This is pretty spot on and I think most people here would be shocked to see the dynamic between NHL coaches and their players.I don't think millionaire sports players are micro-managed to that degree.
I think the consensus is that these guys are professional athletes.
My hockey director here in CO who is this guy ( Allen Pedersen Stats and News and a crazy SOB at that ) says in his time, the organization can go over the tapes with you, push you in a direction that they'd like you to focus on, and even give you goals to achieve. One on one counselings are frequent (but I bet they weren't for the enforcer type Al was), but players are given enough leeway to find their own way. I believe that. If you're getting paid millions should the organization really hand hold you? They don't. This is why there are players that show up to camp fat, out of shape, etc.
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ReddestRum
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I'm against putting the entire blame on the organization when athletes in the NHL as well as other sports better their game on their own time.
The only areas where I believe the Rangers organization is to blame (and you can say it's a big or small one) is our system is not at all catered for the younger, newer generation. Kids are fast, speedy, and want to go, but instead you put them in a dump and chase system. The Rangers have been dump and chase for as long as I've remembered being a fan.
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watching the team dump and change makes me want to vomit
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I don't agree that in other organizations the athletes better their game on their own time without substantial guidance from their clubs.
In the NFL in fact I think almost all improvement is team-directed.
I don't watch a ton of basketball and even less baseball but I think teams have a lot of input in how they want players doing their training as well.
Do the max permitted by the CBA, then if he shows up at 24% body fat -- i.e., "fat" -- send him to Hartford.
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Hughes didn't become a production beast mid-season during team practices. He got better each time the season started going from 21, 31, 56, to 1 point from a 100 point season because he put in the work in the off-season.
Let's take Laf for example.
During the season the organization has practices for line and team cohesion. The system they play gets beat up in their heads all season during practices. One on one conversations come in the form of personal critiques. Positioning, aggressiveness, decision-making, and where you should be at this time in play, and you'll get direction to improve your game in those situations.
However, the reason WHY most NHL players distance themselves from the team in the off-season is because they are able to hire and train with personal coaches and trainers. Players from different teams train can and will usually train together under a coach they trust. For Laf, I'm sure the organization is going to say, in the off-season we want you to work on your skating speed. Maybe he does need to trim some fat. Maybe they want him to work on his strength. If he wants, the organization can provide him with a coach to work on his personal attributes, but more or less, athletes want coaches that are personalized for them. Players don't want the org personalizing their off-season training.
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24% body fat? TF? Is he a pro male athlete or a normal healthy female? God damn, the country club atmosphere is crazy in this locker room.
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Maybe we can hope he can become a Fat Maroon.
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I'm on the minority but I expect a top 3 pick pick to do more then that, I expect to see some visible raw skills.
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bleedblue94
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This does not surprise me if it is true. I have said going back to the Quinn days that this team looks out of shape and tired late in games, especially in reg season ot games.
Usually msg will pimp fitness testing results but rarely have they done that in recent years. If true this is absolutely unacceptable.
And it starts w panarin. He wears a letter, is the highest paid player, and if he is allowed to come to camp in shit shape then why wouldn't the others think it's okay as well. Just more of the country club bullshit that has developed here.
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bleedblue94
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It's not even "instruction" it's standards and about an environment of accountability.
Has anyone here seen strome w his shirt off? He looked like a 6 year old boy and yet he was ALLOWED to be the team's spokesman to speak back publically at Quinn and manage Quinn. The kind of things we are seeing now don't happen in one season, they develop and are allowed to fester and this is why I HATED Turk's hands off approach to the team bc it was the same f***ing thing av did that eventually led to an implosion of standards in the organization.
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I am a Habs fan...I come in peace...sure we would make a trade for Lafrenière:
1. Christian Dvorak and Mike Hoffman
2. Jordan Harris and Jake Evans
3. Riley Kidney and Joel Armia
4. 1st round pick 17th overall( Florida pick...Leafs would need to win series to confirm pick)
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EdJovanovski
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I was calling him a bust, Ed. Then I saw the kids do ok in the playoffs last season, some good efforts this year, but to go AWOL in 7 games - yeeeesh.
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I'm just confused- does he or doesn't he want to earn a shit ton of money in this league?
Because the difference between 10 and 100 million in career earnings is worth a little extra effort.
Because the difference between 10 and 100 million in career earnings is worth a little extra effort.
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Good. Maybe he will be pissed off now, put in the work during the offseason, and show up to camp with some skills.
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Pure speculation, but I wonder if the Kids have gotten the message to “wait their turn” and it’s bled into their personal offseason training approach (specifically, the lack of). If you don’t throw your kids into the deep end, they will never take off their floaties.
This should be pinned to the top of this board. The denial is pathetic.
5 years from now, the “kid line” (it shouldn’t even be called the kid line today, Chytil is in like his f***ing 8th NHL season - it’s patronizing) will string together 3 games where each of them gets a point. This board will go “tHe kiDs aRe alRight” and the narrative will shift back to the Rangers being middle of the road at drafting and developing.
We are by far the worst team in the league at it. Even f***ing Arizona can develop forwards.
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