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Player Discussion Alexis Lafreniere

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TGWL said:
At best (without paying).

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[TD]Player[/TD]
[TD]O-Zone Start %[/TD]
[TD]Shift Count[/TD]
[TD]On-the-fly %[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]Lafreniere[/TD]
[TD]40.9%[/TD]
[TD]157[/TD]
[TD]50.6%[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]Kakko[/TD]
[TD]33.9%[/TD]
[TD]127[/TD]
[TD]55.9%[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]Chytil[/TD]
[TD]35.5%[/TD]
[TD]138[/TD]
[TD]56.5%[/TD]
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Players with 4 points or more with <= Lafreniere's total powerplay time on Ice. (ppp/60)
*Lafreniere ranks 37 out of 37. Which means 36 forwards received less time on ice and scored = or more points. So I am going to just look at the 5 players above him because I don't have time to do the entire list. (ranked from 36-32 ppp/60)
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[TD]Player / Points[/TD]
[TD]O-zone start %[/TD]

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[TD]Shift Count[/TD]
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[TD]On-the-fly %[/TD]
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[TD]Dillon Dube/4[/TD]
[TD]28%[/TD]
[TD]143[/TD]
[TD]62.9%[/TD]
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[TD]Frederick Gaudreau/4[/TD]
[TD]24.2%[/TD]
[TD]149[/TD]
[TD]64.4%[/TD]
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[TD]Nicholas Paul/4[/TD]
[TD]30.8%[/TD]
[TD]146[/TD]
[TD]61%[/TD]
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[TD]JJ Peterka/5[/TD]
[TD]43%[/TD]
[TD]135[/TD]
[TD]51.1%[/TD]
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[TD]Mason Marchment/5[/TD]
[TD]27.4%[/TD]
[TD]135[/TD]
[TD]65.2%[/TD]
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This obviously doesn't really tell anybody where the puck was during those on the fly shifts, or how much time was left in the powerplay. So I didn't bother with neutral zone on the fly shifts. You can look at expected goals while on the ice for the man advantage, but it's really tough to determine which players were fortunate enough to be in the right place, vs actually creating a play while receiving less minutes.
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Thank you. I did not expect you to provide me with stats. It’s appreciated. So we are looking at players all with very scarce scoring on the pp. 6 points or 3 points doesn’t matter much. Does this reflect only shifts that were 30 seconds or under 40 or under any particular amount of time? Because to me that is the biggest part of it, way more so than p/60. Again, I don’t expect you to provide me with stats, you went above and beyond, just wondering what the shift time parameters are if any.
 
bhamill said:
Thank you. I did not expect you to provide me with stats. It’s appreciated. So we are looking at players all with very scarce scoring on the pp. 6 points or 3 points doesn’t matter much. Does this reflect only shifts that were 30 seconds or under 40 or under any particular amount of time? Because to me that is the biggest part of it, way more so than p/60. Again, I don’t expect you to provide me with stats, you went above and beyond, just wondering what the shift time parameters are if any.
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6 points or 3 points doesn't matter much over a long season, no. Do we know if he's really one of the worst powerplay players in the league getting powerplay time? No. It's just really all we have to go by on what we seen vs his peers and other players in the league who receive less minutes and find ways to be more productive.

I can't get that answer. I can get average length, but so can you as that's an easy lookup. :laugh:
I don't know a way to find out how many shifts were 30 seconds or less, vs more than 30/45 seconds, etc. Maybe available on some paid platform but I'm not getting a subscription. This is just raw data for totals and averages.

Stephen valiquette may have the answers you're looking for if you hassle him enough. I'm sure he can tell you how many 10 seconds, 20 seconds, 30 seconds, 40 seconds and so on powerplay shifts he's received compared to the rest of the leagues second unit, but I sadly can do no such thing. :)
 
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TGWL said:
6 points or 3 points doesn't matter much over a long season, no. Do we know if he's really one of the worst powerplay players in the league getting powerplay time? No. It's just really all we have to go by on what we seen vs his peers and other players in the league who receive less minutes and find ways to be more productive.

I can't get that answer. I can get average length, but so can you as that's an easy lookup. :laugh:
I don't know a way to find out how many shifts were 30 seconds or less, vs more than 30/45 seconds, etc. Maybe available on some paid platform but I'm not getting a subscription. This is just raw data for totals and averages.

Stephen valiquette may have the answers you're looking for if you hassle him enough. I'm sure he can tell you how many 10 seconds, 20 seconds, 30 seconds, 40 seconds and so on powerplay shifts he's received compared to the rest of the leagues second unit, but I sadly can do no such thing. :)
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Ha you’re probably right about Vally.
 
Profet said:
But Kreider has always done things that Laf does not.

His speed has been terrifying at times. It keeps the defense back. It makes the opposing team play defensive even with the puck.

Laf does not bring that (or anything else) to the table.


Can we stop... please?
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One underrated thing about kreider is how often he is willing to not only chip the puck in deep but also go in and get it. He very consistently will make the other teams defense turn around to retrieve pucks. It's not sexy at all, but when teams consistently do it it will soften the defense up at the blue line and it will wear them out if you constantly work them in that manner. One of our biggest team issues is that generally don't play with enough pace to effectively wear teams out by making their d-turn around and retrieve pucks. Most of the rest of the roster will chip it and then watch the D Go back and set for a controlled breakout which doesn't accomplish a damn thing. Of all the things to complain about with this roster in this team, number 20 is one of the last things right now especially based on his cap hit. And as he ages he's probably still going to remain a 30 goal scorer based on how good he is in front of the net which is a completely dying art in the sport.
 
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will1066 said:
Best thing Lav can do right now is give him confidence and tell him it's OK to try things and make mistakes. And don't try to be Bedard. Play the game the way he can.
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He's been making mistakes for 3 years, the best thing that the coach could do is say I need consistent effort from you above everything else. People will be disappointed in stats but I think the thing that drives most people insane is that while watching him play there is a level of laziness in his game where and he's consistently on the outside of puck battles and not that checking effectively and just generally out worked by the opposition. He shows and spurts that when he wants to he can engage and he can win those battles and put that little bit of extra effort in that makes a difference. It's absolutely infuriating to watch him play and not do it on a more consistent basis, bluntly it's unacceptable. Above all this kid needs to put in a consistent effort...
 
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One underrated thing about kreider is how often he is willing to not only chip the puck in deep but also go in and get it. He very consistently will make the other teams defense turn around to retrieve pucks. It's not sexy at all, but when teams consistently do it it will soften the defense up at the blue line and it will wear them out if you constantly work them in that manner. One of our biggest team issues is that generally don't play with enough pace to effectively wear teams out by making their d-turn around and retrieve pucks. Most of the rest of the roster will chip it and then watch the D Go back and set for a controlled breakout which doesn't accomplish a damn thing. Of all the things to complain about with this roster in this team, number 20 is one of the last things right now especially based on his cap hit. And as he ages he's probably still going to remain a 30 goal scorer based on how good he is in front of the net which is a completely dying art in the sport.
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meanwhile during tampa's first game of this season i saw on one play kucherov, stamkos and point by the board battling for that puck. imagine that - skilled guys doing dirty work. but nah that's just something that's beyond 13's realm.
 
I think I’ve mentioned it before, but I think a good comparison we can hope for Laf to become is on the same level as Filip Forsberg. Forsberg’s first two years in NA were terrible, and then he really took off in his first year with Laviolette as coach (Forsberg’s D+3). I’m not saying they’re stylistically similar players at all, but I’m talking in terms of NHL impact.

Laf definitely has to put in the work to get there, but I’m hoping that Laviolette’s structure and hands-on approach helps him too. It starts with confidence, and he’s in a great spot to produce playing with Panarin, which he did last year for the first month. He was leading the team in ixGF/60 and iCF/60, and I think having him be more of a shooter will help his game take another step. Then Gallant thought they weren’t playing defense and started f***ing with it all.

Laf needs to put in the work, but he’s got the opportunity to do it. I hope for all of us he seizes it and doesn’t look back.
 
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QB scored last night as well. Things are coming up Millhouse.

Can someone "tweet" the goal here, please?
 
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