Rumor: All about Alex DeBrincat -possible trade

[heyfolks]

He must have the same agent as Bertuzzi

 

[BinCookin]

I'll be honest. I do not value DeBrincat that highly... I do not think he is a 8-9M player.

I hope we do not try to trade for him!

 

[better Red than Dead]

I keep having this feeling that Detroit will end up with DeBrincat.

 

[WingNut]

I'll be honest. I do not value DeBrincat that highly... I do not think he is a 8-9M player.

I hope we do not try to trade for him!

Why in the world would you not want an actual goal scorer like DeBrincat on our team that can’t score?

 

[raymond23]

I keep having this feeling that Detroit will end up with DeBrincat.

Same

 

[Detroit Knights]

Same

Hopefully you guys have the right feeling because I have no idea why I think he’s going to Vegas. Maybe no extension but at least for the year.

They’d have to trade cap, something like two of Martinez/mcnabb/karlsson/lehner?

 

[BinCookin]

Why in the world would you not want an actual goal scorer like DeBrincat on our team that can’t score?

Its all about the right cap numbers.

DeBrincat may be a goal scoring 5-6 Mil player... But his "market" value is 9Million.

I call that a huge mistake.

Also we have to give up assets for him. We don't exactly have a team strong enough to be giving up assets.

There is a reason Debrincat is available btw... he isn't going to be worth his salary, and Ottawa knows it!!

 

[stillwater]

With DeBrincat, it all depends on the term. Five years is fine, eight years, not so much.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Its all about the right cap numbers.

DeBrincat may be a goal scoring 5-6 Mil player... But his "market" value is 9Million.

I call that a huge mistake.

Also we have to give up assets for him. We don't exactly have a team strong enough to be giving up assets.

There is a reason Debrincat is available btw... he isn't going to be worth his salary, and Ottawa knows it!!

Who are you saving those cap dollars for? We aren't awarded wins on the scoresheet for the number of cap dollars that we bank.

 

[BinCookin]

Who are you saving those cap dollars for? We aren't awarded wins on the scoresheet for the number of cap dollars that we bank.

Ya but what TERM are going with 5-6-7-8 years?

In that case IF any of our draft picks hit, and they become good.... we have to buyout Debrincat if he's what I think he is.... it's a horrible move.

I wager that Debrincat gets tops 60 points this upcoming season... and for that I wouldn't pay him over 6.5M. I think Debrincat gonna be a Matt Duchene/Ryan Johansen contract, and whoever signs him is going to regret it. Those guys are not horrible, but they were paid too much. And that makes them horrible.

The best teams have NO or FEW bad contracts. It is important. If you think Debrincat is a legit 40 Goal 80-90 point player... I get it, and we should try to pay him.

I don't think he is anywhere near that player.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

If they weren't letting us negotiate I get walking away. No sense paying up for someone who could end up being a one year rental. DeBrincat is good but what good is he if he only provides us scoring for one year OR his contract demands are so high we have to overpay to keep him.

Its the timing of when they could negotiate. As I understood it, Ottawa wasn't going to let teams negotiate until after they had negotiated the return for DeBrincat first.

 

[Henkka]

I wager that Debrincat gets tops 60 points this upcoming season... and for that I wouldn't pay him over 6.5M. I think Debrincat gonna be a Matt Duchene/Ryan Johansen contract, and whoever signs him is going to regret it. Those guys are not horrible, but they were paid too much. And that makes them horrible.

The best teams have NO or FEW bad contracts. It is important. If you think Debrincat is a legit 40 Goal 80-90 point player... I get it, and we should try to pay him.

I don't think he is anywhere near that player.

2 seasons in-a-row without Patty Kane should prove what he is.

 

[RedHawkDown]

If we are going to give 8M to Holl and JT Compher, I'm fine with giving DBC 9M. We're not managing the cap well anyway so why not spend the money on a significantly better player?

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Ya but what TERM are going with 5-6-7-8 years?

In that case IF any of our draft picks hit, and they become good.... we have to buyout Debrincat if he's what I think he is.... it's a horrible move.

I wager that Debrincat gets tops 60 points this upcoming season... and for that I wouldn't pay him over 6.5M. I think Debrincat gonna be a Matt Duchene/Ryan Johansen contract, and whoever signs him is going to regret it. Those guys are not horrible, but they were paid too much. And that makes them horrible.

The best teams have NO or FEW bad contracts. It is important. If you think Debrincat is a legit 40 Goal 80-90 point player... I get it, and we should try to pay him.

I don't think he is anywhere near that player.

I consider these long contracts to be red herrings. Everyone is afraid of them but they always get moved or bought out when push comes to shove. Everyone keeps waiting for certain teams to run into cap hell, but 9 out of 10 times they find a way to get out of it and better. How long have we been waiting to use our cap space to raid teams in cap hell? At a certain point you realize that bus isn't coming.

I also disagree with your bad contract comment. All teams have bad contracts. UFAs are almost by definition overpaid. Moreover, they aren't competitive because they have few bad contracts, they are competitive because they have really, really good players. If you don't have good players, elite cap management isn't going to get you anything. Look how thin the modern free agent market is. Perfection is 100% the enemy of good.

 

[Detroit Knights]

Its all about the right cap numbers.

DeBrincat may be a goal scoring 5-6 Mil player... But his "market" value is 9Million.

I call that a huge mistake.

Also we have to give up assets for him. We don't exactly have a team strong enough to be giving up assets.

There is a reason Debrincat is available btw... he isn't going to be worth his salary, and Ottawa knows it!!

Ottawa has said that they want to retain him. I am pretty sure they offered close to the number he wants...That is the reason.

The reason he wants out is not his AAV that Ottawa is offering, he just doesn't want to be there. I am confident that if OTT offered 8x10 or 8x11 he would still decline because he just doesn't want to be there.

 

[Detroit Knights]

I consider these long contracts to be red herrings. Everyone is afraid of them but they always get moved or bought out when push comes to shove. Everyone keeps waiting for certain teams to run into cap hell, but 9 out of 10 times they find a way to get out of it and better. How long have we been waiting to use our cap space to raid teams in cap hell? At a certain point you realize that bus isn't coming.

I also disagree with your bad contract comment. All teams have bad contracts. UFAs are almost by definition overpaid. Moreover, they aren't competitive because they have few bad contracts, they are competitive because they have really, really good players. If you don't have good players, elite cap management isn't going to get you anything. Look how thin the modern free agent market is. Perfection is 100% the enemy of good.

That is why Yzerman doesn't want them. He said in one of those press conference at the end of the year that he doesn't like 8 year contracts because towards the tail end of the contract you aren't getting what you originally paid for. He wants to give 8 year contracts to core players (which is 26/27 and younger because of Larkin's age).

Since Debrincat is not a player that has been in our system and he doesn't know him at all, that is the moreso the hesitation because he fits the age of our core.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

We ain't getting him. Don't get your hopes up guys. When do we make moves like this? Enjoy Compher's scoring touch lol.

 

[norrisnick]

Ottawa has said that they want to retain him. I am pretty sure they offered close to the number he wants...That is the reason.

The reason he wants out is not his AAV that Ottawa is offering, he just doesn't want to be there. I am confident that if OTT offered 8x10 or 8x11 he would still decline because he just doesn't want to be there.

At 8x$10M-11M+ I'm sure he'd put up with Ottawa.

 

[ZDH]

If we are going to give 8M to Holl and JT Compher, I'm fine with giving DBC 9M. We're not managing the cap well anyway so why not spend the money on a significantly better player?

I wouldn't say we aren't managing the cap well when literally no signing or combination of signings is going to have any effect on us going forward. We still have 10 million in cap with a rapidly rising cap and half our team is off the books next year.

 

[BinCookin]

Debrincat has had 1 year without P. Kane, 66Pts.

I honestly would prefer Bertuzzi over him. Of course that isn't an option either.

In either case I'd prefer we don't trade for him, and don't sign him.

At the end of this season, we will know more about what Debrincat is.

 

[GreatGordie9]

Folks, this makes me laugh what our buddy Eklund has on hockey buzz about Karlsson.

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[Frk It]

Its all about the right cap numbers.

DeBrincat may be a goal scoring 5-6 Mil player... But his "market" value is 9Million.

I call that a huge mistake.

Also we have to give up assets for him. We don't exactly have a team strong enough to be giving up assets.

There is a reason Debrincat is available btw... he isn't going to be worth his salary, and Ottawa knows it!!

If we don’t spend that 8 million on DeBrincat then we will just spend it on guys like Compher and Holl.

We aren’t going to sit there with no guys under contract and not spend money.

So keep that in mind.

 

[Kronwalled55]

If we don’t spend that 8 million on DeBrincat then we will just spend it on guys like Compher and Holl.

This is where I'm at as well.

I think Detroit has had six individual 30-goal performances since 2008. Not sure how that stacks up with other franchises in that span but that seems... sad.

 

[Oddbob]

Its all about the right cap numbers.

DeBrincat may be a goal scoring 5-6 Mil player... But his "market" value is 9Million.

I call that a huge mistake.

Also we have to give up assets for him. We don't exactly have a team strong enough to be giving up assets.

There is a reason Debrincat is available btw... he isn't going to be worth his salary, and Ottawa knows it!!

Ottawa wants to keep him. Debrincat is on the market because he said no to signing long term there. Ottawa was rumoured to have offered more term than any other teams.

Debrincat has had 1 year without P. Kane, 66Pts.

I honestly would prefer Bertuzzi over him. Of course that isn't an option either.

In either case I'd prefer we don't trade for him, and don't sign him.

At the end of this season, we will know more about what Debrincat is.

8 mil for Debrincat is miles better than 5.1 for Compher.

 

[Detroit Knights]

Curious:

If you waive a player for purposes of sending him to the AHL and the player passes through waivers, if he ultimately is traded after all of that (let's say in a week), then does the player report to the other teams AHL or NHL team?

To be more specific: If Zadina passes through waivers, can we trade him still to OTT or whoever as an AHL player, or would he be considered an NHL player in the transaction viewed by the league?

I am curious because any trade that Yzerman does (if any) for a goal scorer, I think he makes a condition that Zadina has to be added. Now, if this is the case, then Zadina wouldn't be as much of a "throw in/cap dump" anymore because of his waiving status. This helps whoever we trade with for roster depth in their organization, develop him how they want, and move on (like Zadina wants to do). This would save the process for the other team to waive him to put him in the AHL and risk losing him through someone on the waiver wire after acquiring him in the first place...

Sooooo, Zadina (AHL) + Berggren + 2024 1st (whichever one?) + 2024/25 3rd/Kubalik? for Debrincat.

Seems like an overpayment but we trade Zadina for his fresh start in a new organizations AHL team, Berggren seems to be the odd guy out in the lineup (which really sucks), and the picks would just be add-ons until the deal gets done. If the 1st is good enough, great, if not then add the other or Kubalik.

I'd much rather keep Kubalik and utilize him the correct way though.