Daves a mess
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Way more butter in Laughs bucket than Michaels.
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Way more butter in Laughs bucket than Michaels.
will1066
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eco's bones
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I get that the production is quite a bit less than expected but he was still a 21 year old putting up 39 points last year with not a lot of power play time. The negativity on the main boards is pretty much off the charts and still they come up with trade proposals all the time and always doing us a favor somehow taking him off our hands--the last one for a 2nd and 3rd rounder and Anderson from Montreal and it's like f*** off with that. He hasn't become a star yet and maybe won't become a big star but he is a for real NHL player nonetheless.
Daves a mess
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Irishguy42
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Time to put in his papers and register for the AARP
ReddestRum
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D+4 and people still not getting this shit.
Would anyone like to know how many players scored more than 4 points on the PP last season with less time on the PP than Laf?
LORDE
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I mean yeah I suppose you "could" compare anything to anything else... like you "COULD" compare the Wright Brothers' aircraft to an F-35 but that doesn't seem fair or a good use of your time.
Also I never said you compared them. I was making a point about the level of players & how in my opinion, Laf hasn't shown that he does anything exceptionally.
Are you going to say zero? What are you implying here? Rangers using him wrong? I am a little buzzed so don't want to assume anything.
ReddestRum
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I'm just saying there are players with less PP time that put up more raw points. Not only that, but besides our usual 5 that are out there on the PP, Laf was next in line at 6th most PP time and one of the 7 players on the team that got triple digit PP time.
Him not being top kick on the PP isn't his issue.
SA16
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Well that's totally the wrong question to ask. The question is how many forwards on the Rangers scored more than 4 PP points last season with less time on the PP than Laf. The answer is 0. It is the exact same thing for the year prior. Comparing him to players on other teams that structure their PP differently is totally meaningless. There is a very big difference on the PP between two players who both get exactly 100 minutes but one player gets 100 shifts of 1:00 and the other gets 200 shifts of 30 seconds.
Ok I get you. Agreed that isn't the issue with him. Not being on PP 1 is a symptom
ReddestRum
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So comparing players is meaningless because the structure between teams is different? If this is the case, is it meaningless to compare any stats because I get the feeling there are different structures, variables, etc between most teams in the NHL.
SA16
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Well, no, because that is not how logic works. Just because there is no meaning when comparing one specific situation that does not mean every possible situation is meaningless.
NickyFotiu
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My concern isnt points, PP or minutes. My concern is player identity. If I look at Crosby, McDavid, Hughes, Bedard, Mathews, McKinnon, etc its very clear who they are as players in early shifts of the game. I see the skills and think oh that guy is tough to defend because of xyz. That guy is a threat to score because of xyz. I'm still waiting for Laf to show me that identity. Laf is a danger to score because of......
Skating, stick handling, shiftiness, great shooting, etc. I really want to be able to give that answer in the first 20 games. Should only take a handful of shifts. It will really help limit fan concerns.
Skating, stick handling, shiftiness, great shooting, etc. I really want to be able to give that answer in the first 20 games. Should only take a handful of shifts. It will really help limit fan concerns.
HockeyBasedNYC
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Just watching Bedard's first, I'm so jealous that other teams get to watch a generational talent unfold before their eyes, get to watch him grow on a nightly basis.
He's the future of the game just like Ovy, Crosby, Matthews, McDavid, McKinnon, Hughes, etc. and no matter how the team is doing you can tune in and be excited about that each and every night.
I dont get that feeling with Laf at all. It quickly evaporated after the initial hype wore off. And maybe its unfair to compare the two but dammit why can't we? When the ball popped up with the NYR logo on it how could you not think there was a decent chance at that, no matter what the draft class?
Its all about timing I guess... Right place, wrong time.
He's the future of the game just like Ovy, Crosby, Matthews, McDavid, McKinnon, Hughes, etc. and no matter how the team is doing you can tune in and be excited about that each and every night.
I dont get that feeling with Laf at all. It quickly evaporated after the initial hype wore off. And maybe its unfair to compare the two but dammit why can't we? When the ball popped up with the NYR logo on it how could you not think there was a decent chance at that, no matter what the draft class?
Its all about timing I guess... Right place, wrong time.
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JHS
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Yes- this is exactly correct. There is nothing about Laf that makes other teams need to be worried about. He's 100% defendable in every way and adds nothing to mix. You watch virtually every other top overall pick and you can instantly tell why they were taken as first overalls. You look at Laf play and it's like " man that draft must have been weak" as the only reason he was drafted first overall.
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Your question doesn't account for players who received less minutes and still finished with a better production over 60.
Kakko had 1 less point while receiving nearly 40 less minutes.
Goodrow had half the amount of points in 1/5 the amount of time.
We'll take away Chytil because you'd have to see where his production came from.
Laf was ranked dead last on our team in pp points over 60 and was given more opportunities than the others.
1st Powerplay point. Assisted w/ Kakko on Chytil's goal.
2nd powerplay point G- Assisted by Trocheck, Chytil
3rd powerplay point. G - Assisted by Troubta, Tarasenko
4th powerplay point. G - Assisted by Fox/Panarin.
Shadowtron
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The Rangers always find a way to get it wrong lol. Either by choice or just sheer godawful luck. Laf, imo, falls into that latter category. Rangers ping pong ball got the No. 1 pick...in the Patrick Stefan draft lol!!!
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Okay, then I'm not sure why you brought up Bedard and told me they're incomparable, but fine... again, IMO (and yours obviously) Laf is not in Bedard's tier. My point is only about Laf's development into whatever HE might be, not into what Bedard will be, or even what MacKinnon is.
Machinehead
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There's no argument that it's better to get a longer shift on the pp with the top unit. But, let's not completely delude ourselves...it was pointed out already, but Laf ranked the worst of all forwards last season in pp points per 60.
Actually, he's stunk all 3 seasons so far on the pp, both statistically and by the eye test.
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