DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
Where are you getting the idea that he scored 40 points at 5v5? He didn’t even score 40 points in all situations.
Player Discussion Alexis Lafrenière
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DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
He scored 29 and scored 1.61 p/60 which is 3rd line level production. The idea that he’s some sort of exceptional 5v5 producer is false.
LORDE
I am Lorde, YA YA YA
He's not a top-6 forward. I SERIOUSLY wish he were. He's a 3rd liner at best (right now).
Since I have control (if I'm GM) I say "Show me, because your work ethic blows, the results on the ice aren't there. I expect a lot more from you. If you put the work in & these are the results, that's a different story. But you don't. This is a business & right now you're barely treading water."
That's especially true with the cap issues in the league & for this club.
tlk
hARry kane comeS homE
It’s not hate, well can’t speak for others, but it’s criticism from me. I wanted more from our 1stOA, and he did get the opportunities but didn’t do anything with them.
SA16
Sixstring
Careful or you'll get yelled at for using 5v5 vs ES.
TopShelfSnipes
Snipes Like Tarasenkoooo
This. He'll make the team on the 4th line because he has "sandpaper" to his game that'll make his skills translate to that role. Then he can, like, you know, learn about being an NHLer just by being in the room with the Rangers' amazing veterans, and that'll totes mcgotes help his development from the aura of greatness that exudes from the lockers of anyone with more than 5 years of NHL experience.
Then randomly in five years, when the team is finally forced to play him in the Top 6 when expiring contracts and being wedged up against the cap have temporarily hamstrung the team's ability to overpay for marquee free agents, his offensive development won't have suffered at all, of course, and he'll be able to rightfully take his place among Rangers draft picks who've never scored at a point per game pace, but have exceeded the magical 50 point threshold, thus proving once and for all that this organization, in fact, does NOT suck hot ass at developing kids.
Oh wait.
LORDE
I am Lorde, YA YA YA
Great… how’s that worked out for him & us? Kreider is 1000x the player he is. Kreider was a better player than he is in his first season.
Kreider was also 4 years older than Laf in his first real season.
Where he put up 37 points in 66 games. (25 points at even strength)
Laf at the same age just put 35 points at even strength.
So I’d check that 1000% better comment.
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This board: Lafreniere should be more assertive.
Also this board: Lafreniere has no business speaking up.
I mean could I better sum up the way a lot of us talk about this 21 year old D+3 kid?
There are different “standards” for different players, and some of you will only find fault for whatever reasons.
Also, some writer, who makes it a habit to run the player down, SAYING he needs to take off ice work more seriously doesn’t mean that’s the NYR view. Personally I hope he takes it next level, “Kreider Serious” this summer. He needs to elevate his play.
About hitting, only Trocheck among forwards was more proficient at it. He hits in the flow of the play, it’s effective. Even the “misses” interrupt the play and keep the target from rejoining before Laf. He laid a few players out last season as well, particullarly memorable was him separating Okposo from the puck, and probably his senses a bit, out at at center ice. He hits. Only Trocheck hits more. That’s the fact. If you want us to accept that his hitting is somehow lesser than other players hitting, the burden of demonstrating that is on you.
Also this board: Lafreniere has no business speaking up.
I mean could I better sum up the way a lot of us talk about this 21 year old D+3 kid?
There are different “standards” for different players, and some of you will only find fault for whatever reasons.
Also, some writer, who makes it a habit to run the player down, SAYING he needs to take off ice work more seriously doesn’t mean that’s the NYR view. Personally I hope he takes it next level, “Kreider Serious” this summer. He needs to elevate his play.
About hitting, only Trocheck among forwards was more proficient at it. He hits in the flow of the play, it’s effective. Even the “misses” interrupt the play and keep the target from rejoining before Laf. He laid a few players out last season as well, particullarly memorable was him separating Okposo from the puck, and probably his senses a bit, out at at center ice. He hits. Only Trocheck hits more. That’s the fact. If you want us to accept that his hitting is somehow lesser than other players hitting, the burden of demonstrating that is on you.
Crease
Chief Justice of the HFNYR Court
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I want to see Laf and Kakko training montages this off-season. Laf doing weighted sprints. Kakko firing a thousand pucks a day into an old laundry machine.
IronBloodedLion
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I don’t hate the kid at all, and am generally an apologist for our young players, but he’s shown nothing so far.
LORDE
I am Lorde, YA YA YA
Kreider had amazing speed, was physical & went to the dirty areas right out of the gate. He created when he was on the ice. Did he disappear at times? Absolutely.
Find me someone on this board that WOULDN'T sign up for Laf's career to be half of what Kreider's is.
We'd all take it and there's a reason for it. Laf is well on his way to journeyman status no matter how many 5x5 pts people tout.
Synergy27
F-A-C-G-C-E
I assume this is directed at me. I wasn’t “yelling at you”, it was kinda the opposite. You were very bluntly disregarding my use of ES with zero explanation.
I was legitimately asking why you preferred 5v5 over ES. I was attempting to converse with you. You know, like you do on a message board.
So now the argument is “I know in my heart of hearts that Kreider was better than Laf”.
ORRFForever
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LAF playing on a depleted Team Canada that won Gold at the World Championship in May could have done wonders for his confidence. Why wasn't he there?
he's a rfa....as far as i know nobody has played wc's without a contract in place.
there was supposedly a falling out btw laf and hockey canada during his wjc gold year. what exactly that's about, whether that was laf or his family/reps, whether their issue was with hc as a whole or the staff of that tourney, and whether that's been resolved since idno. just something i've heard that may be a factor in the future. as an rfa this year it didn't matter
But had no issues with the kids on the Islanders Flyers and Predators. The Caps don't have much kids and the ones they do have are not that good. He coached. 20 year old Forsberg, 19 year Couturier, 24 year old Richard's and Carter, a young Wayne Simmonds and a young Giroux and Voracek, young Josi and Johansen
LORDE
I am Lorde, YA YA YA
There’s no argument. Laf isn’t 1/1000 of Kreider
Kreider has been elite at times… certainly net front elite. Laf doesn’t have “elite” in his vocabulary
Again, we would ALL sign up right now for Laf to have half of 20’s career because everyone knows where this is heading… some don’t wanna say it because it hurts like hell… but we know.
GENESISPuck94
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Yea this is what gives me a slither of hope with Laviolette. It's always pointed to Washington but the young players there weren't anything close to the quality that Philly, Nashville, and now the Rangers. Even Carolina had young Staal, Williams, and Ladd.
In those spots he had the top young players among the team lead in scoring and were leaned on.
I'm not asking for or expecting the Rangers roster to be filled to the brim with 23 and under drafted players. But we have a 1st overall and a 2nd overall ready to break out, we have Chytil ready for a bigger role, we have Othmann who just nearly willed his team to a Memorial Cup Championship, and Cyulle who is clearly ready.
Lafreniere and Kakko at the least should be cemented in the top 6 and on the PP. Kakko on the PK. That needs to be done.
On defense Jones or Robertson need to be in the lineup. people can poo poo Jones size all they want but he brings something nobody else on the roster does, and that's the transition game. Nevermind his AHL career translated from NCAA flawlessly. He's producing at a consistent rate. He can do it at the NHL level with more than a few games chance.
savebyrichter94
I’m No Longer Here
Props for using totes mcgotes and still sounding so angry haha
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Fairly wild take here.
Next season will be Laf’s D+4, with any luck at all, he will break 50 points.
Kreider’s D+4 he scored 3 points in 23 games…
No, I would not sign up for Chris’ FULL career for Laf, never mind half. I think he will be far better when all is said and done. This is not running down Chris, I’m a fan and I hope he can retire a NYR. Last year, in his D+3, Laf already scored half of Chris’ career best year and played a more consistently physical game.
As I said, this is a wild take.
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If laf is getting powerplay time, id like to see 60-70 points, I think thats easily achievable considering he got almost 40 at ES.
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