Proposal: All Bruins rumors/proposals: 16/17

[JRull86]

Spooner + McAvoy for Trouba

This season: https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/214563
Next season: https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/214557

Pass from a Bruins perspective.

I don't give up McAvoy in a deal like that.

 

[wintersej]

Pass from a Bruins perspective.

I don't give up McAvoy in a deal like that.

I hear that.

The way I look at it is that McAvoy and Trouba have similar ceilings, but Trouba is further along.

Trouba will make more $$$ the next few years, but would you rather be paying Spooner (instead of playing DeBrusk/Vatrano/Heinen in that spot) or be paying Trouba to fix the D sooner into the Krejci/Bergeron/Backes window?

 

[Pia8988]

I hear that.

The way I look at it is that McAvoy and Trouba have similar ceilings, but Trouba is further along.

Trouba will make more $$$ the next few years, but would you rather be paying Spooner (instead of playing DeBrusk/Vatrano/Heinen in that spot) or be paying Trouba to fix the D sooner into the Krejci/Bergeron/Backes window?

Option 3. Pay Neither and move Spooner in a separate deal if he's not a part of the future.

 

[JRull86]

I hear that.

The way I look at it is that McAvoy and Trouba have similar ceilings, but Trouba is further along.

Trouba will make more $$$ the next few years, but would you rather be paying Spooner (instead of playing DeBrusk/Vatrano/Heinen in that spot) or be paying Trouba to fix the D sooner into the Krejci/Bergeron/Backes window?

I get the thinking and rational, but I personally think McAvoy has a higher ceiling. Trouba is a solid player, and is exactly what this team needs, but not at the expense of a McAvoy type, especially is Spooner is being included.

I think the deal that Coach Parker posted a few pages back is far more realistic. 1st, two decent D prospects, and an NHL D man to help this year, while trading Spooner in a separate deal.

 

[bbfan419]

I get the thinking and rational, but I personally think McAvoy has a higher ceiling. Trouba is a solid player, and is exactly what this team needs, but not at the expense of a McAvoy type, especially is Spooner is being included.

I think the deal that Coach Parker posted a few pages back is far more realistic. 1st, two decent D prospects, and an NHL D man to help this year, while trading Spooner in a separate deal.

Agreed McAvoy and Carlo are non starters for me in any deal, we keep them both. Spooner alone is a pretty good trade chip and add to him one of K. Miller / C. Miller / Morrow / O'Gara / Arnesson or Zboril and that is my offer take it or leave it, if they say no fine just move on.

 

[wintersej]

I get being loathe to move McAvoy or Carlo in a deal for Trouba.

That being said, running Trouba, Carlo and McAvoy as your RD for the next 5 years isn't the best use of roster space or cap space either.

If you get Trouba, I don't see how keeping both Carlo and McAvoy makes sense. I'm all for standing pat and not making the move for Trouba, but don't understand locking Carlo or McAvoy into your bottom pairing (especially with McQuaid and Kevan both signed long term for that role).

 

[bbfan419]

I get being loathe to move McAvoy or Carlo in a deal for Trouba.

That being said, running Trouba, Carlo and McAvoy as your RD for the next 5 years isn't the best use of roster space or cap space either.

If you get Trouba, I don't see how keeping both Carlo and McAvoy makes sense. I'm all for standing pat and not making the move for Trouba, but don't understand locking Carlo or McAvoy into your bottom pairing (especially with McQuaid and Kevan both signed long term for that role).

If it gets to that point you have all 3 ready to play top 4, then one can switch to the Left or you can trade one for a valuable asset to fill another hole maybe a winger or Center whatever the need may be.

 

[pierre gagnon*]

I would trade Krech, Beleskey, Krug before Carlo or McAvoy right now, eyes on the future for me. We may have 2 studs right now in house. We are supposed to stop stocking other teams with our talent, end the madness now.

 

[JRull86]

I get being loathe to move McAvoy or Carlo in a deal for Trouba.

That being said, running Trouba, Carlo and McAvoy as your RD for the next 5 years isn't the best use of roster space or cap space either.

If you get Trouba, I don't see how keeping both Carlo and McAvoy makes sense. I'm all for standing pat and not making the move for Trouba, but don't understand locking Carlo or McAvoy into your bottom pairing (especially with McQuaid and Kevan both signed long term for that role).

I highly doubt both McQuaid and KMiller are both on the team by the beginning of next season. Too much redundency making too much money, especially with the expansion draft looming.

 

[Gordoff]

I get being loathe to move McAvoy or Carlo in a deal for Trouba.

That being said, running Trouba, Carlo and McAvoy as your RD for the next 5 years isn't the best use of roster space or cap space either.

If you get Trouba, I don't see how keeping both Carlo and McAvoy makes sense. I'm all for standing pat and not making the move for Trouba, but don't understand locking Carlo or McAvoy into your bottom pairing (especially with McQuaid and Kevan both signed long term for that role).

If these kids are THAT good and if Sweeney can make a move without losing any top defensive prospects it'll be a fascinating problem to have.

I highly doubt both McQuaid and KMiller are both on the team by the beginning of next season. Too much redundency making too much money, especially with the expansion draft looming.

Many around here have been saying just this for the past 2 years. Sweeney is in a tough position and (obviously) is taking his own job in jeopardy if he doesn't show something big for this season... He's waiting until the eleventh hour to make moves, if he doesn't make the playoffs and gets canned someone else will come in and trade whatever they can in desperation to not end up fired too. Don must be seeing now that he needs to get rid of those two and make a big move or two to save this season and maybe his job too.
Hayes is probably untradeable until the deadline but at that point they'll keep him for the expansion draft, Beleskey is just a waste of money and a roster spot.

 

[slim399]

I think they need to play the kids, make a few trades to shake up the team and spread the wealth through the line up.

Krug, Hayes, 1st
For
Trouba

Beleskey, Morrow, 2nd
For
Fowler

Liles, McQuaid dealt for highest picks

Marchand-Bergeron-Czarnik
Cehlarik-Krejci-Pastrnak
Heinen/Vatrano-Spooner-Backes
Schaller-Moore-Accairi
Nash

Fowler-Trouba
Chara-Carlo
O'Gara-C Miller
K Miller

Younger, faster and more skilled for today's NHL

 

[BruinDust]

Spooner + McAvoy for Trouba

This season: https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/214563
Next season: https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/214557

Meh, I'm sort of over Trouba.

With the emergence of Carlo, the improvement of Colin Miller, the surprise camp of O'Gara who can play both sides, and the drafting of McAvoy, I'm more concerned with the left-side of the D now than I am the right in the short-term.

I see a bigger gap on the left-side between the current group and the next wave (Zboril/Lauzon/Lindgren/etc. than I do on the right side, where it is possible that Carlo-Colin-McAvoy-Kevan/McQuaid are your 1-2-3-4 RD come next season.

I'd prefer they go after Fowler or De haan to bridge that gap than a Trouba or Shattenkirk.

 

[AlpineLager]

Probably been discussed before but, can we even be sure that Trouba would want to play here?

 

[s3antana5757]

I highly doubt both McQuaid and KMiller are both on the team by the beginning of next season. Too much redundency making too much money, especially with the expansion draft looming.

You clearly haven't seen this team the last few years. We've had an opportunity to get rid of BOTH and decided to keep them. They should be moved, but likely won't atleast until Neely/Sweeney are bagged.

Meh, I'm sort of over Trouba.

With the emergence of Carlo, the improvement of Colin Miller, the surprise camp of O'Gara who can play both sides, and the drafting of McAvoy, I'm more concerned with the left-side of the D now than I am the right in the short-term.

I see a bigger gap on the left-side between the current group and the next wave (Zboril/Lauzon/Lindgren/etc. than I do on the right side, where it is possible that Carlo-Colin-McAvoy-Kevan/McQuaid are your 1-2-3-4 RD come next season.

I'd prefer they go after Fowler or De haan to bridge that gap than a Trouba or Shattenkirk.

I think we've agreed a whole bunch on this topic. Not sure any of those guys you listed on the left side become top pairing guys. I would definitely consider moving Krug for a top LH guy.

 

[wintersej]

Probably been discussed before but, can we even be sure that Trouba would want to play here?

He would get the on ice usage here.

Off the ice there are more medical schools for his lady friend in Boston than anywhere else.

I'd be shocked if Boston wasn't high on his list.

 

[Absurdity]

Spooner + McAvoy for Trouba

This season: https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/214563
Next season: https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/214557

I agree with your stance on this deal. I would add McQuaid to the deal though. However in my opinion, as time moves on with little less than a month for the Jets to decide what to do with Trouba, his value lessens. It may be time for the Bruins to move on and look elsewhere for a defenseman, especially since Winnipeg fans think Chevy isn't going to budge on value and even ask for something like McAvoy + Lauzon + 1st in return for Trouba .

 

[chizzler]

I agree with your stance on this deal. I would add McQuaid to the deal though. However in my opinion, as time moves on with little less than a month for the Jets to decide what to do with Trouba, his value lessens. It may be time for the Bruins to move on and look elsewhere for a defenseman, especially since Winnipeg fans think Chevy isn't going to budge on value and even ask for something like McAvoy + Lauzon + 1st in return for Trouba .

It's Chevy's job to ask for the moon. All he needs is for one GM to bite.

 

[BruinDust]

You clearly haven't seen this team the last few years. We've had an opportunity to get rid of BOTH and decided to keep them. They should be moved, but likely won't atleast until Neely/Sweeney are bagged.



I think we've agreed a whole bunch on this topic. Not sure any of those guys you listed on the left side become top pairing guys. I would definitely consider moving Krug for a top LH guy.

I think just playing the odds there is a decent chance at least one of them becomes a Top 4 guy, maybe not a No.1-2 level player, but a solid player none the less.

But even if they get one, you probably looking at 2-3 years out. Chances are Zboril and Lauzon start in Providence next Oct., Lindgren will likely not turn pro until 2018-19, and once again will likely require AHL time.

Sure one of them could pull are Carlo, but Carlo is certainly the exception.

What do they do in the interm? Adding a guy on the left-side who could bridge that gap would help now and moving forward.

 

[pierre gagnon*]

The good thing is the Bruins are not desperate right now. That leads a newer GM like Sweeney to make bold, risky moves. Jets/Colorado, Isles or the Canucks could take advantage of that. Stay the path, Carlo, Chara, Colin have been good. Krug will be better with a real top 4 partner. Young guys are going be good. We could use a Chara like replacement to gap the experience to the new dee core. Someone who is in his mid to later 20s and ready to take a top 2 spot but can wait a year to assume it. I have been pretty much over trouba since the jets board said they are going to wait it out and want nothing but the best option. So to me its not worth giving up a promising player that could be better long term for us.

 

[Absurdity]

It's Chevy's job to ask for the moon. All he needs is for one GM to bite.

Absolutely, he wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't. However just like Doug Armstrong in St. Louis asking a lot for Shattenkirk, rumored Pastrnak + 1st, teams looking for a defenseman weren't willing to pay that price. It looks like the same is happening with the Jets. If the Jets aren't budging, Sweeney should look elsewhere if he wants to add a defenseman and with the upcoming expansion draft, there should be a reasonable market out there near the trade deadline in my opinion.

 

[s3antana5757]

I think just playing the odds there is a decent chance at least one of them becomes a Top 4 guy, maybe not a No.1-2 level player, but a solid player none the less.

But even if they get one, you probably looking at 2-3 years out. Chances are Zboril and Lauzon start in Providence next Oct., Lindgren will likely not turn pro until 2018-19, and once again will likely require AHL time.

Sure one of them could pull are Carlo, but Carlo is certainly the exception.

What do they do in the interm? Adding a guy on the left-side who could bridge that gap would help now and moving forward.

I think we're in total agreement on these guys. I absolutely think that atleast one and hopefully two guys of those can become top 4 guys. We need the Chara replacement. If we can get a Trouba caliber guy for the left side, I would definitely move Krug for that person.

 

[BruinDust]

I think we're in total agreement on these guys. I absolutely think that atleast one and hopefully two guys of those can become top 4 guys. We need the Chara replacement. If we can get a Trouba caliber guy for the left side, I would definitely move Krug for that person.

Maybe it's premature, but I'm starting to worry about Krug. Kids got heart and gumption, but he's lost his biggest weapon (his slapper), and his skating doesn't have that jump in his step it used to. I wonder being an undersized guy has playing D the way he does (he's quite physical) hasn't started to take it's toll.

It is early, but I also see reason to be concerned about him.

 

[chizzler]

Maybe it's premature, but I'm starting to worry about Krug. Kids got heart and gumption, but he's lost his biggest weapon (his slapper), and his skating doesn't have that jump in his step it used to. I wonder being an undersized guy has playing D the way he does (he's quite physical) hasn't started to take it's toll.

It is early, but I also see reason to be concerned about him.

His roll is deferent than the roll he started. More minutes and more hits taken now. Injuries haven't helped. He'll be ok when and if they fix the defense.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

I think they need to play the kids, make a few trades to shake up the team and spread the wealth through the line up.

Krug, Hayes, 1st
For
Trouba

Beleskey, Morrow, 2nd
For
Fowler

Liles, McQuaid dealt for highest picks

Marchand-Bergeron-Czarnik
Cehlarik-Krejci-Pastrnak
Heinen/Vatrano-Spooner-Backes
Schaller-Moore-Accairi
Nash

Fowler-Trouba
Chara-Carlo
O'Gara-C Miller
K Miller

Younger, faster and more skilled for today's NHL

you sir make wonderful trade suggestions that help the bruins alot

 

[kdog82]

Any interest in Evander Kane? I know he's had issues off the ice but he is a big, strong, fast winger. A guy Krejci could use.

What is Buffalo looking for?

Marchy-Bergy-Pasta
Kane-Kejci-Czarnik
Beleskey-Spooner-Backes

Kane is still only 25 years old.