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[mas0764]

...no, actually...

If the goal is to win the Cup...teams will put the best team that they can on the ice to win NOW. Not the best team X years from now

No, that’s not true.

What do you think rebuilding is? You trade away present for future assets.

It is factually incorrect to say the goal is always to put the best team on the ice. It isn’t.

The goal is to win a Cup. Sometimes taking a step back helps you take two steps forward.

 

[Irishguy42]

They also will recognize sunk costs and not try to force feed busts ice time because of draft position

Drury would never. Oh wait.

 

[mas0764]

They also will recognize sunk costs and not try to force feed busts ice time because of draft position.

A smart organization doesn’t usually have two top-2 selections and four top-10 selections bust in a row because it realizes that development isn’t “force feeding” ice time, it’s development.

It may be too late here though.

 

[Irishguy42]

It is factually incorrect to say the goal is always to put the best team on the ice. It isn’t.

Nope. Literally every NHL is putting forward the best team they can on the ice, regardless of prospects.

Sure, they are looking like...2-3 years ahead and being like "we need Player X or Player Y here" but vast majority of the roster...they are doing what the cap will allow that year.

 

[mas0764]

Nope. Literally every NHL is putting forward the best team they can on the ice, regardless of prospects.

Sure, they are looking like...2-3 years ahead and being like "we need Player X or Player Y here" but vast majority of the roster...they are doing what the cap will allow that year.

What you are saying is simply false. We watched it happen here. We had the players to be a better team and we affirmatively traded them away to get future assets, thus not putting the best team we could on the ice.

I think what you are trying to say is that all competing teams at least put their best team on the ice, but I’d even say that’s probably not always true either.

 

[ORRFForever]

How did he look tonight?

 

[mrmovies779]

How did he look tonight?

Had a few chances including a breakaway,but no points.

 

[ReddestRum]

How did he look tonight?

He had chances and didn't cash.

Dude is so hot and cold that he could be the spokesman for icy hot. Lol. Scores a goal in the opener and has three shots in that game. Goes three games without a point, a -4, and 1 shot on goal in those three games. Then scores a goal in three straight games, has a +3, and has 6 SOG in those games. Now he's at two games without a point currently with one SOG in each of those games. He played the most minutes of the season tonight.

 

[Vito Andolini]

How did he look tonight?

Like what he is....a decent complimentary middle 6 player.

 

[Cuckoo4Kakko]

How did he look tonight?

He’s looking confident.

 

[mrmovies779]

He’s looking confident.

And much more engaged

 

[ReddestRum]

And much more engaged

And needs to shoot more because when he shoots he seems to score early this season.

 

[ORRFForever]

He's a hard player to root for. Thanks for the input, boys.

 

[Waterbuf]

Fact is nobody really piles up points in the NHL without PP1 time.
You can see it in these score sheets its always Panarin, Ziba, Fox, and sometimes Kreider getting the points.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Fact is nobody really piles up points in the NHL without PP1 time.
You can see it in these score sheets its always Panarin, Ziba, Fox, and sometimes Kreider getting the points.

Didn't Pasternak have like 40 (or 45?) even strength goals last season?

 

[TGWL]

Like what he is....a decent complimentary middle 6 player.

He was kinda' meh tonight if we're being honest. I think without Chytil cooking it's going to be a little different for him. When you got Panarin and Chytil looking great, he's going to find room to make a lot more plays.

Fact is nobody really piles up points in the NHL without PP1 time.
You can see it in these score sheets its always Panarin, Ziba, Fox, and sometimes Kreider getting the points.

Yeah but when people ask how did he look, they don't mean "Did he get a point."

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

Didn't Pasternak have like 40 (or 45?) even strength goals last season?

David Pastrnak is the best goal scorer in the league and was a Hart finalist

 

[ReddestRum]

Fact is nobody really piles up points in the NHL without PP1 time.
You can see it in these score sheets its always Panarin, Ziba, Fox, and sometimes Kreider getting the points.

You don't have to be lighting it up on the PP to be a 50+ player. There are quite a few players of all ages that are in the teens-of-points (or less) in PPP, but are even strength beasts. I think everyone wants Laf to reach at least 50 this season, which would be a feat not to reach if Panarin keeps playing his lights out.

 

[huerter]

No, that’s not true.

What do you think rebuilding is? You trade away present for future assets.

It is factually incorrect to say the goal is always to put the best team on the ice. It isn’t.

The goal is to win a Cup. Sometimes taking a step back helps you take two steps forward.

The goal is transformative excellence. The cup is just a chunk of metal awarded for winning an arbitrary format.

 

[NickyFotiu]

David Pastrnak is the best goal scorer in the league and was a Hart finalist

So elite players do score 5 on 5?

 

[McRanger]

So elite players do score 5 on 5?

Elite players usually score 20-30 goals at 5v5, though sometimes less. 30+ goals at 5v5 is rare.

Pastranak scored 30+ at 5v5 once, last year. Crosby has done it once in his career. Ovechkin, the greatest scorer of this century with 8 50+ goal seasons in 16 years, has done it twice. McDavid has done it twice. The year Kreider scored 50 goals he had 20 at 5v5.

Its nearly impossible to put up elite production without PP1 time.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Elite players usually score 20-30 goals at 5v5, though sometimes less. 30+ goals at 5v5 is rare.

Pastranak scored 30+ at 5v5 once, last year. Crosby has done it once in his career. Ovechkin, the greatest scorer of this century with 8 50+ goal seasons in 16 years, has done it twice. McDavid has done it twice. The year Kreider scored 50 goals he had 20 at 5v5.

Its impossible to put up elite production without PP1 time.

Johnny Gaudreau put up 90 points at even strength in 2021-22.

Pasternack put up 43 goals at even strength in 2022-23.

The "impossible" is possible.

 

[bleedblue94]

No, that’s not true.

What do you think rebuilding is? You trade away present for future assets.

It is factually incorrect to say the goal is always to put the best team on the ice. It isn’t.

The goal is to win a Cup. Sometimes taking a step back helps you take two steps forward.

This is only relevant if the ownership is okay forfeiting revenues. Most are not. Dolan was for a short time but he clearly wants the playoffs revenues. I think they land about 1.5m per home playoff game. He is a businessman and he wants his money

 

[bhamill]

If he's not on PP1 he's being held back. Not sure how that's not blatantly obvious. If he's not on PP1 that's a huge opportunity he's not getting. I don't care what anyone thinks Trocheck's value is to that unit. Hint: it's not much. However, Laffy isn't on that unit like his peers so he's being held back. Not sure how or why that needs an explanation. It's logic.

I see what you are saying, but he's not being "held back" for the sake of being "held back." The PP1 group is clicking and I understand not wanting to mess with that. Hopefully, when the team has a lead, PP2 will get proportionally more time to help with development and confidence. Winning and development is a balancing act. NYR don't want to sacrifice either for the other. Keeping Fil, Laf and Pan together is the move though.

 

[NYR Viper]

Johnny Gaudreau put up 90 points at even strength in 2021-22.

Pasternack put up 43 goals at even strength in 2022-23.

The "impossible" is possible.

Generally, if it's done, it's done by like 1-4 players in a given season. Expecting that to be an expectation is the part that is absurd. Could it be done? Sure. Could any child turn in to Elon Musk? Sure. But the odds aren't good and therefore if it doesn't happen, should that be considered a failure?