Player Discussion Alexis Lafreniere

[TGWL]

So where did Laf go in everyone’s fantasy draft?

In my main he went in the 22nd round, (last round) 262 overall. 3rd to last pick. (drafted by a NYR fan)
In my second he went 19th round.
*These are not keeper leagues.

 

[PANARIN BREAD FAN]

In my main he went in the 22nd round, (last round) 262 overall. 3rd to last pick. (drafted by a NYR fan)
In my second he went 19th round.
*These are not keeper leagues.

hope not that any of them were auction leagues. it would suck to have to fork up $1 for that privilege.

 

[Sayba]

He’s like Vesey with better passing

I compared him to Vesey his rookie season and got destroyed on these boards.

 

[mas0764]

the waiver talk is borderline idiotic.

Not even borderline

 

[EdJovanovski]

So where did Laf go in everyone’s fantasy draft?

In the HFNYR Fantasy League which is a keeper, he went undrafted. Also do a GM Game where we bid on players by auction on main boards, out of 22 teams filling full 20 man rosters... only 1 guy even bid on Laf, bidding the minimum of 1M with a 100M salary cap

 

[NickyFotiu]

Something that scares me about Lafreniere going forward is there is one school of thought that he hasn't seen the success we expected because he wasn't afforded the opportunities of a first overall. However, if you believe that he has been given extra leeway because the organization wants him to succeed, what happens when that dries up?

Guys have an opportunity to show their skills everytime they get on the ice. It doesn't just happen when playing on the first line and your 18th minute of a game. Guys can show their talents on 3rd line on their very first shift. Guys can show their talents in practice. Show your talent. When you do that coaches will want you on the ice more and more.

No no...

I'm saying that he is a mid... dime a dozen third liner. You can't change that with a summer of training.

If you have the talent and desire a full summer of training can make a huge difference imo. If you don't have the underlying talent then not so much.

 

[duhmetreE]

the waiver talk is borderline idiotic.

It’s beyond that

 

[Irishguy42]

Lafreniere wouldn't clear waivers. Stop. He wouldn't even make it past Anaheim or Chicago.

Laf+Bedard+Kane about to drop the hottest album of the 2023-2024 season, easily.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

The league knows. I think he could be sent down and no team would pick him up on waivers because reasons (yes really). He is the NYR's headache for better and worse.

Best we can do is give him time to get back on track and see what he looks like later in the season/next playoffs. If he can get his focus straight and realize he has to work his socks off for any future success there's still a player there. If he keeps floating and being lost/disengaged/a step behind or outside the play he'll go down Gurianov's path before long and that would suck. And it will get ugly which nobody wants.

e: maybe some team would grab him off waivers to give him a shot, but I don't think many would.

Come on this is what I'm talking about, you really believe nobody would claim him? Gimme a break. There's gotta be a happy medium here where you can say you aren't excited about what he's shown so far but realize that a current 40 point former 21 year old 1st round pick who could turn into something more would actually have value in the nhl. People have lost their minds with this.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I compared him to Vesey his rookie season and got destroyed on these boards.

As you should have.

 

[ReddestRum]

As you should have.

There are defenders here comparing him to Mackinnon, even after Mack's 63 point rookie season. Even after Mack was injured the next few seasons afterwards with a broken foot. Like, literally comparing injured Mack's numbers to Laf's numbers. At the point, any comparison should be game.

 

[NickyFotiu]

There are defenders here comparing him to Mackinnon, even after Mack's 63 point rookie season. Even after Mack was injured the next few seasons afterwards with a broken foot. Like, literally comparing injured Mack's numbers to Laf's numbers. At the point, any comparison should be game.

Ive said this 1000 times. People are too wrapped up in point stats. Equal point stats does not mean equal impact on games.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

There are defenders here comparing him to Mackinnon, even after Mack's 63 point rookie season. Even after Mack was injured the next few seasons afterwards with a broken foot. Like, literally comparing injured Mack's numbers to Laf's numbers. At the point, any comparison should be game.

Again this is what I'm talking about , people are nuts with this. The guy is about to turn 22, had a great career until he got here so there could be a chance he does more as he ages. Would i have loved to see him be the next Mackinnon, well ya, but imo he was always at his peak prediction a level below him and more likely a Huberdeau comparable. He's started slow, it doesn't mean he's not gonna be a real good player for is. Everyone here has to meet in the middle, sure we've been waiting for a #1 draft pick like the pens got in Crosby, we didn't get that guy, our 2OA pick has been disappointing as well but imo that's a symptom of icing a playoff team and trying to develop young players on the fly. I'd love if the haters would pull to the middle and the "MacKinnon" comparable guys as well and realize that he's not waiver wire terrible, far from it, but he's a long way off from where he should be, and may still get to. The whole thread is ridiculous

 

[ReddestRum]

Ive said this 1000 times. People are too wrapped up in point stats. Equal point stats does not mean equal impact on games.

I've also mentioned this before when people like to compare his stats to other players at his age (even older players and their younger stats). You also have to take into account what line, minutes, and talent that's playing opposite that player. If someone says that Laf's stats are comparable to x player, then you have to ask yourself, was that player playing in the Top 6 against Top 6 talent and if that's the case, does Laf get the same amount of points he's gotten on the 3rd line against bottom 6 opposition if in the past he was playing against top lines in the league. Personally, I say not a chance in hell.

Again this is what I'm talking about , people are nuts with this. The guy is about to turn 22, had a great career until he got here so there could be a chance he does more as he ages. Would i have loved to see him be the next Mackinnon, well ya, but imo he was always at his peak prediction a level below him and more likely a Huberdeau comparable. He's started slow, it doesn't mean he's not gonna be a real good player for is. Everyone here has to meet in the middle, sure we've been waiting for a #1 draft pick like the pens got in Crosby, we didn't get that guy, our 2OA pick has been disappointing as well but imo that's a symptom of icing a playoff team and trying to develop young players on the fly. I'd love if the haters would pull to the middle and the "MacKinnon" comparable guys as well and realize that he's not waiver wire terrible, far from it, but he's a long way off from where he should be, and may still get to. The whole thread is ridiculous

I hear you. I'm just disappointed. Never said trade him. Never said he was a bust. However, how long are people willing to wait on players that might never mature into the game. Once the core goes away and there's a gaping hole in team points, it's the kids that will shoulder the team eventually and will need to fill in. That's why you're happy to get those high drat picks because those guys have a great chance of being franchise players and the face of the team.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I've also mentioned this before when people like to compare his stats to other players at his age (even older players and their younger stats). You also have to take into account what line, minutes, and talent that's playing opposite that player. If someone says that Laf's stats are comparable to x player, then you have to ask yourself, was that player playing in the Top 6 against Top 6 talent and if that's the case, does Laf get the same amount of points he's gotten on the 3rd line against bottom 6 opposition if in the past he was playing against top lines in the league. Personally, I say not a chance in hell.



I hear you. I'm just disappointed. Never said trade him. Never said he was a bust. However, how long are people willing to wait on players that might never mature into the game. Once the core goes away and there's a gaping hole in team points, it's the kids that will shoulder the team eventually and will need to fill in. That's why you're happy to get those high drat picks because those guys have a great chance of being franchise players and the face of the team.

For sure I get all that, but even if he doesn't turn into a Huberdeau type player it doesn't mean he's worthless. It just means he won't be chewing up much of the cap and we'll have to add players. I still think he has potential to be a top 6 winger who gets close to a point a game if he's provided opportunity, because for me his biggest issue is confidence

 

[Waterbuf]

Is this weenis even going to be healthy to start the season?

 

[RangersFan1994]

Is this weenis even going to be healthy to start the season?

Another soft out of shape lazy hockey player. Doubt it.

 

[JHS]

Has anyone got any news on how Lavi plans on using our prestigious top overall pick? Wondering specifically if we can expect some healthy scratches, or vital offensive zone starts with Nick Bonino or any of his other 4th line pluggers? Wondering about how he might gel with Jimmy Vesey on the 4th line? A Laf,Bonino,Vesey 4th line may not seem like a lot on paper but it’s got to rank in the top 90% of 4th lines in the NHL- especially with a top overall pick on it…

2 days before the season starts and I’m not sure I’ve ever been less excited to watch a player and maybe an entire team than I am this one.

 

[Priorae]

I don’t think the training argument holds water at all.

It’s just an excuse we’re all throwing out there because it feels like it can be corrected and obscures the sad truth: he’s just not very good and probably will never be.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Has anyone got any news on how Lavi plans on using our prestigious top overall pick? Wondering specifically if we can expect some healthy scratches, or vital offensive zone starts with Nick Bonino or any of his other 4th line pluggers? Wondering about how he might gel with Jimmy Vesey on the 4th line? A Laf,Bonino,Vesey 4th line may not seem like a lot on paper but it’s got to rank in the top 90% of 4th lines in the NHL- especially with a top overall pick on it…

2 days before the season starts and I’m not sure I’ve ever been less excited to watch a player and maybe an entire team than I am this one.

I think Laf will start on the 2nd or 3rd line. Where he starts is not that important. Things can change quickly. Laf could come out to start the season hot. Lets give him a chance. Also I think fans should watch Chytil, KK, and Cuylle as 3 other guys that can possibly take a step up. Laf is not our only young forward.

 

[mas0764]

I’m gonna call 48 points for Laf this year and people will rightfully still be disappointed. But that he will still be marching towards Chris Kreider career trajectory.

 

[NickyFotiu]

I’m gonna call 48 points for Laf this year and people will rightfully still be disappointed. But that he will still be marching towards Chris Kreider career trajectory.

CK has basically been a 50 point scorer for the majority of his career. If you put aside his lowest and highest years its nearly a straight line around 50 points per 82 games.

 

[Profet]

CK has basically been a 50 point scorer for the majority of his career. If you put aside his lowest and highest years its nearly a straight line around 50 points per 82 games.

But Kreider has always done things that Laf does not.

His speed has been terrifying at times. It keeps the defense back. It makes the opposing team play defensive even with the puck.

Laf does not bring that (or anything else) to the table.


Can we stop... please?

 

[PANARIN BREAD FAN]

i just took out the thick heavy blanket yesterday from storage as the weather has been heading towards the direction of temps bordering winter. ever notice after lying on say your right side you then switch to your left and it get real cold? annoying yeah?

well since more than likely 13 won't be paired with ck he can keep a spot on the bench real toasty for ck to enjoy after a shift change. that ass is so frumpy n wide ck won't have to worry about any cold spots being present. 13 can be very useful in that regard.

 

[NickyFotiu]

But Kreider has always done things that Laf does not.

His speed has been terrifying at times. It keeps the defense back. It makes the opposing team play defensive even with the puck.

Laf does not bring that (or anything else) to the table.


Can we stop... please?

Yes they were very different players when CK was younger. When CK was younger he used his speed much more as a threat to score off the rush.