Player Discussion Alexis Lafrenière

[LORDE]

for reference, zibanejad was drafted 6th overall and his age 21 season had a whopping 46 points

you point to his shot and its great and the fact that he is elite at things, which is awesome

but he just played a 7 game series as one of the leaders of this team and had 1 f***ing goal.....1 goal

he had the same opportunity as laf in the first 10 seconds of the game and didnt use that elite shot of his

again did laf suck this playoffs? yes. did our top offensive stars also suck just as much? yes

I agree but Z has bought himself time on this team. I remember him being a good get because we hoped he would break out and he did.

He's got tools though, his size, skating, intelligence, passing and aforementioned shot.

Laf has nothing... no toolbox to develop for which we could HOPE for a breakout.

I'm not giving Z a pass. I'm as upset with him as the rest. I put pass in quotes for a reason.

Is Z someone I wanna see go? No probably not because we know what he's capable of.

Do I wanna see Laf go?

You bet. Because we know what he's NOT capable of.

 

[Chytilmania]

I thought Fox's face looked a little round in the pressbox before the season began. It's like the 70's for some guys in Rangersland using the preseason to get into shape between cigarettes, instead of coming in at peak condition and working on skating and timing instead like I'm sure Kreider, Zbad and Miller probably do. Fox has slowed down at the end of the season a few times now, sometimes injuries or whatever, but coming in to camp out of shape aint helping matters.

Kreider and Mika train together over the summer. Miller does mostly skating, I’m sure some weights, but not as committed as he was before he got into the league.

Sure this is he said she said but you guys see the product on the ice. Whatever they are doing isn’t helping much. But I do know for a fact as soon as Fox got the Norris he hasn’t set foot in a gym.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Was with a friend last weekend who works with hockey kids and a few NHL players and he did the preseason body fat % testing with the Rangers. Said Laf showed up 24% and was fat. Panarin doesn’t train in the offseason. Fox doesn’t train in the offseason. These guys don’t have the guts to last a full season.

If this is true its pathetic. We need a coach that demands fitness sadly he coaches for the Hurricanes

 

[duhmetreE]

Was with a friend last weekend who works with hockey kids and a few NHL players and he did the preseason body fat % testing with the Rangers. Said Laf showed up 24% and was fat. Panarin doesn’t train in the offseason. Fox doesn’t train in the offseason. These guys don’t have the guts to last a full season.

I believe it... I mean it's evident in their play.

No one wants to put in the extra work. Just happy to be here.

Panarin smoking cigarettes and living a lavish life.
Fox content with looking like he's skating with a diaper full of shit while pulling a boat.
Laffy eating doritos and playing CoD.

 

[mas0764]

It's all fun and games until Drury trades Lafreniere for Conor Garland or Josh Anderson. I'd love to see the reactions here when that happens, because its 10x more likely outcome than us trading him for another draft pick

Well we shouldn't do that.

 

[nevesis]

he does have skills but they are not 1st overall level, but he is not an elite player. We should have traded down or taken Byfield. We needed a Center not another LW.

Every single fan would have gone ape shit if they didn't choose him 1st overall. He was the consensus amongst everyone.

He's a bust. It happens.

 

[mas0764]

Was with a friend last weekend who works with hockey kids and a few NHL players and he did the preseason body fat % testing with the Rangers. Said Laf showed up 24% and was fat. Panarin doesn’t train in the offseason. Fox doesn’t train in the offseason. These guys don’t have the guts to last a full season.

This is what happens when you adopt the "NHL isn't a developmental league," attitude.

Get involved with your players and get them trained and taught the way you need them to be.

 

[McRanger92]

Well we shouldn't do that.

Im ready to drink the Kool-aid Mas. It's time to empower the Kids because the vets can't get it done. Trading any of them would be a bad move.

 

[Chytilmania]

I believe it... I mean it's evident in their play.

No one wants to put in the extra work. Just happy to be here.

Panarin smoking cigarettes and living a lavish life.
Fox content with looking like he's skating with a diaper full of shit while pulling a boat.
Laffy eating doritos and playing CoD.

Fox is training with Prentiss after 2021 season. Fox wins Norris June 21st-ish and goes away with his boys for 4th of July. Chytilmania shows up for internship July 12 and hears Fox will not be returning this summer.

 

[duhmetreE]

How is this org so bad at helping young players develop.

All the money in the world. They all should have video coaches. Personal trainers. Strength coaches. Nutritionists. Chefs. Sports psychologist. etc etc.

Absolutely mind boggling. Laffy is fat. Kravtsov was a bean pole. Kakko hates himself.

 

[mas0764]

Im ready to drink the Kool-aid Mas. It's time to empower the Kids because the vets can't get it done. Trading any of them would be a bad move.

You might as well suck with the kids and then get more kids until you find your Jack Hughes.

Yeah, correct, the Panarin-Zibanejad-Kreider-Trouba core isn't good enough. It pales in comparison to Cup winning cores like Kane-Toews, Crosby-Malkin, Ovechkin-Kuznetzov, Stamkos-Kucherov, etc.

We aren't good enough and haven't been good enough. That's why I've been saying without "the kids," becoming stars fast, we're f***ed. We have to win by having three high end scoring lines because we don't have that one or two players who can't be stopped.

We need more talent and aren't going to be able to acquire it before Kreider, Panarin, etc, lose effectiveness. Trade them now and go back to the lottery.

How is this org so bad at helping young players develop.

All the money in the world. They all should have video coaches. Personal trainers. Strength coaches. Nutritionists. Chefs. Sports psychologist. etc etc.

Absolutely mind boggling. Laffy is fat. Kravtsov was a bean pole. Kakko hates himself.

Duh, the NHL isn't a developmental league.

It's on the players to develop themselves, etc, etc, etc.

 

[McRanger92]

You might as well suck with the kids and then get more kids until you find your Jack Hughes.

Yeah, correct, the Panarin-Zibanejad-Kreider-Trouba core isn't good enough. It pales in comparison to Cup winning cores like Kane-Toews, Crosby-Malkin, Ovechkin-Kuznetzov, Stamkos-Kucherov, etc.

I wont be as militant about it as you haha. On a related note, I'd rather have Othmann/Cuylle on the team next year than Kane or Tarasenko

 

[mas0764]

I wont be as militant about it as you haha. On a related note, I'd rather have Othmann/Cuylle on the team next year than Kane or Tarasenko

At this point, yeah, let's go with cheap youth. Kane and Tarasenko didn't move the needle.

Wish we hadn't given up a first and a second for 7 meaningful games from them.

 

[bl02]

How is this org so bad at helping young players develop.

All the money in the world. They all should have video coaches. Personal trainers. Strength coaches. Nutritionists. Chefs. Sports psychologist. etc etc.

Absolutely mind boggling. Laffy is fat. Kravtsov was a bean pole. Kakko hates himself.

Maybe that is the problem? They probably have all of the above. Too many amenities and comforts. Maybe it's time for some Rocky IV type training in the mountains in siberia or some shit like that lol

 

[duhmetreE]

The best player in the history of the game puts in overtime work in the offseason to better himself.

We need that Black Mamba mind set…. Aka winners mindset.

This team just doesn’t have it

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Every single fan would have gone ape shit if they didn't choose him 1st overall. He was the consensus amongst everyone.

He's a bust. It happens.

Seems to happen to us quite a bit Lias, Kravtsov, Lafreniere, Kakko as #2 is producing more like a 2nd rounder. I think it is because our AHL development program sucks as well as coaches we hire are wrong ones they are either in the win now mode because they need that Cup or win to prove yourself as a rookie coach because they are a bit too old to be a rookie coach so they don't have time to start with a losing record. And none of the coaches we get have any system to speak of.

 

[Chytilmania]

How is this org so bad at helping young players develop.

All the money in the world. They all should have video coaches. Personal trainers. Strength coaches. Nutritionists. Chefs. Sports psychologist. etc etc.

Absolutely mind boggling. Laffy is fat. Kravtsov was a bean pole. Kakko hates himself.

They have access to one of the best in the world but they don’t/can’t force the players to do anything. Not every 1OA pick has work ethic like Crosby or Stamkos. f***, even the college guys who are lifetime AHL talents would work hard and make fun of Fox for quitting.

 

[romba]

Fox is training with Prentiss after 2021 season. Fox wins Norris June 21st-ish and goes away with his boys for 4th of July. Chytilmania shows up for internship July 12 and hears Fox will not be returning this summer.

Some guys (Crosby, McDavid) just have that drive to constantly improve themselves and get better and don't have time for side shows. Always focused on diet, training, practicing etc. Then when their skills and body start diminishing they work on other areas to compensate for that. Others are content being as good as they currently are, and want to enjoy life, it's good enough for them.

 

[BroadwayBlues]

Rangers got hosed. Kid had no business being the consensus 1OA pick. Not a single elite skill.

 

[mas0764]

Again, I just don't buy that we happen to have drafted and acquired all the laziest players in the league.

Crosby and Stamkos have work ethic, no doubt, but they've been f***ing led in that direction. They didn't just come into the league knowing how to work the hardest and most efficient of anyone else.

Coaching and development matters and we don't do it effectively here.

This desire some of you have to deflect well deserved blame from the organization for it's decades-long failures is baffling. It couldn't be more obvious the organization has a problem developing it's (specifically offensive) talent.

No, we just drafted 4 lazy busts in a row and also signed 3 lazy free agents who don't want to work to massive contracts. How did they get to this level if they are so lazy?

Guys, there is one common denominator. It's not that Laf doesn't have the skill to be an impact first line forward. Despite his slowness, he does, or did, coming into the league.

He hasn't improved. That's the problem.

 

[Chytilmania]

Some guys (Crosby, McDavid) just have that drive to constantly improve themselves and get better and don't have time for side shows. Always focused on diet, training, practicing etc. Then when their skills and body start diminishing they work on other areas to compensate for that. Others are content being as good as they currently are, and want to enjoy life, it's good enough for them.

There’s Panarin for you.

There’s a reason why Tom Brady, on paper one of the least talented football players, is the greatest of all time.

Again, I just don't buy that we happen to have drafted and acquired all the laziest players in the league.

Crosby and Stamkos have work ethic, no doubt, but they've been f***ing led in that direction. They didn't just come into the league knowing how to work the hardest and most efficient of anyone else.

Coaching and development matters and we don't do it effectively here.

This desire some of you have to deflect well deserved blame from the organization for it's decades-long failures is baffling. It couldn't be more obvious the organization has a problem developing it's (specifically offensive) talent.

Zegras has been training every offseason since 13 years old. No matter if he was in Winnipeg or Florida he would show up for an offseason program. Maybe this is something scouts need to dig deeper into. Do these guys take care of themselves or do they need to be forced to eat right and train right?

 

[romba]

Fox content with looking like he's skating with a diaper full of shit while pulling a boat.

lmao

 

[McRanger92]

At this point, yeah, let's go with cheap youth. Kane and Tarasenko didn't move the needle.

Wish we hadn't given up a first and a second for 7 meaningful games from them.

I was ok with those moves when they were made and still am now. We didnt gut the farm for them. It's unfortunate that Gallant & the players treated them like saviors when they were meant to be complimentary pieces. We gave it a shot, but now its time to reframe the objective a bit

 

[mas0764]

Zegras has been training every offseason since 13 years old. No matter if he was in Winnipeg or Florida he would show up for an offseason program. Maybe this is something scouts need to dig deeper into. Do these guys take care of themselves or do they need to be forced to eat right and train right?

Yeah, newsflash, professional athletes do need to be "forced," (or, in other words, coached) into training correctly. That's why there are coaches. If they didn't need to be told what to do, there wouldn't be the need for coaches.

Lafreniere has been training every offseason since he was 13 too. It's not that he's doing NOTHING in the offseason, he's just not doing the right things or not enough. It's because what he used to do, doesn't work on this level.

He needs direction.

Or needed. It's probably too late to ever reach his max potential now. The development from ages 18-22 is critical.

 

[Chytilmania]

Again, I just don't buy that we happen to have drafted and acquired all the laziest players in the league.

Crosby and Stamkos have work ethic, no doubt, but they've been f***ing led in that direction. They didn't just come into the league knowing how to work the hardest and most efficient of anyone else.

Coaching and development matters and we don't do it effectively here.

This desire some of you have to deflect well deserved blame from the organization for it's decades-long failures is baffling. It couldn't be more obvious the organization has a problem developing it's (specifically offensive) talent.

No, we just drafted 4 lazy busts in a row and also signed 3 lazy free agents who don't want to work to massive contracts. How did they get to this level if they are so lazy?

Guys, there is one common denominator. It's not that Laf doesn't have the skill to be an impact first line forward. Despite his slowness, he does, or did, coming into the league.

He hasn't improved. That's the problem.

I don’t disagree but I think there is also a difference when you have sugar-Nazi Nate MacKinnon as your captain and 20% fat Trouba as your captain.