I don’t see any hate for Laf. I see people who are really disappointed and/or really concerned. I have never seen anyone who seems to dislike Laf. I think everyone wants Laf to be a star because he’s likable. Being open to moving him while his value is high, or saying that it’s not 100% valid to excuse his season to date based on things like usage alone isn’t hatred. Just because a player isn’t deemed untouchable or immune to criticism doesn’t mean someone hates them.
Player Discussion Alexis Lafrenière
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DanielBrassard
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One has nothing to do with the other unless you imagine Lafreniere would be playing on the 4th line with Hunt and Rooney.
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I see some of that, probably more of that than venom. But also I see a lot of hate. Sometimes it’s pretty relentless too.
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“Alexis is not out from bad play, it has nothing to do with that,” Gallant said of the 20-year-old winger. “He’s a young guy and he looks a little bit tired lately.
“He hasn’t played an 82-game schedule before, so it’s nothing to jump the ship about. He’ll be back in the next game.”
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“He hasn’t played an 82-game schedule before, so it’s nothing to jump the ship about. He’ll be back in the next game.”
Alexis Lafreniere’s absence highlights Rangers’ looming third-line conundrum
PHILADELPHIA — The Rangers found a productive third-line connection between Filip Chytil and Kaapo Kakko on Wednesday in a 4-0 victory over the depleted and dreadful Flyers, but Alexis Lafreniere w…
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ReddestRum
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If Laf is inserted back into the lineup for the Saturday game against another bottom feeder team, after K2's game, Laf better play his best game of the season. It's just not a good look for the 3rd line to perform like that in his absence.
PainForShane
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Hi everyone, Yotes fan here (yes, we exist), I come in peace. Though I did grow up in Jersey and watched a lot of Rangers games on MSG network in the mid 90s, have a ton of respect for what Mess did in game 6 of that series against the Devils.
Anyway am wondering what you'd think about a offseason trade Laf for Chychrun, basically 1 for 1 (maybe a 2nd rounder going in either direction if needed). Personally I don't want to trade Chychrun, he's a very good player, only 24 (ie same age as Fox) and cost controlled, but with this many trade rumors maybe there's something to them.
I was thinking that Chych / Fox / Shesterkin would be unstoppable over the next 5 years at least, this also gives you a legit Stanley cup window with Kreider, Zib, Panarin all getting older, also Chych is only 4.6m so should be able to fit under the cap. Laf is still developing (way too early to call him a bust) but undeniably years away, you may or may not have those years given those three guys are all 28+ and might not still be elite by the time Laf is ready. And for us, we're so far away that a few extra years is probably a positive.
I also think Chych's style would fit with Fox's, Chych is also great in transition and plays simply in the O-zone, he basically makes simple passes or just takes hard shots from the point. My guess is Fox is smart enough to be able to use / feed off that style of play to help open up your forwards even more (and also make sure Chychrun stays at that 10-15G a year mark).
What do you guys think? Imo biggest potential hurdle for Chychrun is his injury history (which is a large potential flag) but I'm happy to discuss if you want more info on him. Thx and good luck in the playoffs this year!
Anyway am wondering what you'd think about a offseason trade Laf for Chychrun, basically 1 for 1 (maybe a 2nd rounder going in either direction if needed). Personally I don't want to trade Chychrun, he's a very good player, only 24 (ie same age as Fox) and cost controlled, but with this many trade rumors maybe there's something to them.
I was thinking that Chych / Fox / Shesterkin would be unstoppable over the next 5 years at least, this also gives you a legit Stanley cup window with Kreider, Zib, Panarin all getting older, also Chych is only 4.6m so should be able to fit under the cap. Laf is still developing (way too early to call him a bust) but undeniably years away, you may or may not have those years given those three guys are all 28+ and might not still be elite by the time Laf is ready. And for us, we're so far away that a few extra years is probably a positive.
I also think Chych's style would fit with Fox's, Chych is also great in transition and plays simply in the O-zone, he basically makes simple passes or just takes hard shots from the point. My guess is Fox is smart enough to be able to use / feed off that style of play to help open up your forwards even more (and also make sure Chychrun stays at that 10-15G a year mark).
What do you guys think? Imo biggest potential hurdle for Chychrun is his injury history (which is a large potential flag) but I'm happy to discuss if you want more info on him. Thx and good luck in the playoffs this year!
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Goodrow has to go to the fourth line. You can't play Chytil, Laf or Kakko there.
Good news - the fourth line is where Goodrow is best anyway.
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Rejected before you can even finish the sentence. Hung up on. Injury done to franchise-to-franchise relations.
Offer the first overall pick, if you win it, and Chychrun, and then I'll start thinking about what else you can offer that might be a deal I'd possibly consider. Chychrun is good, but he is not even a true elite first pair D like Fox is or Miller might be someday.
We aren't trading Lafreniere unless there is Nathan MacKinnon or Auston Matthews on the table.
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Understood but his strength is generally to be a no-impact player. When he's on the ice, historically, not just this season, nothing happens. That's his value, he's a shut down of any offense player.
That doesn't generally mesh well with trying to get kids to develop their offense. Yes, he can function as the defensively responsible adult on a line otherwise populated with kids but I don't really think that's his best use when Kakko is already a grown ass man defensively and possibly actually already better than Goodrow at defense.
Goodrow would be one of the league's best fourth liners. Rooney on steroids, and then given more steroids. That's where the Rangers would get a talent/matchup edge.
I don't think he's an offensive plus for that third line, but the third line needs that.
Frankly, I'd mix it up further. I'd go Panarin - Copp - Kakko and Lafreniere - Strome - Chytil. But either way Goodrow goes to the fourth line and anchors it.
Crease
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Goodrow is definitely closer to Moore than Brassard. I don’t like him as a center for the kids.
The club has decided it’s in win now mode, which means prioritizing Strome, Copp, and Vatrano over Laf, Kakko, and Chytil. It is what it is.
The club has decided it’s in win now mode, which means prioritizing Strome, Copp, and Vatrano over Laf, Kakko, and Chytil. It is what it is.
PainForShane
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You really see Laf at the same level as MacK and AM34? If we win the 1OA this year, I'll keep Shane Wright and offer you perspective instead. Actually wait, here is some perspective for free.
100% agree that Chych's currently a level below Makar / Fox, he's currently a good 2nd pair who has elite games occasionally rather than every game like Fox. At 24 I think he'll get elite or close to it sooner rather than later if he stays healthy, but who really knows. A player like that is obviously not worth as much as an Auston Matthews or Nathan MacKinnon (or even Connor McDavid), no one would ever say he was.
Lafrieniere? That is what I am asking.
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While I think he still has that potential, no, I don't think he will be at that level if I had to project right now, but why would I trade him for less than or equal to what I think he will be? I'm only trading him for MORE than I think he'll be.
Chychrun is less than Lafreniere as an asset by far. Far, far.
You are letting ignorant main board hot takes influence your perspective on Lafreniere. Lafreniere gets zero power play time because the team is stacked. He rarely gets any minutes on the top two lines. This isn't because he sucks, it's because the Rangers are stacked at wing, left wing in particular.
His 5v5 metrics match up very favorably to guys like Huberdeau and MacKinnon their first handful of years.
So again, do I think he will be them? I'll say no right now.
But I think he still ends up a 70-80 point stud with an edge to his game.
I don't need your perspective. We aren't gonna let you steal Alexis Lafreniere for your rebuild fodder. Chychrun is not a franchise first pair defender. He is a good player but he is probably way closer to Trouba than Fox.
Hard pass on your 1-for-1 suggestion, and I'm not taking calls from you anymore for a while.
How about this, I'll give you Zac Jones and a second for Chychrun at 50%. Two more assets for you and you clear a little cap space. No? Think you can do better? Same here.
Right, so why would the Rangers trade a potential franchise winger for a second pair defender when we already have two solid ones of those and more guys who profile like that on the way (Nils, Jones, Robertson, etc)?
You don't have anything we need unless it's a franchise center. The conversation for Lafreniere starts with Shane Wright, if you win the right to select him.
Starts there. There's no guarantee Wright is any better in the NHL so I'll need a lot of sweetener. I'll take Barrett Hayton and Chychrun too and then maybe we have a deal.
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This right here.
I mean I get people being frustrated and wanting to trade him, but if you do that now you wont be getting value. So why do it? Just because you wanted him scoring .70 ppg by this point? We all did, but that doesn't mean you "give him away."
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Right, exactly.
He's a high end shut down player. He's not a scoring line center.
That third line should be another scoring line for us. Kakko gives it defensive legitimacy.
We have an elite goalie so we shouldn't be sweating bullets over defensive prowess.
PainForShane
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Of course you don't give him away -- Laf is a potential / likely point a game guy who already has an edge, Chychrun is a potential / likely 1D who is already a good 2nd pair (on any team, 1st pair on many) and has an elite shot. If you are on a win-now timeline Chych fits that better than Laf, Laf fits our win-later (ever?) timeline better.
If you guys think I'm completely out to lunch (sounds like you do), that's fine and all the info I was looking for. Thanks for the input!
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I wish Gallant would have scratched him in the beginning of the year instead of waiting until this point.
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so "sincerity" is the arbitrary criterion... I can fake that.
In any case, until the board filters out "insincerity," they are still part of the ecosystem, and there's no sure way of saying who is serious and who is not.
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