Yeah, same as Maguire, wouldn't you agree?

 

[BruinsFanMike82]

 

[TheBigBadB]

If the plan for this year is to otherwise stand pat, then I think it's very smart to deal Chara. It makes a ton of sense if you work it out.

All signs seem to indicate that Sweeney is either incapable or disinterested in improving this defense via trade or free agency. He's banking on the prospects or he isn't able to close, but either way, it seems like that's where we are headed. Why not get something of real value for Chara then? He's probably got 2-3 years left as a top 4 defender...I bet the Bruins could fetch a 1st and good prospect if they wanted youth, but if they were smart they'd go for a player. Yeah the defense then totally sucks, but so what? They're not playing to contend the next few years anyway and couldn't until the prospects develop. No reason to think Sweeney has the ability or even desire to patch these holes with trades or signings. May as well peal off some of these vets and make the future even brighter.

Donnie is in feel good mode with the team right now. I doubt he changes anything and hopes they keep this up and get Jacobs a playoff a round.

I think, if Chara willing, I would trade with the market right now. The haul could be huge. Make no mistake if he comes in as a number 2 down he instantly makes any team much better on defense. Unfortunately that damages the Bruins playoffs hopes and that will not happen under the "rebuild and playoffs" mantra.

 

[bp13]

FORWARDS

Two elite first line scoring wingers complete the hard part

Best 200 foot center in game - other quality pieces

Several top prospects- JFK Gabrielle DeBrusk Senyshyn Bjork Heinen Frederic Donato Vatrano

Outlook- when you got Pasta and Marchy your in a great spot

DEFENSE

Carlo and Krug are top 4 stock

McAvoy is a blue chip prospect who just turned 19

They have at least 3 other high end prospects (Lindgren Lauzon Zboril) and need to hit less than Tony Gwynn's lifetime average to be successful

Colin Miller is 23-24 and showing he can play; Rob O'Gara has been very strong in Providence and at worst case looks like a solid bottom pair but maybe higher

Matt Grzelcyk has done nothing but get better every month

McQuaid & Killer bring the Braun

Oh and Chara has been pretty good

Outlook-

A top 4 with Krug McAvoy Carlo all well under 30 (and even 20) not far fetched

GOAL

Rask- elite

McIntyre- 15-0-1-1

Subban playing very well

Outlook-

Overall

But you just glossed over my entire post.

When the prospects are good NHL players, Bergeron is not going to be one of the best 200 foot players in the NHL anymore. Rask may not be elite anymore, if you think he is now. Chara will be well into retirement.

I mean when exactly do you think these blue chippers will be good NHL players?

 

[JAD]

I bet he'd get a very good prospect and a 1st rounder, OR he'd get a decent young player for Chara. And I'd be happy with that, preferably the latter.

That's all good and all.
But don't forget Boston has been under a type of mandate to make the playoffs. Any trade that moves Chara out had better vastly improve the team this year. Plus Chara would need to approve it.

 

[Fonzerelli]

Yeah, same as Maguire, wouldn't you agree?

And McKenzie as well. I think all those guys are lousy at ranking/predicting/valuing prospects. If Button was any good at it, he'd still be working in the NHL.

What they do well is gossip, so I do take the 3 of them at their word on behind the scenes gossip. But as far as taking any of them as any authority on prospect ranking. No. Just no.

Of all the media guys, the ONLY one I give any credence to with regards to prospects whatsoever is Pronman

 

[Bruinfanatic]

So many buyers and sellers playing today. I think it will be quiet on trade front. Tomorrow though, all hell will break loose.

Most of big deals happen in days leading up to deadline. Usually minor deals on trade deadline day.

 

[DKH]

But you just glossed over my entire post.

When the prospects are good NHL players, Bergeron is not going to be one of the best 200 foot players in the NHL anymore. Rask may not be elite anymore, if you think he is now. Chara will be well into retirement.

I mean when exactly do you think these blue chippers will be good NHL players?

Says who that Bergeron won't be any good; he's 15 years younger than Jagr right now

How old is that Columbus defense ?

 

[Gee Wally]

any intrest in wideman as a rental d man ?

No.
And Id be shocked if he ever wore a Spoked B again.

 

[Coach Parker]

And McKenzie as well. I think all those guys are lousy at ranking/predicting/valuing prospects. If Button was any good at it, he'd still be working in the NHL.

What they do well is gossip, so I do take the 3 of them at their word on behind the scenes gossip. But as far as taking any of them as any authority on prospect ranking. No. Just no.

Yup, my point. Maguire saying the Bruins are #2 is the same as Button saying they aren't as high. All with a grain of salt and very little taken seriously by scouts or hockey circles. So we are back to looking as fans individually.

Great thread on the prospect board:

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2174639

Asking for every teams top 5 prospects not in the NHL.

 

[Gee Wally]

Maybe, but he has got it out there where all can see it .It makes sense though from a Bruins perspective if they are thinking future .But not if playoffs are part of plan now which I think they are.

It's garbage

 

[bp13]

That's all good and all.
But don't forget Boston has been under a type of mandate to make the playoffs. Any trade that moves Chara out had better vastly improve the team this year. Plus Chara would need to approve it.

Does this feel like a team/GM who really feels pressure to make the playoffs? If he felt pressure to make the playoffs, wouldn't he be adding to this roster, and not just the JAG rental guys? We have Adam McQuaid on our 2nd pairing!!!!

I think the "playoff mandate" was largely PR ******** for the fans benefit. Surely JJ wants to make the playoffs and maybe heads will roll, but instinct tells me if Sweeney really felt he needed to make the playoffs to save his job he wouldn't be sitting on his hands for the last 18 months. He's clearly passive and probably overanalytical by nature, but you have to think he'd be much more aggressive if he felt he needed to save his job.

Don't get me wrong...you're almost certainly right that they'll keep Chara as trading him would take real stones and go against the passive management plan. Also it would cut their playoff chances by a lot. But it could be the best move for them.

 

[Fonzerelli]

Most of big deals happen in days leading up to deadline. Usually minor deals on trade deadline day.

Last year:

Deadline Day - 19 deals, including 7 players on multi-million dollar contracts
Feb 21-28 - 19 deals
Jan 1 - Feb 20 - 12 deals

This year:

Deadline Day ??? (I'm guessing over 20 deals)
Feb 20-28 - 13 deals
Jan 1 - Feb 19 - 14 deals

 

[JAD]

Does this feel like a team/GM who really feels pressure to make the playoffs? If he felt pressure to make the playoffs, wouldn't he be adding to this roster, and not just the JAG rental guys? We have Adam McQuaid on our 2nd pairing!!!!

I think the "playoff mandate" was largely PR ******** for the fans benefit. Surely JJ wants to make the playoffs and maybe heads will roll, but instinct tells me if Sweeney really felt he needed to make the playoffs to save his job he wouldn't be sitting on his hands for the last 18 months.

I never said, nor do I think, Sweeney is fired should they fail to qualify.
I also don't think Sweeney will sacrifice the future for a quick fix. If a significant trade is made it will positively impact the team this year and beyond.
Otherwise, you might see a depth improvement move or two, with less significant assets moving. But I would not be surprised if nothing happens.

 

[Fonzerelli]

Yup, my point. Maguire saying the Bruins are #2 is the same as Button saying they aren't as high. All with a grain of salt and very little taken seriously by scouts or hockey circles. So we are back to looking as fans individually.

Great thread on the prospect board:

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2174639

Asking for every teams top 5 prospects not in the NHL.

Yes. And that's why smart fans weren't on the ledge the past two drafts.

Many over-reacted because they put an unreasonable amount of stock in these media driven lists that don't mean anything. A list made from a consensus of fools is still a foolish list.

 

[Fonzerelli]

Jimmy Hayes trade

So I've been thinking long and hard about a potential Jimmy Hayes trade and then I remembered this ...



Got me thinking that this ride could use a Black and Gold paint job

 

[Coach Parker]

Does this feel like a team/GM who really feels pressure to make the playoffs? If he felt pressure to make the playoffs, wouldn't he be adding to this roster, and not just the JAG rental guys? We have Adam McQuaid on our 2nd pairing!!!!

I think the "playoff mandate" was largely PR ******** for the fans benefit. Surely JJ wants to make the playoffs and maybe heads will roll, but instinct tells me if Sweeney really felt he needed to make the playoffs to save his job he wouldn't be sitting on his hands for the last 18 months. He's clearly passive and probably overanalytical by nature, but you have to think he'd be much more aggressive if he felt he needed to save his job.

Agreed.

Unless the trigger is pulled on Faulk, Landeskog or someone else it appears that the Bruins think that Julien was the problem and that they are now a NHL playoff team.

At this time last year on March 2nd,(had to go back and find this thread)

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2039851

...the Bruins were given 85% odds of making the playoffs. We all know what happened then.

Thankfully, this schedule looks much more forgiving than last years but it still brings to light how quickly those odds turn on a team that isn't a real playoff team.

 

[patty59]

So I've been thinking long and hard about a potential Jimmy Hayes trade and then I remembered this ...



Got me thinking that this ride could use a Black and Gold paint job