Player Discussion Alexis Lafreniere

[egelband]

No surprise there. Teams don't want to get put on a shit list for doing so (even if it is legal by the CBA). Montreal learned that the hard way, well if whats his name ever becomes a decent player at least.

Even that wasn’t really such a big deal I’d think. It was a tempest in a teacup, at the time. But looking back, it was kind of a nothingburger. I doubt that incident is front-of-mind for Gorts or any other GM, really. These guys are only in their roles for a few years and business is business. It’d be silly to be running scared over something like that.

 

[Rongomania]

No one would dare offer sheet anyone in the wealthiest franchise in the league. Beyond dumb. Add to that, we are also a VERY attractive city, especially for a young millionaire athlete.

What Carolina did, we would do bigger, better and crazier.

We gave Dan Girardi 5.5 per year when the cap was 69 mil.

We don't care about money and we do very dumb things with it.

 

[NickyFotiu]

NHL Network take on Alexis Lafrenier:

Thanks for posting this video. My dad always said you have to give a guy time to mature. That does not mean they always do become good but you never want to give up too soon.

In terms of Laf and Kaako I think we need to see 110-120 points from them combined next season to have significantly more hope for their futures.

 

[NickyFotiu]

How many 1st overalls. Had a 90+ point player and another ~30 goalscorer that played the exact positions as them when drafted.

This was a unique situation. And one that is completely awful for the player.

I actually think it was a great situation for Laf to come in. He was not under pressure to carry the team when he was clearly not ready.

When Pat Lafontaine was drafted #3 people said Pat was in a great situation. He was drafted to a 4 time Stanley Cup winner that had Bryan Trottier, Butch Goring and Brent Sutter at center.

 

[613Hockey]

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Make or break season incoming. Contract is an historic low in the salary cap era for 1st overall picks. Hard not to understand that message from the front office.
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[LOFIN]

In terms of Laf and Kaako I think we need to see 110-120 points from them combined next season to have significantly more hope for their futures.

That's not happening unless they get PP1 time. Last year, there were 27 players who scored 55 or more even strength points. Panarin was our best, with 56 EVP.

 

[PANARIN BREAD FAN]

Thanks for posting this video. My dad always said you have to give a guy time to mature. That does not mean they always do become good but you never want to give up too soon.

In terms of Laf and Kaako I think we need to see 110-120 points from them combined next season to have significantly more hope for their futures.

110 from both of these guys? this would mean that kaako would have to get to 70 pts.

 

[NickyFotiu]

That's not happening unless they get PP1 time. Last year, there were 27 players who scored 55 or more even strength points. Panarin was our best, with 56 EVP.

The better they play the more PP time they will get.

110 from both of these guys? this would mean that kaako would have to get to 70 pts.

Or they both get 55 each.

 

[PANARIN BREAD FAN]

The better they play the more PP time they will get.


Or they both get 55 each

it's like playing pool. you make a real difficult shot that has a less than 25% chance of going into a pocket. that shot reappears later and you miss that attempt. in other words, you'll only get that one guy to score 55 but that's it as you're not getting another one after that.

 

[NickyFotiu]

it's like playing pool. you make a real difficult shot that has a less than 25% chance of going into a pocket. that shot reappears later and you miss that attempt. in other words, you'll only get that one guy to score 55 but that's it as you're not getting another one after that.

I can not say that one, both or neither will get 55 points next season. We will have to play the games and see. That is like a 15 point improvement for each guy. I would hope they have that in them since neither guy has been killing it yet. If they chip in around 2-3 extra points a month they will be around 55 points.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Thanks for posting this video. My dad always said you have to give a guy time to mature. That does not mean they always do become good but you never want to give up too soon.

In terms of Laf and Kaako I think we need to see 110-120 points from them combined next season to have significantly more hope for their futures.

That sounds about right.

 

[ReddestRum]

That's not happening unless they get PP1 time. Last year, there were 27 players who scored 55 or more even strength points. Panarin was our best, with 56 EVP.

Laf and Kakko combined went a whopping 35 games last season without registering a shot. How about we work on that first since our kids literally need to take baby steps every year.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

The better they play the more PP time they will get.

well we know thats not true at all

 

[GAGLine]

Laf and Kakko combined went a whopping 35 games last season without registering a shot. How about we work on that first since our kids literally need to take baby steps every year.

Yes, they both need to shoot more. When you look at shots though, how often would other players have zero shots in a game if they didn't get shots on the PP? That definitely pads their stats.

Total shots at 5 on 5 last year (calculated based on goals and shooting percentage since NHL.com doesn't list the # of 5 on 5 shots):

Chytil: 17 goals shooting 11% (155 shots)
Trocheck: 10 goals shooting 6.9% (145 shots)
Kreider: 19 goals shooting 13.8% (138 shots)
Zib: 16 goals shooting 13% (123 shots)
Panarin: 19 goals shooting 16% (119 shots)
Laf: 12 goals shooting 10.3% (117 shots)
Kakko: 15 goals shooting 13.8% (109 shots)

Kakko and Laf have the lowest shot totals, but they aren't far off from Panarin and Zib. And when you factor in 5 on 5 TOI, their totals are better than Panarin's:

Panarin: 1223.17 minutes
Trocheck: 1204.03
Kakko: 1109.73
Zib: 1093.33
Laf: 1082.7
Kreider: 996.72
Chytil: 936.1

Shots per 60 minutes 5 on 5:

Chytil: 9.94
Kreider: 8.31
Trocheck: 7.22
Zib: 6.75
Laf: 6.48
Kakko: 5.89
Panarin: 5.84

Looking at the numbers, yes, Kakko and Laf need to shoot more often and Trocheck needs to score more often on his shots.

Chytil is a beast. For comparison:

Pastrnak: 12.87
MacKinnon: 11.65
McDavid: 9.6

Those 3 players led the league in shots on goal last year at 407, 366 and 352, respectively.

 

[kovazub94]

Yes, they both need to shoot more. When you look at shots though, how often would other players have zero shots in a game if they didn't get shots on the PP? That definitely pads their stats.

Total shots at 5 on 5 last year (calculated based on goals and shooting percentage since NHL.com doesn't list the # of 5 on 5 shots):

Chytil: 17 goals shooting 11% (155 shots)
Trocheck: 10 goals shooting 6.9% (145 shots)
Kreider: 19 goals shooting 13.8% (138 shots)
Zib: 16 goals shooting 13% (123 shots)
Panarin: 19 goals shooting 16% (119 shots)
Laf: 12 goals shooting 10.3% (117 shots)
Kakko: 15 goals shooting 13.8% (109 shots)

Kakko and Laf have the lowest shot totals, but they aren't far off from Panarin and Zib. And when you factor in 5 on 5 TOI, their totals are better than Panarin's:

Panarin: 1223.17 minutes
Trocheck: 1204.03
Kakko: 1109.73
Zib: 1093.33
Laf: 1082.7
Kreider: 996.72
Chytil: 936.1

Shots per 60 minutes 5 on 5:

Chytil: 9.94
Kreider: 8.31
Trocheck: 7.22
Zib: 6.75
Laf: 6.48
Kakko: 5.89
Panarin: 5.84

Looking at the numbers, yes, Kakko and Laf need to shoot more often and Trocheck needs to score more often on his shots.

Chytil is a beast. For comparison:

Pastrnak: 12.87
MacKinnon: 11.65
McDavid: 9.6

Those 3 players led the league in shots on goal last year at 407, 366 and 352, respectively.

At a very high level at ES - maybe 20 more shots each and so another 2 goals each.

I don't expect radical changes to PP1 that would result in both Lafreniere and Kakko become its fixtures. Lavi can work on making PP2 more cohesive as a unit. In short, total point approaching 50 points would be a good progress.

 

[NickyFotiu]

well we know thats not true at all

Yeah there is a master conspiracy to play guys who play worse on the PP.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Yeah there is a master conspiracy to play guys who play worse on the PP.

No conspiracy, just the Rongos debilitating addiction to prioritizing high priced vets at all costs.

Trochek was garbage on the PP all season, but was never removed until they brought in an even higher paid and older vet in Kane.

 

[NickyFotiu]

No conspiracy, just the Rongos debilitating addiction to prioritizing high priced vets at all costs.

Trochek was garbage on the PP all season, but was never removed until they brought in an even higher paid and older vet in Kane.

Yet Adam Fox has played as much as anyone for years.

Who scored more goals per 60 of PP time? Troch or Laf?

 

[Peltz]

Yet Adam Fox has played as much as anyone for years.

He's Adam Fox though.

 

[NickyFotiu]

He's Adam Fox though.

Exactly. If you produce you will find ice time. Nothing the GM likes better is young lower cost players producing. That gives them flexibility. Nothing coaches like better than players producing because their jobs are on the line. The organization want Laf to play great .....even more than fans. Drury would love to give Laf a huge contract because that will have meant he earned a huge raise.

 

[Raspewtin]

Exactly. If you produce you will find ice time. Nothing the GM likes better is young lower cost players producing. That gives them flexibility. Nothing coaches like better than players producing because their jobs are on the line. The organization want Laf to play great .....even more than fans. Drury would love to give Laf a huge contract because that will have meant he earned a huge raise.

I mean there's a severe difference between waltzing onto the ice a top 3 D in the world and being a forward prospect like Laf who has two elite LWs to compete with.

Not in any way to say I think Laf is not a disappointment, though.

 

[NickyFotiu]

I mean there's a severe difference between waltzing onto the ice a top 3 D in the world and being a forward prospect like Laf who has two elite LWs to compete with.

Not in any way to say I think Laf is not a disappointment, though.

Fox became a top D by producing. He wasn't just givin it.

 

[TGWL]

No conspiracy, just the Rongos debilitating addiction to prioritizing high priced vets at all costs.

Trochek was garbage on the PP all season, but was never removed until they brought in an even higher paid and older vet in Kane.

It's because of the following.
1. He took more than double the amount of PP FO as Zibanejad, while rocking a 60% rate.
2. He's a right hand shot.

 

[ReddestRum]

Yes, they both need to shoot more. When you look at shots though, how often would other players have zero shots in a game if they didn't get shots on the PP? That definitely pads their stats.

Total shots at 5 on 5 last year (calculated based on goals and shooting percentage since NHL.com doesn't list the # of 5 on 5 shots):

Chytil: 17 goals shooting 11% (155 shots)
Trocheck: 10 goals shooting 6.9% (145 shots)
Kreider: 19 goals shooting 13.8% (138 shots)
Zib: 16 goals shooting 13% (123 shots)
Panarin: 19 goals shooting 16% (119 shots)
Laf: 12 goals shooting 10.3% (117 shots)
Kakko: 15 goals shooting 13.8% (109 shots)

Kakko and Laf have the lowest shot totals, but they aren't far off from Panarin and Zib. And when you factor in 5 on 5 TOI, their totals are better than Panarin's:

Panarin: 1223.17 minutes
Trocheck: 1204.03
Kakko: 1109.73
Zib: 1093.33
Laf: 1082.7
Kreider: 996.72
Chytil: 936.1

Shots per 60 minutes 5 on 5:

Chytil: 9.94
Kreider: 8.31
Trocheck: 7.22
Zib: 6.75
Laf: 6.48
Kakko: 5.89
Panarin: 5.84

Looking at the numbers, yes, Kakko and Laf need to shoot more often and Trocheck needs to score more often on his shots.

Chytil is a beast. For comparison:

Pastrnak: 12.87
MacKinnon: 11.65
McDavid: 9.6

Those 3 players led the league in shots on goal last year at 407, 366 and 352, respectively.

Sigh. Look, I get it. I didn't need a whole writeup with you agreeing with me that they need to shoot more and in the same breath give stats that absolve them of their woes because their totals are better than the guy that passes more than he shoots on this team and winds up leading the team in points in that regard. You make a fair point, but like so many fans on this board you lose me when you say Chy is a beast and then proceed to follow that up with a comparison to Pasta, Mack, and McJesus.

For christ sake, they just need to shoot more. Shooting more, even without production shows they are still confidant in making their own way in terms of play on the ice instead of this board constantly saying that if "x were to have finished that pass, one of the kids would've got a point."

 

[GAGLine]

Sigh. Look, I get it. I didn't need a whole writeup with you agreeing with me that they need to shoot more and in the same breath give stats that absolve them of their woes because their totals are better than the guy that passes more than he shoots on this team and winds up leading the team in points in that regard. You make a fair point, but like so many fans on this board you lose me when you say Chy is a beast and then proceed to follow that up with a comparison to Pasta, Mack, and McJesus.

For christ sake, they just need to shoot more. Shooting more, even without production shows they are still confidant in making their own way in terms of play on the ice instead of this board constantly saying that if "x were to have finished that pass, one of the kids would've got a point."

It was more for my benefit than yours, to be honest, as I was interested in looking at a more apples to apples comparison.