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If Laf's body fat is actually 24%, he shouldn't even be allowed to play. For a 21-year-old professional athlete that's no-adjective-or-qualifier fat. Mine's 23 and I don't even hit the gym that hard and I'm in my f/in 50s.

And guess what, what a shocker, Laf plays exactly like a guy at his age with shitty fitness would play. Good news is that if he ever gets himself into even average shape, there's probably some room for growth there. If he got himself into the kind of shape the real gamers get themselves into, there might be room for a lot of growth.

Busting at 1OA virtually always involves at least some degree of laziness, lack of drive, and not wanting it enough. So it is with Laf.
 
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Chytilmania said:
Was with a friend last weekend who works with hockey kids and a few NHL players and he did the preseason body fat % testing with the Rangers. Said Laf showed up 24% and was fat. Panarin doesn’t train in the offseason. Fox doesn’t train in the offseason. These guys don’t have the guts to last a full season.
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If this is real it's sickening.

We need a REAL coach that will put these guys through hell in camp.

We need a coach that demands physical readiness.
 
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mas0764 said:
Yeah, newsflash, professional athletes do need to be "forced," (or, in other words, coached) into training correctly. That's why there are coaches. If they didn't need to be told what to do, there wouldn't be the need for coaches.

Lafreniere has been training every offseason since he was 13 too. It's not that he's doing NOTHING in the offseason, he's just not doing the right things or not enough. It's because what he used to do, doesn't work on this level.

He needs direction.

Or needed. It's probably too late to ever reach his max potential now. The development from ages 18-22 is critical.
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Then whatever he is doing is awful lol. You shouldn’t be going into the season 24%. Diet is on YOU. No one else is shoving food down your mouth.
 
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Greschner4 said:
If Laf's body fat is actually 24%, he shouldn't even be allowed to play. For a 21-year-old professional athlete that's no-adjective-or-qualifier fat. Mine's 23 and I don't even hit the gym that hard and I'm in my f/in 50s.

And guess what, what a shocker, Laf plays exactly like a guy at his age with shitty fitness would play. No pop in his legs, only thing he's even average in is the heavy stuff, runs out of gas. Good news is that if he ever gets himself into even average shape, there's probably some room for growth there. If he got himself into the kind of shape the real gamers get themselves into, there might be room for a lot of growth.

Busting at 1OA virtually always involves at least some degree of laziness, lack of drive, and not wanting it enough. So it is with Laf.
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Guyute said:
Trading Laf while his value is lowest coming off 0 points in a full 7 game series is the Ranger way
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It's the stupidest, therefore it's what we will do.

We don't trade players who it's clear we need to trade when their value is high (DeAngelo, Kreider). We trade players who could extract bounties for peanuts (Buchnevich).

I'm sure it's what we'll do with Laf too.
 
News flash: many pro athletes don’t have the slightest clue about nutrition and got here on god given skill. In order to reach full potential and have longevity they need a solid training and nutrition plan. However, even given all the resources in the world there are some guys who do not give two shits. Unless you put a weight clause in their contract then I don’t know how they can police this.
 
Chytilmania said:
Then whatever he is doing is awful lol. You shouldn’t be going into the season 24%. Diet is on YOU. No one else is shoving food down your mouth.
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Yeah, no disagreement that you shouldn't be entering the season 24% fat, if that's the case then it's unacceptable and needs to change.

I just don't put all the onus on the player as if he's the only one responsible for this mess. Nor am I under the delusion that he happens to be lazier than all the other self-starters out there on the GOOD teams.

This is a problem that is endemic to us. No doubt Lafreniere isn't working hard enough, but it's because of something rotten in the org, on some level.

Like, I don't buy that Matt Tkachuk and Tim Stutzle and Trevor Zegras and Elias Pettersson and Nico Hishier are ALL just better disciplined. Certainly some players are workout warriors and fitness freaks and maybe Laf isn't, but all those guys are and he's the only one who isn't?

No. They are just getting better instruction. If Laf was the laziest of all these guys he never would have gotten this far.
 
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mas0764 said:
Yeah, no disagreement, if that's the case then it's unacceptable and needs to change.

I just don't put all the onus on the player as if he's the only one responsible for this mess. Nor am I under the delusion that he happens to be lazier than all the other self-starters out there on the GOOD teams.

This is a problem that is endemic to us. No doubt Lafreniere isn't working hard enough, but it's because of something rotten in the org.
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Something is rotten in the org, there was no system and when your players are out of shape trying to get by on talent alone then you have a recipe for underachieving. It’s definitely all of these areas, but hey if these guys wanted to be great they would without getting pushed. Kreider can’t force guys to spend thousands on training and work their asses off no matter how good of a leader he is. This is something the organization should be screening for.
 
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Seems to happen to us quite a bit Lias, Kravtsov, Lafreniere, Kakko as #2 is producing more like a 2nd rounder. I think it is because our AHL development program sucks as well as coaches we hire are wrong ones they are either in the win now mode because they need that Cup or win to prove yourself as a rookie coach because they are a bit too old to be a rookie coach so they don't have time to start with a losing record. And none of the coaches we get have any system to speak of.
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I believe 100 percent the fact we have literally zero development in Hartford plus the lack of patience to go along with it in the organization (Plus some fans) does not help. I hope that changes a bit in Hartford.
 
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Somebody in the organization, even the coach, should be texting Laf every other day in the summer getting on his shit about his weight and his body fat.

Make him lose the fat if for no other reason that he gets so sick of you that he doesn't want to have to hear from you anymore. That's a perfectly valid form of management -- works all the time.
 
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McRanger92 said:
It's all fun and games until Drury trades Lafreniere for Conor Garland or Josh Anderson. I'd love to see the reactions here when that happens, because its 10x more likely outcome than us trading him for another draft pick
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The only saving grace to an Anderson trade would be watching Lafreniere try and exist in Montreal
 
Greschner4 said:
Somebody in the organization, even the coach, should be texting Laf every other day in the summer getting on his shit about his weight and his body fat.

Make him lose the fat if for no other reason that he gets so sick of you that he doesn't want to have to hear from you anymore. That's a perfectly valid form of management -- works all the time.
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f*** texting him. Show up at his house and drag his ass to the facility, where he is forced to endure the oversight of professional nutritionists and skills coaches for ten hours a day.
 
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mas0764 said:
f*** texting him. Show up at his house and drag his ass to the facility, where he is forced to endure the oversight of professional nutritionists and skills coaches for ten hours a day.
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There's rules in the CBA that prohibits this type of stuff. Team's don't have as much sway as you think.
 
GENESISPuck94 said:
Yes it's on the player 100% but it's also on the leadership on the team and the organization to make sure these guys are doing what they need to do.
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Absolutely. I’m the choir criticizing Laf, but Gallant basically admitted to not really coaching the team. How do you expect these players to get better when there’s no real direction?

We went from one coach with no clue, to another with no structure.
 
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GENESISPuck94 said:
Yes it's on the player 100% but it's also on the leadership on the team and the organization to make sure these guys are doing what they need to do.
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I don't think millionaire sports players are micro-managed to that degree. :)

I think the consensus is that these guys are professional athletes.

My hockey director here in CO who is this guy ( Allen Pedersen Stats and News and a crazy SOB at that ) says in his time, the organization can go over the tapes with you, push you in a direction that they'd like you to focus on, and even give you goals to achieve. One on one counselings are frequent (but I bet they weren't for the enforcer type Al was), but players are given enough leeway to find their own way. I believe that. If you're getting paid millions should the organization really hand hold you? They don't. This is why there are players that show up to camp fat, out of shape, etc.
 
ReddestRum said:
I don't think millionaire sports players are micro-managed to that degree. :)

I think the consensus is that these guys are professional athletes.

My hockey director here in CO who is this guy ( Allen Pedersen Stats and News and a crazy SOB at that ) says in his time, the organization can go over the tapes with you, push you in a direction that they'd like you to focus on, and even give you goals to achieve. One on one counselings are frequent (but I bet they weren't for the enforcer type Al was), but players are given enough leeway to find their own way. I believe that. If you're getting paid millions should the organization really hand hold you? They don't. This is why there are players that show up to camp fat, out of shape, etc.
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And there are always bad eggs or misguided players, but all the Rangers kids aren't doing things the right way apparently? Don't buy it.
 
Pawnee Rangers said:
There's rules in the CBA that prohibits this type of stuff. Team's don't have as much sway as you think.
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the cba? more like a violation of human rights.

they probably practice this stuff in certain regions in europe and asia but in north america that would cause massive outrage.
 
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