Proposal: All Bruins rumors/proposals: 16/17

[wintersej]

I'm not convinced that any of those guys will become legit #1 pairing guys. I don't see any of those guys becoming Keith, Vlasic, Hjalmarsson, etc. If we can get a top guy like that via trade, I'd be all over it. Especially if they are LH. I really think we have the RH guys for the future already in the organization.

No way the Bruins young d-men become as good as Keith (2nd rounder), Vlasic (2nd rounder) or Hjalmarsson (4th rounder).

Carlo, I think, can very much have a career in the Vlasic/Hjalmarsson range. You need McAvoy to hit and be a real top pairing guy. But, really, you can afford to have one or two of Zboril, Lauzon and Lindgren to totally bust if McAvoy does what we hope and Carlo keeps doing what he is doing.

I do think there is a solid argument for Sweeney to hold the fort when you work out a lineup for next year: https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/39088.

 

[s3antana5757]

No way the Bruins young d-men become as good as Keith (2nd rounder), Vlasic (2nd rounder) or Hjalmarsson (4th rounder).

Carlo, I think, can very much have a career in the Vlasic/Hjalmarsson range. You need McAvoy to hit and be a real top pairing guy. But, really, you can afford to have one or two of Zboril, Lauzon and Lindgren to totally bust if McAvoy does what we hope and Carlo keeps doing what he is doing.

I do think there is a solid argument for Sweeney to hold the fort when you work out a lineup for next year: https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/39088.

I wasn't discussing where they were drafted. Just not sure that out of Zboril, Lauzon, O'Gara, Lindgren that we will get that type of player. I sure hope so! And I'm rooting for them, but also trying to be realistic.

Just looked and saw that B. Burns is a FA after this season. Any change we take a run at him?

 

[Oates2Neely]

Unless there is an injury makes no sense to trade for a D unless it's a steal

Chara with no power play time has been very good - Carlo looks that 15 year top 4 rock. Krug's a second pair and rounding in to shape and the prospects overall get better

they got multiple left shot D drafted in high rounds they really only need to hit on 1. The odds are stacked in their favor. Thanks Don

2nd pairing will not keep it together through 82. Krug can, but he needs a reliable partner. Millers & McQuaid don't quite fit the bill. Unless another playoff DNQ 9th place finish is the goal. I wouldn't splurge for a shiny name, as Sweeney has some solid d prospects fermenting. A vet on a short term deal would be ideal. Perhaps an Edler type

 

[Tampbear]

2nd pairing will not keep it together through 82. Krug can, but he needs a reliable partner. Millers & McQuaid don't quite fit the bill. Unless another playoff DNQ 9th place finish is the goal. I wouldn't splurge for a shiny name, as Sweeney has some solid d prospects fermenting. A vet on a short term deal would be ideal. Perhaps an Edler type

We just missed last year with Killer next to Krug and no one to play next to Chara. I really think Killer is going to stabilize the D when he returns now that Chara has someone that can handle his minutes and contribute positively.

 

[24giovanni]

We just missed last year with Killer next to Krug and no one to play next to Chara. I really think Killer is going to stabilize the D when he returns now that Chara has someone that can handle his minutes and contribute positively.

We have a Killer next to Krug? Has anyone reported that to the police or FBI?

 

[Oates2Neely]

We just missed last year with Killer next to Krug and no one to play next to Chara. I really think Killer is going to stabilize the D when he returns now that Chara has someone that can handle his minutes and contribute positively.

Kevan Miller can't be depended on to remain healthy (wonky shoulder). And had that team made the playoffs they would've quickly been disposed of.

 

[Coach Parker]

2nd pairing will not keep it together through 82. Krug can, but he needs a reliable partner. Millers & McQuaid don't quite fit the bill. Unless another playoff DNQ 9th place finish is the goal. I wouldn't splurge for a shiny name, as Sweeney has some solid d prospects fermenting. A vet on a short term deal would be ideal. Perhaps an Edler type

Chara - Carlo will not last the season at this pace. Last two seasons Chara proved that clearly he cannot take the top minutes all year. He collapses in the end when the push is needed.

Same old so far this season. Bruins are unable to upgrade that top pairing.

 

[SpitfireIX]

Chara - Carlo will not last the season at this pace. Last two seasons Chara proved that clearly he cannot take the top minutes all year. He collapses in the end when the push is needed.

Same old so far this season. Bruins are unable to upgrade that top pairing.

Another year finishing in the worst spot... 9th...

Looking back at the Hamilton trade, I wish that Sweeney had waited for an offer sheet. If it was a fair offer then you match. If the Edmonton myth was true then let him sign and get a top 5 pick. Instead we settled for a middle 1st and a couple of 2nds. When I look back its a lot like the Kessel situation. We had to play a year minus a top 6 winger but we received a 2nd overall and a 9th overall in back to back years. If Sweeney had the same vision...

 

[BB88]

Unless there is an injury makes no sense to trade for a D unless it's a steal

Chara with no power play time has been very good - Carlo looks that 15 year top 4 rock. Krug's a second pair and rounding in to shape and the prospects overall get better

they got multiple left shot D drafted in high rounds they really only need to hit on 1. The odds are stacked in their favor. Thanks Don

So basically rebuild?


I've been impressed with how Brodin has looked this year, looks really solid defensively. Minny is going to lose a really good player for draft.
Brodin-Carlo could make a killer defensive pairing.

 

[Coach Parker]

Another year finishing in the worst spot... 9th...

Looking back at the Hamilton trade, I wish that Sweeney had waited for an offer sheet. If it was a fair offer then you match. If the Edmonton myth was true then let him sign and get a top 5 pick. Instead we settled for a middle 1st and a couple of 2nds. When I look back its a lot like the Kessel situation. We had to play a year minus a top 6 winger but we received a 2nd overall and a 9th overall in back to back years. If Sweeney had the same vision...

It feels like the bottom is actually going to fall out of this team with the current design. I don't think this lineup can make it to 9th this year. Jets fans seemed to be on board for this trade:

To Boston:

D Trouba
F Burmistrov

To Winnipeg:

D Zboril
D Lauzon
D McQuaid
1st 2018

I'd then move out anything on the 2nd-4th line not nailed to the ground with a NTC if possible. Not all of it, but 1-2 in a shakeup to bring some life to the forward group.

 

[Pia8988]

It feels like the bottom is actually going to fall out of this team with the current design. I don't think this lineup can make it to 9th this year. Jets fans seemed to be on board for this trade:

To Boston:

D Trouba
F Burmistrov

To Winnipeg:

D Zboril
D Lauzon
D McQuaid
1st 2018

I'd then move out anything on the 2nd-4th line not nailed to the ground with a NTC if possible. Not all of it, but 1-2 in a shakeup to bring some life to the forward group.

Take back Burmistrov just to waive him? He has no place in the forward group. That also gives us 3 good young RHD, but left has more questions. Wouldn't want to ship out two of the better ones.

As for Jets fans being on board with a trade, they've also shown to be delusional. I don't think Trouba returns a package like that.

Chevy seems content to let him sit out, unless your getting a good deal, let Winnepeg eat it and then waste of protection slot on him.

 

[Coach Parker]

Take back Burmistrov just to waive him? He has no place in the forward group. That also gives us 3 good young RHD, but left has more questions. Wouldn't want to ship out two of the better ones.

As for Jets fans being on board with a trade, they've also shown to be delusional. I don't think Trouba returns a package like that.

Chevy seems content to let him sit out, unless your getting a good deal, let Winnepeg eat it and then waste of protection slot on him.

Sadly, he has more points (1) than a couple of our guys who occupy the top 9. Remove Spooner's PP points and he's actually tied with him for points ES.

I don't see him as the answer, but if Trouba comes in, McQuaid or Miller has to go and I'll swap either for a player at half the cap hit of them who could bump one of the struggling third liners to the trade bait circle.

 

[Pia8988]

Sadly, he has more points (1) than a couple of our guys who occupy the top 9. Remove Spooner's PP points and he's actually tied with him for points ES.

I don't see him as the answer, but if Trouba comes in, McQuaid or Miller has to go and I'll swap either for a player at half the cap hit of them who could bump one of the struggling third liners to the trade bait circle.

Yeah, but where is a spot for him

Marchand, Bergeron, Pastrnak, Krejci, Backes, Czarnik, Spooner. That's 7 players that should be in your top 9. Then you have Vatrano, Hayes, Beleskey, Nash. Four players for 2 slots. Plus a number of players in Providence that should get a shot at some point again (Debrusk, Cehlarik, Heinen).

There is no room for Burmistrov in this group unless they also take back one of Beleskey or Hayes, even then. There is no spot for him in the future, so you just end up letting him walk to not waste a spot on a contract or on the roster.

 

[Coach Parker]

Yeah, but where is a spot for him

Marchand, Bergeron, Pastrnak, Krejci, Backes, Czarnik, Spooner. That's 7 players that should be in your top 9. Then you have Vatrano, Hayes, Beleskey, Nash. Four players for 2 slots. Plus a number of players in Providence that should get a shot at some point again (Debrusk, Cehlarik, Heinen).

There is no room for Burmistrov in this group unless they also take back one of Beleskey or Hayes, even then. There is no spot for him in the future, so you just end up letting him walk to not waste a spot on a contract or on the roster.

The same goes for McQuaid though if you acquire Trouba though, right? I personally move on from Spooner after this trade and move him in a separate deal.

Suddenly you get a shake-up of the defense and offense, shed salary on the Burmistrov - McQuaid portion and use it on Trouba. Burmistrov gets a shot with:

Marchand - Bergeron - Pastrnak
Beleskey - Krejci - Backes
Vatrano - Burmistrov - Czarnik
Acciari - Moore - Nash/Schaller
Hayes

Krug - Trouba
Chara - Carlo
Liles - C.Miller
Morrow

Rask
Khudobin

Third line is for prospects / breaking into the lineup. Third pairing is for Miller and Morrow to pair up with Liles and get experience.

Hayes swaps in when injuries take place. He'd be in until Vatrano is back. This is also with Spooner bringing in other assets.

 

[Pia8988]

The same goes for McQuaid though if you acquire Trouba though, right? I personally move on from Spooner after this trade and move him in a separate deal.

Suddenly you get a shake-up of the defense and offense, shed salary on the Burmistrov - McQuaid portion and use it on Trouba. Burmistrov gets a shot with:

Marchand - Bergeron - Pastrnak
Beleskey - Krejci - Backes
Vatrano - Burmistrov - Czarnik
Acciari - Moore - Nash/Schaller
Hayes

Krug - Trouba
Chara - Carlo
Liles - C.Miller
Morrow

Rask
Khudobin

Third line is for prospects / breaking into the lineup. Third pairing is for Miller and Morrow to pair up with Liles and get experience.

Hayes swaps in when injuries take place. He'd be in until Vatrano is back. This is also with Spooner bringing in other assets.

No way in hell Claude would let Burmistrov play center with his face off numbers with Nash on the team. He's just as bad if not worse than Spooner.

Spooner would have to be moved since you can't afford to give him and Pastrnak a raise at the same time since Trouba is eating up all of the Chara savings. Even without Spooner in the top 9, I'd rather call up a Providence player than Burmistrov. Bury him, waive him, whatever. Does absolutely nothing.

I still don't send two high end LHD prospects (which is more of a question than RHD long term) + a 1st which could be in a lot of places depending on this team at the moment. 1st + one of the LHD + another middling prospect. If Trouba does indeed sit out the whole year, I don't think his price stays the same.

 

[wintersej]

Another year finishing in the worst spot... 9th...

Looking back at the Hamilton trade, I wish that Sweeney had waited for an offer sheet. If it was a fair offer then you match. If the Edmonton myth was true then let him sign and get a top 5 pick. Instead we settled for a middle 1st and a couple of 2nds. When I look back its a lot like the Kessel situation. We had to play a year minus a top 6 winger but we received a 2nd overall and a 9th overall in back to back years. If Sweeney had the same vision...

You couldn't have known McJesus was going to get hurt last year. If he stays healthy, and you added Hamilton to that EDM D, that's far from a top 5 pick. Especially in that garbage division they are in.

 

[wintersej]

No way in hell Claude would let Burmistrov play center with his face off numbers with Nash on the team. He's just as bad if not worse than Spooner.

Spooner would have to be moved since you can't afford to give him and Pastrnak a raise at the same time since Trouba is eating up all of the Chara savings. Even without Spooner in the top 9, I'd rather call up a Providence player than Burmistrov. Bury him, waive him, whatever. Does absolutely nothing.

I still don't send two high end LHD prospects (which is more of a question than RHD long term) + a 1st which could be in a lot of places depending on this team at the moment. 1st + one of the LHD + another middling prospect. If Trouba does indeed sit out the whole year, I don't think his price stays the same.

An important point. The Bruins have not had to worry about the cap the last couple seasons, but with Pasta and Spooner getting raises this coming offseason, all the Bruins cap dollars for next season are accounted for. So if the Bruins are going to add salary for next season, either Pasta or Spooner or another contract has to go out. Spooner being replaced by Vatrano/Heinen/DeBrusk seems like the obvious move.

 

[Coach Parker]

An important point. The Bruins have not had to worry about the cap the last couple seasons, but with Pasta and Spooner getting raises this coming offseason, all the Bruins cap dollars for next season are accounted for. So if the Bruins are going to add salary for next season, either Pasta or Spooner or another contract has to go out. Spooner being replaced by Vatrano/Heinen/DeBrusk seems like the obvious move.

So if Spooner is moved this month, is there a team out there that would give up a late 1st for a 49 point 925k center?

If so, you recover the 1st you traded away for Trouba.

 

[JCRO]

..... I hate Burmistrov. Dirty player.

 

[SpitfireIX]

You couldn't have known McJesus was going to get hurt last year. If he stays healthy, and you added Hamilton to that EDM D, that's far from a top 5 pick. Especially in that garbage division they are in.

I think everyone pretty much knew they were going to be bad last year. They were bottom five in almost every pre-season forecast not to mention this year, even with their additions, their hot start is considered the biggest surprise thus far of the season. I even saw another poll tonight on NESN where the majority voted that the Oilers start was the biggest surprise. So your dead wrong in thinking that the Oilers were expected to do better last year by anyone outside of the Oilers brass themselves. Sweeney simply didn't want to wait for picks awarded from an offer sheet. He didn't have the patience to wait more than a year but the fact is that with prospects the timeline is largely out of your control unless they are a top 5 pick or you get lucky. What a coupe it would have been for him to have Edmonton make an offer sheet, choose not to match and then recoup the superstar caliber player we lost in Seguin with a Puuljaarvi or even Laine (who knows how the lottery might have gone differently). Heck even Clayton Keller or Alexander Nylander would have been a big time upgrade. We would still have had our own pick to go after McAvoy as well. I mean if we are going down the rabbit hole and assuming the myth of an Edmonton offer sheet was true why do we automatically assume this would have been a bad thing and that the only option was to trade Dougie fast for the best return available at the draft. Why not just let Edmonton make the offer and choose not to match. The Oilers were bad forever and they ended up being bad for another season doesn't seem like the biggest gamble to me.

 

[Coach Parker]

A loss against Buffalo (they have only given up six goals in the last six games) then Montreal.

Two losses on top of this one and this thread will be on fire.

 

[wintersej]

I think everyone pretty much knew they were going to be bad last year. They were bottom five in almost every pre-season forecast not to mention this year, even with their additions, their hot start is considered the biggest surprise thus far of the season. I even saw another poll tonight on NESN where the majority voted that the Oilers start was the biggest surprise. So your dead wrong in thinking that the Oilers were expected to do better last year by anyone outside of the Oilers brass themselves. Sweeney simply didn't want to wait for picks awarded from an offer sheet. He didn't have the patience to wait more than a year but the fact is that with prospects the timeline is largely out of your control unless they are a top 5 pick or you get lucky. What a coupe it would have been for him to have Edmonton make an offer sheet, choose not to match and then recoup the superstar caliber player we lost in Seguin with a Puuljaarvi or even Laine (who knows how the lottery might have gone differently). Heck even Clayton Keller or Alexander Nylander would have been a big time upgrade. We would still have had our own pick to go after McAvoy as well. I mean if we are going down the rabbit hole and assuming the myth of an Edmonton offer sheet was true why do we automatically assume this would have been a bad thing and that the only option was to trade Dougie fast for the best return available at the draft. Why not just let Edmonton make the offer and choose not to match. The Oilers were bad forever and they ended up being bad for another season doesn't seem like the biggest gamble to me.

Perhaps, I still take Senyshyn, JFK and Lauzon for Dougie 10/10 times. If EDM had added Dougie, I don't think any of the preseason polls would have had him top 5. Would a Logan Brown, Adam Mascherin, some random 3rd rounder level return been good? Sure. But, I still think that with a healthy McJesus and Dougie that team would have been fighting for a playoff spot in that garbage division.

 

[Oates2Neely]

Perhaps, I still take Senyshyn, JFK and Lauzon for Dougie 10/10 times. If EDM had added Dougie, I don't think any of the preseason polls would have had him top 5. Would a Logan Brown, Adam Mascherin, some random 3rd rounder level return been good? Sure. But, I still think that with a healthy McJesus and Dougie that team would have been fighting for a playoff spot in that garbage division.

"And Dougie"? Who is this Dougie you speak of? The Dougie discussed on these boards sucks and is an AHL caliber player. Are you suggesting THAT Dougie would've helped the Oilers avoid a bottom 5 finish? I know of a poster(s) who would take issue with that bold claim.

I think a healthy McDavid + Dougie would still have led to a bottom 5 finish. The Oilers this season will not be the juggernaut they appeared to be in that stretch. They still may end up a bottom 5 team this season.

 

[BB88]

A loss against Buffalo (they have only given up six goals in the last six games) then Montreal.

Two losses on top of this one and this thread will be on fire.

They really shouldn't lose to Buffalo, their offense is so silent right now. There's O'Reilly and RR and that's it, even on the blueline they are without Bogosian.

 

[wintersej]

Spooner + McAvoy for Trouba

This season: https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/214563
Next season: https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/214557