Player Discussion Alexis Lafrenière
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bleedblue94
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One thing that really gets brought up when looking at these kind of things though is that usually in the first 6 to 8 weeks of the season it's a little bit of an offensive free for all. Most teams are still trying to figure out where players fit in their lineup and also settling to new defensive structures and whatnot. By the time you get past New Year's it's like a whole new league because most teams have settled into much more structured play and it's different/ harder for teams too create the same type of offense and times. It changes again once the playoffs start. I'm not trying to dismiss the information in the post, but I think it's also pertinent to objectively look at it along with when during the season it was. This isn't specific to just last year, league is always very loose defensively at the start of the season and gradually tightens up his season comes by. All that being said, it would potentially be good to look at that group again and see what they could do when the game is at a different level. I also see a lot of information on opportunities but if you have a player that's not converting opportunities it's pulling down the other two it makes it hard to keep them there and not force a change. That's a big part of why laffy needs to figure it out and start being able to contribute and convert more because part of the reason that the line was broken up was defensive issues, maybe those defensive issues don't stand out as much if they're scoring more goals versus just generating chances.
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But the point is Laf was playing well on RW and then GG changed it
Yes but give it time to see if they can correct the defensive issues and you gotta think law of averages say they would’ve started converting those HDC
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Well I don't disagree with you on limiting the defensive damage, but I think that it's one of those situations where if you don't think that there's a player there that can convert those opportunities with any regularity then you start to look for other options. Now obviously vesey isn't the kind of guy that you want in that spot but I think that the point was that at the time they were separated the team felt that Vinny and bread were good together but needed the right third component and that player either needed to help shore up that group defensively or be able to more effectively convert the scoring chances. I mean not to labor a long-standing point around here but we've all been wanting that kid to produce, and if he's getting those kind of opportunities and there's still no production then at what point is it starting to fall into the definition of insanity to just keep leaving him in these spots but no material growth on the production side. Now I'm not saying that he won't get better, I've never said that, but this kid has been gifted these opportunities and at some point you need to start putting the puck into the net to justify your spot before they're going to move on to other options. I just hope for everybody's sake we finally see that big step this year, but the reality is that a lot of that is going to be dependent on what he actually is doing right now this summer. I think we're going to know a lot by the end of training camp based on what kind of physical conditioning shows up in and what role the coach sees for him right off the bat. It's year four for the kid, so if he can't hold down the top six spot at this point in some manner the team's going to end up looking to cut bait soon
LaffyTaffyNYR
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This should be a make or break year for him but put him in the best spot to succeed at least half the season and leave it alone. The Rangers will be in a playoff spot at TDL no matter who’s up top
I think that's been changing lately. I agree that it used to be pretty loosey goosey in the beginning but more and more teams are coming out of the gates going strong and trying to bank points.
IMO it was the vets not pulling their weight very well at the start of last season but hte kids paid the price as they were demoted and Gallant stuck with line pairings that continued to struggle until law of averages came around and some pucks went in
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That shot share looks good but are the rest of those numbers really “ridiculous”? Not that I against trying this line.
BobMarleyNYR
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HE wasn't, THEY were. He said he's "good enough" for off-wing... perhaps but he executes more slowly than Goodrow there.
Machinehead
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This would just be piss poor asset management even if we did rebuild again.
What rebuilding team wouldn't take a flier on a 21 year old?
TheGortonConspiracy
Wow its a nice GM
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bleedblue94
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I would like to see data of goals per game by month in the league. I recall (and a quick look of some teams) seeing putting 4+ averages up in October and November. By the time new years hits thing usually settle down and you don't see football scores anymore. Would like to see the revenant data though.
Agreed, this is what I said last year. They needed to just grind and commit to roles for he and kakko and let them finally grow into them, but unfortunately the coach believed his job was simply to win games and not develop players. When turk said their time would come I guess he meant their time was after he was fired? Ha
LORDE
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You don't think the home team media know about the players on any team???
That's completely ridiculous. Their whole lives are covering the team, in this case the NYR (& Knicks obv). To say nothing of the things they hear & don't or won't report to keep things quiet or under wraps.
I'd believe them over whatever Drury or Gallant says in public lol
But you can call it vitriol if you want. Nothing I say will change anything anyway. I maintain that the on ice results bear themselves out.
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Don't be worried. The annual dreaded offer sheet against the NYR never happens. Many years we see a Larry offer sheet article but in reality you will see a ET before an offer sheet.
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Cautionary tale. Mika was a 6OA, a high draft pick. He scored 46 points (14 on the pp) in his D+4 (which Laf is entering now, having scored 39 points (4 on the pp) in his D+3). If Laf doesn't reach 50 points this coming season I'll be shocked. Mika scored 51 in his D+5. That was apparently HIS make or break year... until Ottawa traded him to us and he broke out in his D+8... and Mika isn't a player that depends much on physical strength and being at least equal to the opposition in that regard. Those players usually take longer.
I'm not guaranteeing Laf will have the same timeline or a similar upside, BUT... I'm saying we better be DAMN careful. My more specific point being, if we do trade him we BETTER get a real overpayment (compared to his performance to date) as insurance against this kind of thing. And since I doubt that happens... there is no upside to trading him. At worst he'll probably be a physical second liner by 24 scoring 60 points and throwing close to 200 hits. Those players aren't common either.
And yes I know that's not all you want from a 1OA, but that doesn't change that he will still be a very good NHLer at floor.
But what part of this organization makes you think that developing players is top priority?
The owner is a well known buffoon and has no patience.
The GM loads up on vets each trade deadline and likely knows that he's getting close to being fired.
The coach is walking onto a job where his predecessor was canned because the team couldn't beat a superior opponent in the 1st round. Nor does he have some stellar record of player development.
And the players are mostly vet led. Our youngest core skater, Fox, doesn't even wear a letter because there's like 10 vets in front of him that are supposed leaders and wear the C & A's.
This is a win now team. Whoever the coach trusts to do the job is going to play.
Laughing at “loads up on vets at the TDL” like it’s some shocking thing
Most playoff bound teams load up on vet players to shore up holes in their team. That’s not a bad move as long as you don’t completely sell your farm and picks to do it, and Drury hasn’t done that yet
Most playoff bound teams load up on vet players to shore up holes in their team. That’s not a bad move as long as you don’t completely sell your farm and picks to do it, and Drury hasn’t done that yet
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Giving up two firsts when we had no real chance to win it all due to terrible 5v5 play is a pretty bad move.
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I never said it was a priority, but i am saying that it is a fatal flaw for this org. you can grab whatever players you want from wherever, but if you are going to keep these guys on the roster then you need to develop them. if you dont want to develop them then trade them and get lower upside pieces that can contribute in the roles you need. at this point it just seems like an org that doesnt want to have traded their 1oa and 2oa, almost like that idiot arte moreno with the angles not wanting to trade ohtani before he walks as a free agent bc he doesnt want to be remembered as the team/owner that traded a historical player. laffy and kakko are decorations right now for this team when they should have been foundations
NickyFotiu
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I think this season we only gave up our extra 1st. The other was conditional.
bleedblue94
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the adds this year were idiotic and disjointed from what the team needed other than adding rw's. at the 22 deadline they got players that complimented the voids in the roster. we need the right players, not the best point producers
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He may mean the conditional we lost on Copp the year before as well. Though we were two wins from the finals, which I don't see as "no chance of winning"...
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I mean in back to back years we gave up firsts.
We overachieved, still had to go to two game 7s against backup goalies with teams missing star players, then ran out of gas halfway through the conference final. This was in a year that everything pointed to us being a run of the mill team with a hot goalie. And we didn't even get to the Cup Finals. We barely got past half the required number of wins to be Champs, really.
By all signs including our subsequent campaign, that Conference finals run should be read as an outlier. At least under Gallant. Obviously if Laviolette has them come in and play differently and they all of a sudden turn into a 5v5 juggernaut then we can amend projections.
But it should have been clear to all that giving up firsts was a bad idea.
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jerseyjinx94
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2 wins away from the Stanley cup final and you categorize that as “barely got past half” the amount of wins needed to win the cup. I usually agree with your takes, but that’s a bad spin on it.
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